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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 5:09:19 GMT
I'm not sure that JL isn't the least anticipated highly anticipated movie ever. Just compare it to the hype around Avengers when that first came out, and the hype that is now around a film like Guardians which was a major risk the first time around, and Thor which many will argue is the least successful (if there is such a thing) set of films in the MCU. And yet, both have more hype than Justice League, a film people only seem to want to see out of obligation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 5:30:27 GMT
I thought the trailer was okay, but there just wasn't enough Martha.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 18, 2017 5:53:45 GMT
I'm not sure that JL isn't the least anticipated anticipated movie ever. Just compare it to the hype around Avengers when that first came out, and the hype that is now around a film like Guardians which was a major risk the first time around, and Thor which many will argue is the least successful (if there is such a thing) set of films in the MCU. And yet, both have more hype than Justice League, a film people only seem obligated to see at best. The hype machine will rev up exponentially as we draw closer to the release. I sincerely hope that this film will serve as the redemption of the DCEU. I hope it does better than the Avengers truth be told. I think a decisive win, both critically and financial, for the DCEU will help lower the levels of toxicity between the two rival fandoms. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 6:04:28 GMT
I'm not sure that JL isn't the least anticipated anticipated movie ever. Just compare it to the hype around Avengers when that first came out, and the hype that is now around a film like Guardians which was a major risk the first time around, and Thor which many will argue is the least successful (if there is such a thing) set of films in the MCU. And yet, both have more hype than Justice League, a film people only seem obligated to see at best. The hype machine will rev up exponentially as we draw closer to the release. I sincerely hope that this film will serve as the redemption of the DCEU. I hope it does better than the Avengers truth be told. I think a decisive win, both critically and financial, for the DCEU will help lower the levels of toxicity between the two rival fandoms. SaveSaveSaveSaveHonestly, I would prefer a full reboot completely free of Snyder's nihilism and pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. No original franchise sin to have to make up for, no brooding permanently frowning Superman, no murderous Batman, no apathetic Wonder Woman, no insipid Tourette Syndrome laden Lex Luthor, no Martha, no Jared Leto being the worst Joker ever, and no black-on-black color schemes. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 18, 2017 6:40:15 GMT
The hype machine will rev up exponentially as we draw closer to the release. I sincerely hope that this film will serve as the redemption of the DCEU. I hope it does better than the Avengers truth be told. I think a decisive win, both critically and financial, for the DCEU will help lower the levels of toxicity between the two rival fandoms. SaveSaveSaveSaveHonestly, I would prefer a full reboot completely free of Snyder's nihilism and pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. No original franchise sin to have to make up for, no brooding permanently frowning Superman, no murderous Batman, no apathetic Wonder Woman, no insipid Tourette Syndrome laden Lex Luthor, no Martha, no Jared Leto being the worst Joker ever, and no black-on-black color schemes. Snyder took Nolan to an illogical extreme. For better or worst the two of them have shaped the popular zeitgeist for so-called credible superhero movies. A reboot would get off-the-charts backlash from fanboys. It would be seen as cowardly - a complete retreat from established dogma. They have to stay the course and FIX this broken vision of super-heroics. They have to show the world that a hero can revel in his gifts and not resort to being aloof and inscrutable in the pursuit of justice. They have to show fans that the external world and the people in it are more important than the past traumas and psycho dramas playing out in their heroes heads. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 18, 2017 14:23:50 GMT
The hype machine will rev up exponentially as we draw closer to the release. I sincerely hope that this film will serve as the redemption of the DCEU. I hope it does better than the Avengers truth be told. I think a decisive win, both critically and financial, for the DCEU will help lower the levels of toxicity between the two rival fandoms. SaveSaveSaveSaveHonestly, I would prefer a full reboot completely free of Snyder's nihilism and pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. No original franchise sin to have to make up for, no brooding permanently frowning Superman, no murderous Batman, no apathetic Wonder Woman, no insipid Tourette Syndrome laden Lex Luthor, no Martha, no Jared Leto being the worst Joker ever, and no black-on-black color schemes. Amen to that. A reboot and a recast is in order for virtually the entire DCEU. Gadot's Wonder Woman was used sparingly in BvS but I liked what I saw. Her movie looks great so far, but trailers can be deceiving. Call me a fool but I'm still hoping for the best, despite the fact that the previous three entries in the DCEU have been terrible. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 15:12:08 GMT
The hype machine will rev up exponentially as we draw closer to the release. I sincerely hope that this film will serve as the redemption of the DCEU. I hope it does better than the Avengers truth be told. I think a decisive win, both critically and financial, for the DCEU will help lower the levels of toxicity between the two rival fandoms. SaveSaveSaveSaveI'm not sure the hype machine can rev up, at least not as much as it could have. Only the die hards will be really excited, everybody else has low expectations based on what has come before and there is a ceiling to how hyped they will get at this point.
