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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 23, 2019 21:43:45 GMT
Superman is the very definition of might makes right. He's like a one man nuclear deterrent. Actually, Superman proves the opposite, which is what makes Superman a true superhero and MCU Captain America not a hero at all. Yes, Superman is the most powerful person on the planet. And as the most powerful person on the planet, he could easily rule over the planet and choose to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted without answering to anyone. But as powerful as Superman is, he chooses to surrender himself to the US Army and let them handcuff him and he voluntarily appears before a Congressional committee even though they had no power to force him to. Because Superman respects the authority of the people and Superman believes that no matter how powerful a superhero may be, they still need to answer to the people. By contrast, Captain America believes that his Might gives him the Right to do whatever he wants whenever he wants without answering to anyone and Captain America doesn't respect the authority of the people, which is why he A) refuses to sign the Accords which would allow the people to have more oversight of the Avengers after a team of Avengers, led by Captain AMerica himself, reckless caused the deaths of many civilians and B) refuses to bring Bucky in for a trial because he doesn't believe in the justice system that the people set up and doesn't believe in the people to make the right and just verdict. In the miniseries John Adams, when Abigail Adams was told that George Washington would not seek reelection after his 2nd term and would step down as POTUS, she was shocked and said "He could be President for life." Back then, there was nothing in the US Constitution that limited POTUS to 2 terms and there was no precedent nor expectation for a POTUS to step down after 2 terms and hand over power to the next POTUS. Washington could've been POTUS for life but chose to not be like a King. Superman could easily rule the planet but he chooses not to rule the planet and instead chooses to respect the authority of the people and answer to the people. That's why Superman is and always will be the greatest superhero of all while Captain America isn't a real superhero but just a selfish asshole who wants to be a tyrant.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Nov 23, 2019 22:04:08 GMT
I knew DC-Fan was a hardcore MCU fan! I knew it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:55:52 GMT
Superman is the very definition of might makes right. He's like a one man nuclear deterrent. Actually, Superman proves the opposite, which is what makes Superman a true superhero and MCU Captain America not a hero at all. But he is a nuclear deterrent. Whenever Superman is out of commission, the bugs come out to see what they can get away with. Superman's presence doesn't deter all crime, but it discourages a lot of crime, lest they take their chances with being stopped by Superman.
The superhero genre is replete with wish fulfillment characters. They all do it by choice, or else the most realistic superhero story ever told would be Superman watching TV.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2019 1:01:14 GMT
I'm not asking them to be portrayed at their max capacities, I'm just asking them to be more consistent at the portrayal... or at the very least don't do something too extremely contradictory. For example, you have Spiderman completely stomping Falcon and Bucky but losing decidedly against Cap when we know Bucky can fight Cap almost to a stand still. We're shown Thor unlocking his powers and not being dependent on a weapon then the very next movie he's dependent on a weapon again. Ironman on his own gave a 4-stone Thanos a far better fight than IM, Cap and Thor were able to give a stoneless Thanos. Etc. As for the women: BW, Carol, Gamora, Sif, Valkyrie and Wasp all fall under the tough, badass chick with a sassy attitude stereotype. All of them have a bit of humor but are stoic for the most part. All of them are tough and extremely capable but show a bit of tenderness here and there. And I will disagree with you, in that I do think they can be interchanged with each other with some tweaks to powerset and maybe a slight tweak to personality. It's not a big change in personality, more like a difference between your normal day and a day when you woke up slightly grumpier than usual. Thor knew he needed something more than lightning to defeat Thanos. Stormbreaker does more than Mjolnir ever did. He wasn't dependent on a weapon in general, but he needed firepower if he was going to take on a guy wielding infinity stones. Yeah Thanos was all over the place though, it really sticks out if you watch both films in a short time. Tony, Spidey and Star-Lord all have the same personality if you use broad generalizations like you did with the women. I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm saying it goes both ways. Thor eventually morphed into that same personality. Drax isn't entirely different from Hulk. They should mix up their character traits in the next go round so every group doesn't have the same character dynamic and power structure. I recently started watching the movies in chronological order (at Thor 2) and noticed some things. 1: The movies aren't as comedic as people would like to think.* And 2: Thor has always been like how he is in Ragnarok. The difference, really, is that Taika changed the world around him. Which is like the world in Guardians of the Galaxy.
