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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 14:12:51 GMT
I'm watching Iron Man 3 and it's such a good movie!!!! The whole idea of him losing the suit and having to rely on his wits and realizing that he didn't always used to be Iron Man and before any of that he was always a beyond genius "mechanic" was such a phenomenal way to go with the story.
But then that damn Mandarin twist. Dammit. UGH! That twist will ALWAYS define that movie to some people and it really really sucks.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 26, 2019 14:19:45 GMT
Yep. I can't even rewatch it. That's how bad the twist is. It has ruined the movie for me forever.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 14:24:00 GMT
Yep. I can't even rewatch it. That's how bad the twist is. It has ruined the movie for me forever. It just sucks so much because the rest of the movie was going so damned well!!! The relationship he had with the kid with him being so unsympathetic and hilarious which is so the opposite of how that usually goes in a movie. Tony having to fight the bad guys without his suit but just using his genius exactly how he did in the cave in the first movie. Even after the twist with the scene where he saves the passengers from the plane was so awesome.
But that stupid effing Trevor Slattery nonsense UGH!!!! Way to ruin such a perfect concept for an Iron Man film!!
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 14:38:21 GMT
And the twist basically revealing "Hey guess what? Iron Man has another CEO villain. Cool."
Get rid of Aldrich Killian and make Ben Kingsley's Mandarin the legit villain and it would be one of the best MCU films.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 26, 2019 14:45:49 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly. It takes IM3 down from becoming one of their best sequels and makes it a merely fun one.
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Post by sostie on Oct 26, 2019 15:02:39 GMT
Personally, I loved it
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Post by James on Oct 26, 2019 15:03:19 GMT
Yeah the movie could’ve been a lot better without it. That being said, I’m not as pissed off about it now as I was back then.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 15:05:04 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly. It takes IM3 down from becoming one of their best sequels and makes it a merely fun one. That's exactly it. It makes Iron Man 3 turn from a Winter Soldier to maybe an Age of Ultron. An entertaining sequel that doesn't add much value to the franchise. Something you enjoy but isn't that great.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 15:06:50 GMT
I totally respect that and I get why some people enjoy it, especially with the fortune cookie analogy. But it totally disappoints me. I'm not even sure if it's the fact that the Mandarin was fake or the fact that they gave Tony another CEO villain.. but either way I'm not a fan of that part of the movie.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 26, 2019 15:07:54 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly. It takes IM3 down from becoming one of their best sequels and makes it a merely fun one. Yeah totally entertaining, which most of them are, but such a huge loss. Never thought I'd say it but Adolf's got a point...(I hope to Christ that summers8 uses this for some bullshit thread)
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Post by hobowar on Oct 26, 2019 17:04:35 GMT
I know I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I think that twist is probably the single greatest thing about the entire genre. Killian is arguably the best villain in the franchise, also.
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Post by merh on Oct 26, 2019 17:12:38 GMT
I'm watching Iron Man 3 and it's such a good movie!!!! The whole idea of him losing the suit and having to rely on his wits and realizing that he didn't always used to be Iron Man and before any of that he was always a beyond genius "mechanic" was such a phenomenal way to go with the story.
But then that damn Mandarin twist. Dammit. UGH! That twist will ALWAYS define that movie to some people and it really really sucks.
But they revealed there is a real mandarin whi is not happy with the identity theft. Isn't he being used in one of the series?
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 17:27:09 GMT
I'm watching Iron Man 3 and it's such a good movie!!!! The whole idea of him losing the suit and having to rely on his wits and realizing that he didn't always used to be Iron Man and before any of that he was always a beyond genius "mechanic" was such a phenomenal way to go with the story.
But then that damn Mandarin twist. Dammit. UGH! That twist will ALWAYS define that movie to some people and it really really sucks.
But they revealed there is a real mandarin whi is not happy with the identity theft. Isn't he being used in one of the series? YES! He's totally about to be used in the film for Shang-Chi which I am totally stoked for. Personally I just feel like it was a huge missed opportunity for Tony Stark to face something else beyond another CEO. Again... I'm saying it's a really good film.. until that point in my personal opinion.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 26, 2019 20:30:42 GMT
I agree. Sometimes, a villain can make or break a movie. I understand Shane Black was highlighting that people think of terrorists as foreigners when they can actually be average people like you and me, but instead we get another run-of-the-mill CEO villain. I would have settled for a politically correct but somewhat faithful rendition of the Mandarin.
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2019 21:30:14 GMT
It was a terrible idea. They even did a short movie where they tried for rectify it by saying there was an actual for real for real Mandarin out there but who knows if they'll actually do anything with that or not.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 26, 2019 22:48:11 GMT
I'm watching Iron Man 3 and it's such a good movie!!!! The whole idea of him losing the suit and having to rely on his wits and realizing that he didn't always used to be Iron Man and before any of that he was always a beyond genius "mechanic" was such a phenomenal way to go with the story.
But then that damn Mandarin twist. Dammit. UGH! That twist will ALWAYS define that movie to some people and it really really sucks.
I can't figure out how that scene ever got approved. Did no-one in the editing room see that and raised an alarm that most fans would probably hate this scene?
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 23:07:32 GMT
Sir Ben Kingsley looked like a Clown in this movie
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Post by hobowar on Oct 26, 2019 23:33:09 GMT
Sir Ben Kingsley looked like a Clown in this movie What did Heath Ledger look like in that other comic book movie?
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 0:29:32 GMT
I'm watching Iron Man 3 and it's such a good movie!!!! The whole idea of him losing the suit and having to rely on his wits and realizing that he didn't always used to be Iron Man and before any of that he was always a beyond genius "mechanic" was such a phenomenal way to go with the story.
But then that damn Mandarin twist. Dammit. UGH! That twist will ALWAYS define that movie to some people and it really really sucks.
I would argue it's not the twist but the follow through which sucks, if they had as interesting a true villain as Trevor made The Mandarin appear that twist would have been the cherry on top of the sundae for this film, it was the fact Killian was just so bland and pathetic a character to get into, oh he's become a global terrorist because 15 years ago Tony left him standing on top of a fucking roof? dear god almighty.
It was such a letdown because we had a top tier villain or so we thought and it got pissed away for a mid tier one, had their been a strong villain to fill the void left by the Trevor reveal then it would have worked imo.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 0:34:18 GMT
But they revealed there is a real mandarin whi is not happy with the identity theft. Isn't he being used in one of the series? YES! He's totally about to be used in the film for Shang-Chi which I am totally stoked for. Personally I just feel like it was a huge missed opportunity for Tony Stark to face something else beyond another CEO. Again... I'm saying it's a really good film.. until that point in my personal opinion.
Well in IM2 he wasn't facing another CEO, Justin Hammer was essentially a goofball lackey to Mickey Rourke's character which I have forgotten what his name is, but then the original plan was for the chick to be the "real" Mandarin but Perlmutter put the kiybosh onto that because he's a sexist fuck knuckle, but if they did that it's just a repeat of IM2 really, evil CEO is used as a puppet and bankroll for evil genius with personal vendetta against Tony, then again Tony solving her lifes work half cut in seconds then shagging her in a meaningless romp is a little more tangible reason for going kaka than being left standing on a roof all night, so there would be that atleast.
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