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Post by alfromni on Apr 24, 2020 13:58:59 GMT
I'm having serious doubts. Can't say why, but it doesn't entirely gel with me. I really thought it had been solved...and it could yet prove to be Percival... but...
The closest style to fit the movie is Al Bowlly with the Ray Noble Orchestra, but none of the three Sleuth songs were recorded by them. I certainly think this is what is being emulated on the movie, but by who or whom?
Even in the 70's old records could be re-recorded on tape and edited.
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Post by jervistetch on Apr 24, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
Alfromni is reminding me of Columbo. Something just keeps nagging at him about this case. Love it.  And speaking of Columbo, does anyone remember an episode where ... |
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Post by alfromni on Apr 24, 2020 18:02:57 GMT
jervistetch - Hey! Where'd he get my mack from?! Betcha he stole my cheroots too!
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Post by alfromni on Apr 24, 2020 19:08:48 GMT
Salzmank , jervistetch There's something in the back of my mind that says I know that voice, and it's not Al Bowlly, similar, but more recent. 50s, even early 60s perhaps. Just can't pin a name on it.
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 24, 2020 21:08:38 GMT
I'm having serious doubts. Can't say why, but it doesn't entirely gel with me. I really thought it had been solved...and it could yet prove to be Percival... but... The closest style to fit the movie is Al Bowlly with the Ray Noble Orchestra, but none of the three Sleuth songs were recorded by them. I certainly think this is what is being emulated on the movie, but by who or whom? Even in the 70's old records could be re-recorded on tape and edited. Interesting. For better or worse, I still think Percival’s our man, and I think it’s telling how (if he is) he wasn’t credited in either movie. (Not sure when people found out Percival was the singer, though I’d bet it’s because BR has a bigger fan base than Sleuth. But he’s not listed as singer in BR’s credits or on IMDb.)
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Post by alfromni on Apr 24, 2020 22:17:43 GMT
A recent earllier contender was David Kernan (aka Hitch from Zulu). I think I can put him out to grass. He's more operatically minded. He sure doesn't look comfortable singing (or rather swinging) "Anything goes". Also he has a different accent to the Sleuth singer, quite a pronounced difference. For example, compare the words ""stocking" and "shocking". ------------------ Harry Nilsson has been another contender. The artiste's timeline certainly fits. Nilsson recorded a concert sans audience in 1971 at the BBC Television Theatre (now the Shepherd's Bush Empire). www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0rOOdjQUIUIn the 70s he resided off and on at a London (Mayfair) two bedroom apartment owned by Ringo Starr and interior designer Robin Cruikshank. As he was well-versed in dubbing techniques he can't be entirely ruled out, but I personally think that performing Cole Porter music, particularly fronting a big band, was neither his style, nor his type of repertoire. In my humble opinion he also distinctly lacked swingability. He was a block-chord pianist of the Elton John variety, which does not lend itself easily to big band swing. Hartstone said he thought Nilsson was the Sleuth singer albeit not sure, and it has been pointed out that this may have been a conflation of memories, a point on which I can't disagree. ------------------- Incidentally Salzmank --- did you ever receive any more news from James D'Arc ? And another query...can we be sure that each of the Sleuth songs were sung by the same person? |
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Post by alfromni on Apr 25, 2020 18:51:47 GMT
One of the most famous quotes of Sherlock Holmes is... “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth” Sherlock Holmes was never on a Sleuth Singer Search. A how many pipe problem? |
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Post by Salzmank on May 28, 2020 1:55:52 GMT
Incidentally Salzmank --- did you ever receive any more news from James D'Arc ? And another query...can we be sure that each of the Sleuth songs were sung by the same person? My apologies for never responding to this. My last message from D’Arc said that he’d search for any information just because he was vaguely interested but that, if he didn’t respond again, that would be because he didn’t find anything. And he never responded again. I guess we can’t be 100% positive that the same person sings all the songs, but it seems by far the most likely scenario to me.