*Probably because I know how ultimately tragic it is.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2019 1:20:00 GMT
Unless they're agents of the law, they're all vigilantes. As films and comics try to get more gritty, they leave behind the notion these characters were meant to be simple avatars for good and evil. I don't see how your argument doesn't apply to all superheroes.
My point is about MCU's so-called "heroes" being selfish assholes who put their own agenda ahead of innocent lives (for example, Bruce Banner going to the university during the day when there were plenty of civilians around and then refusing to surrender peacefully before he turned into Hulk and put many civilian lives at risk) and who think that they don't have to answer to anyone (for example, Steve Rogers thinking that the Avengers, under his command, can just blow up a bunch of civilians while chasing Crossbones and not have to be held or agree to oversight for his team). That doesn't apply to all superheroes. For example, unlike Banner (who put his own agenda of not getting captured ahead of the lives of many civilians), Superman was willing to surrender himself to the custody of the US Army, knowing that they would in turn surrender him over to Zod, to prevent Zod from carrying out his threat to punish the people of Earth if they didn't hand over Kal-El. Moreover, Superman was willing to appear before a Congressional committee when summoned to even though they didn't have the power to make him appear because unlike Steve Rogers, Superman believes that all heroes no matter how powerful they are still need to answer to the people. Hulk is not a hero.
Crossbones blew up a bunch of civilians. Wanda tried and failed to mitigate the explosion.
Ross wanted to use Banner as a weapon. He wasn't going to let the government use him as one. That's one of the reasons why he was finding a cure. The same goes for Rogers. He didn't want the Avengers to be the governments personal hit squad that tell them where to go and when. I mean, did the Justice League get permission to go into Russia before stopping Steppenwulf? Did they ask for permission to go into STAR Labs to revive Superman? Did they ask for permission to dig up Clark's grave? What about Cyborg blowing up the tunnels under Gotham Harbor? Did they answer for that? Batman led Doomsday into a warehouse district. Did he get permission to level that area? Did Superman get permission to level Metropolis before he fought Zod?
Clark could have gone straight to Zod. He went to the government because they kidnapped Lois. Black Widow and Tony Stark both went to hearings. Hell, Stark went to more than one.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2019 1:30:33 GMT
I think Killian was driven to become the man that Tony Stark was at the start of Iron Man 1. Tony meeting him probably wouldn't have made a difference to him wanting to make biological weapons in the wake of the battle of New York, and for Tony's PTSD, I think that was more about him coming to terms with the world changing around him and remembering that the Iron Man suit isn't what his real power is. "Why don't you just build something?" - HarleyYeah, he was pretty much trying to replace Tony. He even started hitting on Pepper like he's always had a crush on her (which wasn't shown in the flashback). Even saying he's taking her as his trophy.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2019 2:20:52 GMT
Crossbones blew up a bunch of civilians. Wanda tried and failed to mitigate the explosion. Crossbones set off the bomb only because he was surrounded by the Avengers and forced to resort to desperate measures. If the Avengers wanted to mitigate the explosion, then they shouldn't have been so reckless to chase Crossbones through a crowded market during the day and force Crossbones to set off a bomb in a busy market. The FBI knew John Dillinger was in that movie theater in Chicago. If the FBI had been reckless like the Avengers and just rushed in with guns blazing, many innocent people could've been killed. The FBI did the right thing and waited for the show to end and people to leave the theater and then surrounded Dillinger after he came out of the theater. The Avengers should've waited until Crossbones wasn't in such a heavy populated area before they moved in. But the Avengers, under Cap's orders, acted recklessly and that's why many innocent people were killed. And that's why oversight of the Avengers was needed. But Cap is so power-hungry that he wanted the Avengers to have unlimited and unchecked authority to do whatever they wanted whenever they wanted so Cap refused to agree to oversight for his team and claimed "The safest hands are our own", which was clearly BULLSHIT since the Avengers' reckless actions, under Cap's orders, just got many innocent people killed and proved that the safest hands are not theirs and that oversight was clearly needed.