Also, it's not going to beat Avengers by a decisive margin, if it comes close to beating it at all. How could it possibly get a decisive critical win when the Avengers was so popular it allowed Marvel to completely dominate Hollywood and gave them the capital to start taking risks like Guardians, Ant Man, Dr. Strange, etc.
Now, I agree that if they can put together a solid film, people will relax and DC might be back on track, but it's going to take more than one good film or even two for people to trust them ever again. As of now, they don't.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 18, 2017 15:24:25 GMT
The hype machine will rev up exponentially as we draw closer to the release. I sincerely hope that this film will serve as the redemption of the DCEU. I hope it does better than the Avengers truth be told. I think a decisive win, both critically and financial, for the DCEU will help lower the levels of toxicity between the two rival fandoms. SaveSaveSaveSaveI'm not sure the hype machine can rev up, at least not as much as it could have. Only the die hards will be really excited, everybody else has low expectations based on what has come before and there is a ceiling to how hyped they will get at this point.
Also, it's not going to beat Avengers by a decisive margin, if it comes close to beating it at all. How could it possibly get a decisive critical win when the Avengers was so popular it allowed Marvel to completely dominate Hollywood and gave them the capital to start taking risks like Guardians, Ant Man, Dr. Strange, etc.
Now, I agree that if they can put together a solid film, people will relax and DC might be back on track, but it's going to take more than one good film or even two for people to trust them ever again. As of now, they don't.
The bottom line is they screwed the pooch with BvS. Not only was it a terrible movie, it never should have happened in the first place. Start your cinematic universe with the JL coming together! JL being the first time Batman, Supes and WW come together on screen in a fun romp (as JL appears to be) would absolutely destroy the box office. Instead DC/WB shot their wad early for no reason, throwing a bunch of comic book plots lines into a blender and ruining the cinematic reputation of the two protagonists before the extended universe even took off. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 15:32:10 GMT
The bottom line is they screwed the pooch with BvS. Not only was it a terrible movie, it never should have happened in the first place. Start your cinematic universe with the JL coming together! JL being the first time Batman, Supes and WW come together on screen in a fun romp (as JL appears to be) would absolutely destroy the box office. Instead DC/WB shot their wad early for no reason, throwing a bunch of comic book plots lines into a blender and ruining the cinematic reputation of the two protagonists before the extended universe even took off. Well they came together in BVS and it didn't destroy the box office. Unless you're saying these not too interesting versions of flash and cyborg would somehow have doubled that,
BUT YES, I agree that a great film would have done much better.
And I agree that they shot their wad in BVS such that JL doesn't feel all that special since half of them are already together. They also shot their wad on Superman's death since we know full well he's coming back. It meant absolutely nothing. A complete waste.
And so many things have been terrible from Lex, to Tornadocide, to Destruction Porn, to Martha. Their scenes are so bad they have names.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 18, 2017 15:38:47 GMT
The bottom line is they screwed the pooch with BvS. Not only was it a terrible movie, it never should have happened in the first place. Start your cinematic universe with the JL coming together! JL being the first time Batman, Supes and WW come together on screen in a fun romp (as JL appears to be) would absolutely destroy the box office. Instead DC/WB shot their wad early for no reason, throwing a bunch of comic book plots lines into a blender and ruining the cinematic reputation of the two protagonists before the extended universe even took off. Well they came together in BVS and it didn't destroy the box office. Unless you're saying these not too interesting versions of flash and cyborg would somehow have doubled that,
BUT YES, I agree that a great film would have done much better.