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Post by teleadm on Aug 1, 2020 23:21:55 GMT
Just peeking in to see developments to mystery, since it looked promising some time ago.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 2, 2020 5:58:58 GMT
Just peeking in to see developments to mystery, since it looked promising some time ago. and here I thought that the solution had been found when the thread popped up ... again !  |
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Post by Salzmank on Aug 7, 2020 21:17:26 GMT
Just peeking in to see developments to mystery, since it looked promising some time ago. Nothing new, though I still think the singer’s Don Percival. I really do.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Nov 18, 2021 19:25:18 GMT
The title of this somehow seems appropriate to this thread Salzmank |
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Post by Salzmank on Nov 18, 2021 21:24:46 GMT
The title of this somehow seems appropriate to this thread Salzmank Sleuth -singer sleuths!Such a great, fun Kern tune. (My favorite rendition, by the way, is Rebecca Luker and Brent Barrett’s, to an uptempo John McGlinn arrangement.) But, like the characters who sing the song, we will find the answer to the question we ask! We will! One day…
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Post by alpineflower on Nov 19, 2021 2:45:29 GMT
Nice version
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Post by Salzmank on Jun 8, 2022 20:42:31 GMT
A podcast recently did an episode on the Sleuth singer: They paid BFI to track down a cool-looking cue sheet for the songs—which doesn’t, of course, have the singer’s name on it. But someone asked me something that got me thinking: I can’t remember why we ruled out Olivier as a possible singer. Doghouse6, you offered that possibility way back in 2017; I said at the time that “his singing voice sounds nothing like the Sleuth singer’s,” but I just watched this clip and while the voices aren’t identical, they’re not ridiculously different. (Of course Olivier’s doing an accent in The Entertainer. And with Olivier’s general penchant for accents…) |
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Post by jervistetch on Jun 8, 2022 21:28:00 GMT
Another sample of Larry crooning.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 9, 2022 2:17:45 GMT
A podcast recently did an episode on the Sleuth singer: They paid BFI to track down a cool-looking cue sheet for the songs—which doesn’t, of course, have the singer’s name on it. But someone asked me something that got me thinking: I can’t remember why we ruled out Olivier as a possible singer. Doghouse6 , you offered that possibility way back in 2017; I said at the time that “his singing voice sounds nothing like the Sleuth singer’s,” but I just watched this clip and while the voices aren’t identical, they’re not ridiculously different. (Of course Olivier’s doing an accent in The Entertainer. And with Olivier’s general penchant for accents…) My first reaction to this was, "I did? What an idiotic idea." Delving back into the thread, I felt a bit better seeing that it was posed only as idle curiosity about the question ever coming up: Consulting your clip from The Entertainer and jervistetch's from The Beggar's Opera, I'm satisfied that you were on the beam back in '17 about any such possibility. Although he serviceably carried a tune, there simply wasn't the vocal precision, tonal flexibility or breath control evident in the Mystery Singer's recordings. I listened to some of the podcast in your link, and it struck me to be as much a tribute to your persistence and dedication as it was about the mystery at hand (you even got name-checked and quoted). They could as easily have titled it "Salzmank's Quest" as "Sleuth Songs." Who knows? Another half-century hence, internet users (or whatever they'll be using in its place) may be investigating, "Who was Salzmank?"
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Post by Salzmank on Jun 9, 2022 2:36:27 GMT
Thanks as ever for the kind words, Doghouse6. I guess that’s out; the idea did just pop into my mind. As for the podcast, I emailed back and forth with one of the hosts for a while and gave him some info. Oof, I hope no one in a half century starts investigating who was Salzmank—and I hope I’m still around to tell them!  |
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Post by jervistetch on Jun 9, 2022 3:30:10 GMT
“Salzmank”  |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 9, 2022 4:26:24 GMT
I hope no one in a half century starts investigating who was Salzmank—and I hope I’m still around to tell them!  If that's your hope for 50 years from now, it's mine as well. I've no such expectations for myself (except, perhaps, that of some notoriety for being 119 years old). But'cha know what? 5+ years into this saga, I suspect we've already had more fun from the speculations and dead-end leads than we might ever get from finally knowing the answer. And that ain't chopped liver.
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