When cops act recklessly and innocent people get killed, they're held accountable and procedures are usually enacted to have oversight so it doesn't happen again. But Cap is a tyrant who believes that since the Avengers have the Might, they're Right and should have unlimited and unchecked authority to do whatever they want whenever they want.Ross wanted to use Banner as a weapon. He wasn't going to let the government use him as one. That's one of the reasons why he was finding a cure. And that's no excuse for Banner selfishly going to the university during the day when many civilians are around and putting those many civilians' lives at risk when he could've gont toe the university at night when there were fewer civilians around or even safer just sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data/information he needed. Betty being at the university doesn't out any civilian lives at risk like Banner being at the university does. But Banner was a selfish asshole and put his own agenda ahead of innocent lives, just like many of MCU's other so-called "heroes" often do. He didn't want the Avengers to be the governments personal hit squad that tell them where to go and when. And yet, Rogers wanted to join the US Army and accept a paycheck from the same US government that he doesn't want to take orders from. did the Justice League get permission to go into Russia before stopping Steppenwulf? Did the Justice League recklessly blow up many innocent civilians? Black Widow and Tony Stark both went to hearings. Black Widow went to the hearing just to tell Congress that they can't arrest her because she's an Avenger and the Avengers are more powerful than the government. Basically, Might makes Right, that's the philosophy of the Avengers. They call themselves "Earth's mightiest heroes" and they believe that their Might makes them Right so they can do whatever they want whenever they want without any restrictions or oversight and without being held accountable to the people for their actions. And Stark walked out on a Congressional hearing, after Congress requested that Stark, whose company allowed terrorists to get hold of weapons of mass destruction built by Stark Industries and used to kill US soldiers, turn over the Iron Man suit to the US government to prevent the Iron Man suit from getting into the hands of terrorists the same way that Stark Industries' other weapons of mass destruction got into the hands of terrorists.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2019 5:06:19 GMT
If you dislike MCU movies, this thread is not for you. If you believe DCEU and Fox X-Men movies are generally better than MCU movies, this is not for you either. If you think the MCU is ruining cinema, this is not for you. If majority of the threads you make in this forum are anti-MCU, this thread is definitely not for you. This question is directed for those hardcore MCU fans who think the MCU generally creates the best superhero movies ever. Who feel that the praise the MCU gets is truly deserved. Who thinks that the MCU has completely left DC and Fox superhero movies in the dust (barring a few good ones from those studios). And the question is this: What things irritate you the most about the MCU? What are your most legitimate complaints against the MCU? P.S. - I actually consider myself a hardcore MCU fan, and I will contribute my own answer to this thread in a bit.The most legitimate complaint against MCU is that MCU movies is that MCU Dictator Kevin Feige just has no clue about what being a true superhero is about. Because as I've proven many times, MCU's so-called "heroes" aren't true superheroes but just a bunch of selfish assholes who always put their own agenda ahead of innocent people's lives and who always think that they don't have to answer to the people or be held accountable for their actions because they believe in the paradigm that " Might Makes Right" and since they consider themselves "Earth's mightiest heroes", that gives them the Right to do whatever they want whenever they want without any restrictions or oversight and without having to answer to anyone or be held accountable. Did you even read the OP? This thread is not for you. Unless you're willing to admit that the MCU makes the best superhero movies in general? |
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Post by dazz on Nov 24, 2019 5:11:24 GMT
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2019 15:38:16 GMT
LOL. So, by willfully participating in this thread, DC-Fan has declared himself a hardcore MCU fan. It's not that big of a stretch. After all, the guy has studied, analyzed and talked about MCU movies to a degree that few other MCU fans can match. I mean, the sheer word count that dcfan has dedicated to the MCU must be staggering! And he's provided endless reasons why MCU movies are far superior to their DC counterparts. Take, for example, the argument that MCU superheroes are not your traditional duddly-do-right boy scout superheroes, like the eminently boring and one dimensional Superman. Although his argument frequently runs off the rails into the idiotic, at it's core is a kennel of truth - MCU superheroes are imperfect, they have character flaws, they don't always do the right thing. So, in order to defeat the villain of the day, not only do they have to best the bad guy but they also have to overcome their own mistakes and inner demons. That is compelling drama! That is what people want to see. That explains why the MCU has the highest grossing movie of all time and the only superhero movie to ever be nominated for best picture. dcfan's efforts to portray this obvious feature as a flaw is good for a laugh. Imagine, someone seriously trying to equate the monstrous Hulk with the boy scout Superman. Yeah, neither can I. It's also amusing to see him portray true DC fans as the sort who still play with their superhero action figures, and can't understand (or appreciate) the nuance of the flawed superhero. Only a really rabid hard core MCU fan would spend so much time pretending to be such a DC doofus among all his other MCU friends. So yeah, dcfan - hardcore MCU fan. Believable. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2019 16:30:19 GMT