And I agree that they shot their wad in BVS such that JL doesn't feel all that special since half of them are already together. They also shot their wad on Superman's death since we know full well he's coming back. It meant absolutely nothing. A complete waste.
And so many things have been terrible from Lex, to Tornadocide, to Destruction Porn, to Martha. Their scenes are so bad they have names.
That was my point about BvS, it didn't destroy the box office (actually, it did in its first weekend; Then everyone saw how awful it was and ran the other way) because it was a bad movie. If these iconic characters had come together for the first time, as an uneasy alliance of compelling heroes with perhaps conflicting ideologies, you'd have something. Instead you had a lunatic vs. a stiff with a babbling imbecile pulling the strings. Just imagine the hype surrounding JL if it were the first cinematic pairing of Batman and Superman, with Wonder Woman and the Flash to boot. That movie rakes. |
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Post by havenless on Apr 18, 2017 16:10:35 GMT
Justice League won't make more or less money based on what marvel is doing. They'll make exactly what they deserve based on solely what THEY'RE doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:36:12 GMT
Honestly, I would prefer a full reboot completely free of Snyder's nihilism and pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. No original franchise sin to have to make up for, no brooding permanently frowning Superman, no murderous Batman, no apathetic Wonder Woman, no insipid Tourette Syndrome laden Lex Luthor, no Martha, no Jared Leto being the worst Joker ever, and no black-on-black color schemes. Snyder took Nolan to an illogical extreme. For better or worst the two of them have shaped the popular zeitgeist for so-called credible superhero movies. A reboot would get off-the-charts backlash from fanboys. It would be seen as cowardly - a complete retreat from established dogma. They have to stay the course and FIX this broken vision of super-heroics. They have to show the world that a hero can revel in his gifts and not resort to being aloof and inscrutable in the pursuit of justice. They have to show fans that the external world and the people in it are more important than the past traumas and psycho dramas playing out in their heroes heads. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveAnd I have absolutely no faith they CAN fix this broken vision of super-heroics. They've already failed at everything you described in your last paragraph. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:39:15 GMT
Honestly, I would prefer a full reboot completely free of Snyder's nihilism and pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. No original franchise sin to have to make up for, no brooding permanently frowning Superman, no murderous Batman, no apathetic Wonder Woman, no insipid Tourette Syndrome laden Lex Luthor, no Martha, no Jared Leto being the worst Joker ever, and no black-on-black color schemes. Amen to that. A reboot and a recast is in order for virtually the entire DCEU. Gadot's Wonder Woman was used sparingly in BvS but I liked what I saw. Her movie looks great so far, but trailers can be deceiving. Call me a fool but I'm still hoping for the best, despite the fact that the previous three entries in the DCEU have been terrible. Exactly. It's not a matter of cowardice. It's a matter of having an unfixable cinematic universe. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 18, 2017 17:40:20 GMT
Honestly, I would prefer a full reboot completely free of Snyder's nihilism and pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. No original franchise sin to have to make up for, no brooding permanently frowning Superman, no murderous Batman, no apathetic Wonder Woman, no insipid Tourette Syndrome laden Lex Luthor, no Martha, no Jared Leto being the worst Joker ever, and no black-on-black color schemes. A reboot would get off-the-charts backlash from fanboys. It would be seen as cowardly - a complete retreat from established dogma. They have to stay the course and FIX this broken vision of super-heroics. They have to show the world that a hero can revel in his gifts and not resort to being aloof and inscrutable in the pursuit of justice. They have to show fans that the external world and the people in it are more important than the past traumas and psycho dramas playing out in their heroes heads. Not if they do it right. I was kinda against it because X-men did it, but they need to do a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie. Make the current series of movies the "bad" Earth or Injustice types. Then bring in the same actors as versions of the characters closer to how they should be. Hell, even bring in a 3rd group of actual bad versions fashioned after the Crime Syndicate of America (Ultraman and such). When the dust settles we are left with the good versions living in a world that's not all black and gray. I'd get behind that type of reboot. As an added bonus cameo the tv characters like Arrow, Gustin Flash, Supergirl and Black Lightning to show the other Earths. |
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