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Post by Morgana on Nov 26, 2019 13:08:53 GMT
While I don't think I fall into the 'hardcore MCU fan' base, I do love most Marvel films. I don't like how they keep lightening up the films instead of making them R rated. I hate what they did to Thor. Joking is okay, in a film like Deadpool, but they have taken it too far now, in my opinion, by adding too much of it into what should be more serious films. Why? None of the characters who have appeared in MCU so far don't exactly warrant an R-rating. That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:27:51 GMT
Why? None of the characters who have appeared in MCU so far don't exactly warrant an R-rating. That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. I really liked Joker. What I find though is the characters are hit and miss in their adaptation. The MCU did a pretty good job at making it plausible these characters could exist in the real world but not going too deep into "this could really happen".
Batman and Batman adjacent material is the easiest to adapt to live action. It's dark (not gritty, I mean literally a largely dark color scheme) and he's human. Batman's world can be adapted to live action without a king's ransom in special effects.
The contrast with him and characters like Thor is his world is so colorful and he so powerful it's difficult to play out on screen in a serious tone. I like the first two Thor movies but being too serious with material that isn't serious risks being pretentious. Thor Ragnarok was the lightening up his character and world needed.
I'd say it's the same with Superman. The first two Christopher Reeves movies were great, but it was under the pretense of being cheesy fun. It probably stretched the limit of what can be done with Superman onscreen without being a cartoon because cartoons and comics are where their offensive capabilities really shine.
The 3 Thor movies there are (in my opinion) are the experiment that disproves the thesis. The first two with the more serious tone were good, but the third with the less serious tone is a standout film. It's all but the evidence Thor works better in a more lively, animated universe than a dark and somber one.
I really thought Joker was excellent, and it benefits precisely from its premise. Joker's just a man, from our planet, with no powers. When you think about it, it's less a limitation and more an opportunity. Almost anything that could go wrong goes wrong in Gotham.
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Post by dazz on Nov 26, 2019 21:10:37 GMT
Why? None of the characters who have appeared in MCU so far don't exactly warrant an R-rating. That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. Pretty sure the violence and type of humour used also added to that rating.
Also Deadpool wasn't a serious film either, it was a whacky comedy about a foul mouthed unkillable love sick professional killer...also the MPAA are such prudes the pegging scene alone probably earned them an R rating regardless
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 26, 2019 22:40:53 GMT
Why? None of the characters who have appeared in MCU so far don't exactly warrant an R-rating. That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. Problem is, the Joker character is way way easier to turn into that format than someone like Thor. You could do it with the Punisher, Daredevil, maybe even someone like Winter Soldier. But once you get to the more outrageous heroic characters that Joker formula is just not going to work. In fact, we've never seen it work to that kind of success.
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Post by Morgana on Nov 27, 2019 8:51:47 GMT
That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. Problem is, the Joker character is way way easier to turn into that format than someone like Thor. You could do it with the Punisher, Daredevil, maybe even someone like Winter Soldier. But once you get to the more outrageous heroic characters that Joker formula is just not going to work. In fact, we've never seen it work to that kind of success. Perhaps my referencing Joker was a mistake as you are right and I can see how a character like that would be far easier to make a dark film about than most MCU characters would be. The MCU films that work best with humour in them (and that I have no problem with) are: Iron Man, Spiderman, Deadpool, GotG, and I have no problem with humour being in ALL MCU films, but only to a certain extent. Thor is just one of those characters that I don't see as being one to be taken humorously. In my opinion, too much humour prevents a film, and therefore us, from taking the film seriously. I know I'm in the minority here, but I didn't like the third film because it didn't take itself seriously. That's it in a nutshell: I want more of the MCU films to take themselves seriously.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 27, 2019 8:59:06 GMT
That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. Problem is, the Joker character is way way easier to turn into that format than someone like Thor. You could do it with the Punisher, Daredevil, maybe even someone like Winter Soldier. But once you get to the more outrageous heroic characters that Joker formula is just not going to work. In fact, we've never seen it work to that kind of success. Case in point, Fant4stic.
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Post by Morgana on Nov 27, 2019 9:02:50 GMT
That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. I really liked Joker. What I find though is the characters are hit and miss in their adaptation. The MCU did a pretty good job at making it plausible these characters could exist in the real world but not going too deep into "this could really happen".
Batman and Batman adjacent material is the easiest to adapt to live action. It's dark (not gritty, I mean literally a largely dark color scheme) and he's human. Batman's world can be adapted to live action without a king's ransom in special effects.
The contrast with him and characters like Thor is his world is so colorful and he so powerful it's difficult to play out on screen in a serious tone. I like the first two Thor movies but being too serious with material that isn't serious risks being pretentious. Thor Ragnarok was the lightening up his character and world needed.
I'd say it's the same with Superman. The first two Christopher Reeves movies were great, but it was under the pretense of being cheesy fun. It probably stretched the limit of what can be done with Superman onscreen without being a cartoon because cartoons and comics are where their offensive capabilities really shine.
The 3 Thor movies there are (in my opinion) are the experiment that disproves the thesis. The first two with the more serious tone were good, but the third with the less serious tone is a standout film. It's all but the evidence Thor works better in a more lively, animated universe than a dark and somber one.
I really thought Joker was excellent, and it benefits precisely from its premise. Joker's just a man, from our planet, with no powers. When you think about it, it's less a limitation and more an opportunity. Almost anything that could go wrong goes wrong in Gotham.
I agree with you on that and about Batman. I've always preferred MCU characters to those of DC, and I particularly don't like Superman. When you make a character that is basically all-powerful, it can become ridiculous. I do see your point about Thor, but I still didn't like the third film. I do think that overall, Thor should be a character and Asgard a world, that takes itself seriously. Some humour is okay in all films, but I feel like I've been pulled out of the universe that has been created around a character if the film becomes too humorous.
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Post by Morgana on Nov 27, 2019 9:05:08 GMT
That's my point. The only reason Deadpool got an R rating was because of the foul language, not really it's content. Have you seen The Joker? It's one of the best films I've seen in a long time, period. I'm not saying I want all MCU films to be like that, or be R-rated, i'm saying I want some of them, like Thor, to be made in a more serious tone. I don't think the jokey tone of the last Thor, and the way they portrayed his character in Endgame, were appropriate to the subject of Norse Gods. Pretty sure the violence and type of humour used also added to that rating.
Also Deadpool wasn't a serious film either, it was a whacky comedy about a foul mouthed unkillable love sick professional killer...also the MPAA are such prudes the pegging scene alone probably earned them an R rating regardless
I like the humour in Deadpool, I think it goes with his character. I'm talking about other characters, like Thor, who have a whole mythology behind them to be used that should be taken seriously. That's my opinion anyway.
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