LOL. So, by willfully participating in this thread, DC-Fan has declared himself a hardcore MCU fan. It's not that big of a stretch. After all, the guy has studied, analyzed and talked about MCU movies to a degree that few other MCU fans can match. I mean, the sheer word count that dcfan has dedicated to the MCU must be staggering! And he's provided endless reasons why MCU movies are far superior to their DC counterparts. Take, for example, the argument that MCU superheroes are not your traditional duddly-do-right boy scout superheroes, like the eminently boring and one dimensional Superman. Although his argument frequently runs of the rails into the idiotic, at it's core is a kennel of truth - MCU superheroes are imperfect, they have character flaws, they don't always do the right thing. So, in order to defeat the villain of the day, not only do they have to best the bad guy but they also have to overcome their own mistakes and inner demons. That is compelling drama! That is what people want to see. That explains why the MCU has the highest gross movie of all time and the only superhero movie to ever be nominated for best picture. dcfan's efforts to portray this obvious feature as a flaw is good for a laugh. Imagine, someone seriously trying to equate the monstrous Hulk with the boy scout Superman. Yeah, neither can I. It's also amusing to see him portray true DC fans as the sort who still play with their superhero action figures, and can't understand (or appreciate) the nuance of the flawed MCU superhero. Only a really rabid hard core MCU fan would spend so much time pretending to be such a DC doofus among all his other MCU friends. So yeah, dcfan - hardcore MCU fan. Believable. Oh... My... God. What if, all this time, we were reading his posts all wrong and they are actually praising the MCU? I mean he did say that DC in his name meant Dallas Cowboys. He's the best of us and we didn't even realize it.
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Post by dazz on Nov 24, 2019 16:53:15 GMT
LOL. So, by willfully participating in this thread, DC-Fan has declared himself a hardcore MCU fan. It's not that big of a stretch. After all, the guy has studied, analyzed and talked about MCU movies to a degree that few other MCU fans can match. I mean, the sheer word count that dcfan has dedicated to the MCU must be staggering! And he's provided endless reasons why MCU movies are far superior to their DC counterparts. Take, for example, the argument that MCU superheroes are not your traditional duddly-do-right boy scout superheroes, like the eminently boring and one dimensional Superman. Although his argument frequently runs of the rails into the idiotic, at it's core is a kennel of truth - MCU superheroes are imperfect, they have character flaws, they don't always do the right thing. So, in order to defeat the villain of the day, not only do they have to best the bad guy but they also have to overcome their own mistakes and inner demons. That is compelling drama! That is what people want to see. That explains why the MCU has the highest gross movie of all time and the only superhero movie to ever be nominated for best picture. dcfan's efforts to portray this obvious feature as a flaw is good for a laugh. Imagine, someone seriously trying to equate the monstrous Hulk with the boy scout Superman. Yeah, neither can I. It's also amusing to see him portray true DC fans as the sort who still play with their superhero action figures, and can't understand (or appreciate) the nuance of the flawed MCU superhero. Only a really rabid hard core MCU fan would spend so much time pretending to be such a DC doofus among all his other MCU friends. So yeah, dcfan - hardcore MCU fan. Believable. Oh... My... God. What if, all this time, we were reading his posts all wrong and they are actually praising the MCU? I mean he did say that DC in his name meant Dallas Cowboys. He's the best of us and we didn't even realize it. And here I thought he just really enjoyed the work of Dick Chibbles...the things you learn.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2019 17:04:23 GMT
Crossbones blew up a bunch of civilians. Wanda tried and failed to mitigate the explosion. Crossbones set off the bomb only because he was surrounded by the Avengers and forced to resort to desperate measures. If the Avengers wanted to mitigate the explosion, then they shouldn't have been so reckless to chase Crossbones through a crowded market during the day and force Crossbones to set off a bomb in a busy market. The FBI knew John Dillinger was in that movie theater in Chicago. If the FBI had been reckless like the Avengers and just rushed in with guns blazing, many innocent people could've been killed. The FBI did the right thing and waited for the show to end and people to leave the theater and then surrounded Dillinger after he came out of the theater. The Avengers should've waited until Crossbones wasn't in such a heavy populated area before they moved in. But the Avengers, under Cap's orders, acted recklessly and that's why many innocent people were killed. And that's why oversight of the Avengers was needed. But Cap is so power-hungry that he wanted the Avengers to have unlimited and unchecked authority to do whatever they wanted whenever they wanted so Cap refused to agree to oversight for his team and claimed "The safest hands are our own", which was clearly BULLSHIT since the Avengers' reckless actions, under Cap's orders, just got many innocent people killed and proved that the safest hands are not theirs and that oversight was clearly needed.
When cops act recklessly and innocent people get killed, they're held accountable and procedures are usually enacted to have oversight so it doesn't happen again. But Cap is a tyrant who believes that since the Avengers have the Might, they're Right and should have unlimited and unchecked authority to do whatever they want whenever they want.Ross wanted to use Banner as a weapon. He wasn't going to let the government use him as one. That's one of the reasons why he was finding a cure. And that's no excuse for Banner selfishly going to the university during the day when many civilians are around and putting those many civilians' lives at risk when he could've gont toe the university at night when there were fewer civilians around or even safer just sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data/information he needed. Betty being at the university doesn't out any civilian lives at risk like Banner being at the university does. But Banner was a selfish asshole and put his own agenda ahead of innocent lives, just like many of MCU's other so-called "heroes" often do. He didn't want the Avengers to be the governments personal hit squad that tell them where to go and when. And yet, Rogers wanted to join the US Army and accept a paycheck from the same US government that he doesn't want to take orders from. did the Justice League get permission to go into Russia before stopping Steppenwulf? Did the Justice League recklessly blow up many innocent civilians? Black Widow and Tony Stark both went to hearings. Black Widow went to the hearing just to tell Congress that they can't arrest her because she's an Avenger and the Avengers are more powerful than the government. Basically, Might makes Right, that's the philosophy of the Avengers. They call themselves "Earth's mightiest heroes" and they believe that their Might makes them Right so they can do whatever they want whenever they want without any restrictions or oversight and without being held accountable to the people for their actions. And Stark walked out on a Congressional hearing, after Congress requested that Stark, whose company allowed terrorists to get hold of weapons of mass destruction built by Stark Industries and used to kill US soldiers, turn over the Iron Man suit to the US government to prevent the Iron Man suit from getting into the hands of terrorists the same way that Stark Industries' other weapons of mass destruction got into the hands of terrorists. Wait... Never mind. You making it sound like Crossbones is some honorable guy that set off a suicide bomb in a crowded market because he was surrounded just blew my mind. Wow.
You mean going to a library, minding his own business, when he is attacked? You do know there are actually more students at a college library at night, right? You do know he will not change into the Hulk unless he is provoked, right?
You mean the little guy that hated bullies. The one that, after he woke up 70 years later saw what the government was and decided he'd rather save lives without that government? Meaning he will not get a pay check from them? From Civil War: "If I see a situation pointed south, I can't ignore it. Sometimes I wish I could," said Rogers. "No you don't," replied Stark. Rogers smiles to himself and looks at Stark. "No, I don't." This was Cap even in First Avenger when he went off to save the 107th.
Did the Avengers recklessly blow up many innocent civilians? Crossbones was dead and the blame had to go somewhere. The Justice League blew up the tunnels under the Gotham Harbor killing nobody knows how many workers that was down there.
Black Widow did the exact opposite. She told them that they needed them because they are the best qualified to save the planet. She then said that if they wanted to arrest them then arrest them. "You know where to find us." Stark called them "Earth's mightiest heroes" when stalling Loki.
Stark's hearing was over. So he left. No one stopped him. And it was Obadiah Stain that was selling to terrorists. And Stark did turn over an Iron Man suit to the government. By giving it to Rhodey. He had to make a show of resisting because it's who he is. Fury even pointed it out to him when he said "Whoa whoa whoa. What? Nah. He took it? You're Iron Man and he just took it? The little brother walked in there and kicked your ass and took your suit?" To Black Widow, "Is that possible?" (loving that I have Disney+ and can just go to any of these movies now) Oh and the one suit that the government had was stolen from their government agent (Rhodey) and used to kidnap the President. So... Not seeing how it would be a good idea from the government to get their hands on Stark tech. Also, the man wanting him to turn over the suit was a Hydra agent... So Stark was right not to turn over his suit.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2019 17:17:44 GMT
LOL. So, by willfully participating in this thread, DC-Fan has declared himself a hardcore MCU fan. It's not that big of a stretch. After all, the guy has studied, analyzed and talked about MCU movies to a degree that few other MCU fans can match. I mean, the sheer word count that dcfan has dedicated to the MCU must be staggering! And he's provided endless reasons why MCU movies are far superior to their DC counterparts. Take, for example, the argument that MCU superheroes are not your traditional duddly-do-right boy scout superheroes, like the eminently boring and one dimensional Superman. Although his argument frequently runs of the rails into the idiotic, at it's core is a kennel of truth - MCU superheroes are imperfect, they have character flaws, they don't always do the right thing. So, in order to defeat the villain of the day, not only do they have to best the bad guy but they also have to overcome their own mistakes and inner demons. That is compelling drama! That is what people want to see. That explains why the MCU has the highest gross movie of all time and the only superhero movie to ever be nominated for best picture. dcfan's efforts to portray this obvious feature as a flaw is good for a laugh. Imagine, someone seriously trying to equate the monstrous Hulk with the boy scout Superman. Yeah, neither can I. It's also amusing to see him portray true DC fans as the sort who still play with their superhero action figures, and can't understand (or appreciate) the nuance of the flawed MCU superhero. Only a really rabid hard core MCU fan would spend so much time pretending to be such a DC doofus among all his other MCU friends. So yeah, dcfan - hardcore MCU fan. Believable. Oh... My... God. What if, all this time, we were reading his posts all wrong and they are actually praising the MCU? I mean he did say that DC in his name meant Dallas Cowboys. He's the best of us and we didn't even realize it. Over in the Sports board it is often wondered if he is really a true Dallas Cowboys fan, since all he talks about is Tom Brady and the Patriots. A similar thing occurs over there. He constantly posts these ridiculous anti-Patriots screeds, bereft of facts and reason ... which usually proves the exact opposite to what he intends. It's got to the point where I think everyone* over there now acknowledges that Brady and Belichick are the GOATs of their respective professions, and the Patriots 20 year domination of the NFL is a once in a lifetime achievement. dcfan's failed arguments surely had a hand in that. That degree of "success" can't be accidental, unintended, or simple due to profound stupidity. The only reasonable conclusion is - dcfan must also be a closet hardcore Patriots fan! * Even fans of rival teams.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2019 17:28:44 GMT
Oh... My... God. What if, all this time, we were reading his posts all wrong and they are actually praising the MCU? I mean he did say that DC in his name meant Dallas Cowboys. He's the best of us and we didn't even realize it. Over in the Sports board it is often wondered if he is really a true Dallas Cowboys fan, since all he talks about is Tom Brady and the Patriots. A similar thing occurs over there. He constantly posts these ridiculous anti-Patriots screeds, bereft of facts and reason ... which usually proves the exact opposite to what he intends. It's got to the point where I think everyone* over there now acknowledges that Brady and Belichick are the GOATs of their respective professions, and the Patriots 20 year domination of the NFL is a once in a lifetime achievement. dcfan's failed arguments surely had a hand in that. That degree of "success" can't be accidental, unintended, or simple due to profound stupidity. The only reasonable conclusion is - dcfan must also be a closet hardcore Patriots fan! * Even fans of rival teams. Maybe he is so much a super fan of whatever he claims to hate, that he is trying to get everyone else to love them as much as he does. By showing how much he hates the stuff he forces everyone to defend it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 24, 2019 17:38:32 GMT
Leave it to DC-Fan to take an interesting topic and turn it into a mess.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2019 17:51:07 GMT
You making it sound like Crossbones is some honorable guy that set off a suicide bomb in a crowded market because he was surrounded just blew my mind. No one said Crossbones was an honorable guy. But when Crossbones ran into the crowded market, Crossbones' goal wasn't to set off a suicide bomb and kill innocent people. Crossbones' goal was simply to get away from the Avengers and elude capture. It was only when the Avengers had Crossbones surrounded with nowhere to run that Crossbones felt he had no choice but to set off the bomb rather than be captured. It's similar to the example of the FBI not rushing into the crowded theater to arrest Dillinger. Dillinger wasn't an honorable guy. But Dillinger didn't go to the theater with the goal to shoot and kill people. Dillinger simply went to the theater to watch a show. If the FBI had rushed into the theater with guns drawn, Dillinger probably would've drawn his gun as well and a gunfight would ensue that innocent people in the crowded theater could've been killed. That would've been reckless of the FBI. So the FBI did the right thing and waited for the show to end and people to leave the theater and then surrounded Dillinger when Dillinger came out of the theater. No innocent people were killed. That's how the Avengers should've done it. The Avengers recklessly chased after Crossbones, which made Crossbones feel that he had no choice but to set off the bomb rather than be captured. That's what got many innocent people killed and that's why the oversight of the Avengers was needed. You do know he will not change into the Hulk unless he is provoked, right? So you're basically trying to blame others for Banner's selfish and reckless choice to go to the university and put many civilian lives at risk. That's like blaming a rape victim for getting raped by a serial rapist because the rape victim wore a dress that was too sexy. "It's not the serial rapist's fault. It's the victim's fault for provoking the serial rapist by wearing a dress that was too sexy." Or blaming a Las Vegas casino because a guy with a gambling addiction walked into the casino and lost all his money. If a guy has a gambling addiction, it's his responsibility (not the casino's responsibility) to get some therapy or help for his addiction. Likewise, Banner knows that he could turn into Hulk and endanger civilian lives so it's Banner's responsibility to stay away from populated areas so that civilian live aren't put at risk. But Banner was a selfish asshole who put his own agenda ahead of innocent lives. Did the Avengers recklessly blow up many innocent civilians? Yes, the Avengers' reckless actions in chasing Crossbones through a crowded market resulted in many innocent civilians getting blown up who wouldn't have been blown up if not for the Avengers' reckless actions. The Justice League blew up the tunnels under the Gotham Harbor killing nobody knows how many workers that was down there. Did you actually see any workers down there? It was at night. Unless it was an emergency that needed to be fixed immediately, why the hell would there be workers down there at night?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2019 17:52:43 GMT
That degree of "success" can't be accidental No one says it was accidental. As the whole world now knows, it was due to cheating.
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Post by sostie on Nov 24, 2019 18:33:22 GMT
If you dislike MCU movies, this thread is not for you. If you believe DCEU and Fox X-Men movies are generally better than MCU movies, this is not for you either. If you think the MCU is ruining cinema, this is not for you. If majority of the threads you make in this forum are anti-MCU, this thread is definitely not for you. This question is directed for those hardcore MCU fans who think the MCU generally creates the best superhero movies ever. Who feel that the praise the MCU gets is truly deserved. Who thinks that the MCU has completely left DC and Fox superhero movies in the dust (barring a few good ones from those studios). And the question is this: What things irritate you the most about the MCU? What are your most legitimate complaints against the MCU? P.S. - I actually consider myself a hardcore MCU fan, and I will contribute my own answer to this thread in a bit. The most legitimate complaint against MCU is that MCU movies is that MCU Dictator Kevin Feige just has no clue about what being a true superhero is about. Because as I've proven many times, MCU's so-called "heroes" aren't true superheroes but just a bunch of selfish assholes who always put their own agenda ahead of innocent people's lives and who always think that they don't have to answer to the people or be held accountable for their actions because they believe in the paradigm that " Might Makes Right" and since they consider themselves "Earth's mightiest heroes", that gives them the Right to do whatever they want whenever they want without any restrictions or oversight and without having to answer to anyone or be held accountable. You missed the bit in red. Why bother. To tellus the same crap over and over? To remind us you exist? No need for the latter...I have bowel movements that do that for me.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2019 18:40:01 GMT
That degree of "success" can't be accidental No one says it was accidental. As the whole world now knows, it was due to cheating. The hardcore Patriots fan speaks! Excellent job, BTW, of portraying a Dallas Cowboys fan who is so illiterate that he doesn't even know what "success" I was referring to. ... Though, I'd tone the stupidity down just a tad ... you don't want to make it too obvious. Shhh ...I was referring to your success at convincing everyone how totally awesome the Patriots and Tom Brady are, by continuously losing arguments to the contrary. Like I said, that degree of success can't be accidental, unintended or the result of profound stupidity. So, how many Tom Brady jerseys do you own?
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