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Post by drystyx on Feb 18, 2017 20:10:14 GMT
First of all, lets not bicker about the definition of a "soul" or "spirit". For the layman, this does refer to the "meter reader" of the body functions, which is totally unnecessary for evolution or survival. Usually referred to as "spirit", I speak of the "cognitive character experiencing the existence". The nihilist and annihilationist have zero explanations for this entity, because those religions are illogical and proven incorrect in a number of ways.
Now, as for the animal. We certainly get the notion that most animals, particularly mammals, do have "cognitive character experiencing the existence" magically trapped inside them.
We wonder, or most of us do, whether this is natural, whether animals in the wild have this, or whether they inherit this from us.
The notion that this "spirit entity" is divided from one big spirit entity, which is pretty much in most Christian teaching at least, suggests that the divided entity can combine later, after death, with the whole entity.
It's certainly true that during a human existence, the human can change his attitude, and despite the nihilist's flailing blind attempts to explain this biologically and psychologically, the nihilist and annihilationist each fail miserably, but each is deluded into believing otherwise, which in itself proves the existence of demonic forces, though the fools will rarely admit it.
It certainly seems that the cats and dogs, and even other mammals I've known, do have "meter readers". I wonder if I caused them to have these meter readers sometimes. I don't have a strong opinion either way, and want to keep an open mind.
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Post by ChaosMonster on Feb 18, 2017 20:49:00 GMT
Animals don't have souls, they can't get into heaven. But souls that were human can become animal spirits, but they are not the animal.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 19, 2017 18:59:46 GMT
Sure.
Even rocks probably have souls.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 19:27:45 GMT
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Post by Sulla on Feb 19, 2017 23:00:28 GMT
Daniel: "They [Algonquins] have an afterworld of their own."
Father Laforgue: "They have no concept of one."
Daniel: "Annuka told me they believe that in the forest at night the dead can see. The souls of men hunt the souls of animals."
Father Laforgue: "Is that what she told you? It is childish, Daniel."
Daniel: "Is it harder to believe in than Paradise where we all sit on clouds and look at God?"
~ Black Robe ~
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Post by snsurone on Feb 20, 2017 0:54:00 GMT
Of course animals have souls! Even the lowliest paramecium crawling on the ocean floor has a soul! It's probable that even plants have souls, too.
How beautiful Heaven must be with its population of plant and animal souls. As well as the souls of the (too few) righteous humans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 1:27:11 GMT
Animals don't have souls, they can't get into heaven. But souls that were human can become animal spirits, but they are not the animal. Of course animals have souls. Anyone who has been close to an animal knows this. Who says they don't?.
I'll say this, if there are no animals in heaven, then I don't want to go there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 3:45:02 GMT
Sure. Even rocks probably have souls. Are you a panpsychist? link
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 4:26:28 GMT
Animals don't have souls, they can't get into heaven. But souls that were human can become animal spirits, but they are not the animal. βIf there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.β
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Post by drystyx on Jul 10, 2017 1:57:47 GMT
It might be worth noting that the organism can't be the meter reader, or even the entity. The human body, for example, also contains millions of microbes that are organisms. Ants are almost certainly just part of one entity, as they communicate with antennae, with the word "communicate" used loosely by scientists.
Materialists constantly need to change definitions in midstream to cling to their delusions, living in fear of the reality of a world that isn't material. It is a scary concept, but those who aren't afraid to seek truth will not back down from it.
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Post by rizdek on Jul 10, 2017 2:37:13 GMT
First of all, lets not bicker about the definition of a "soul" or "spirit". For the layman, this does refer to the "meter reader" of the body functions, which is totally unnecessary for evolution or survival. Usually referred to as "spirit", I speak of the "cognitive character experiencing the existence". The nihilist and annihilationist have zero explanations for this entity, because those religions are illogical and proven incorrect in a number of ways.
Now, as for the animal. We certainly get the notion that most animals, particularly mammals, do have "cognitive character experiencing the existence" magically trapped inside them.
We wonder, or most of us do, whether this is natural, whether animals in the wild have this, or whether they inherit this from us.
The notion that this "spirit entity" is divided from one big spirit entity, which is pretty much in most Christian teaching at least, suggests that the divided entity can combine later, after death, with the whole entity.
It's certainly true that during a human existence, the human can change his attitude, and despite the nihilist's flailing blind attempts to explain this biologically and psychologically, the nihilist and annihilationist each fail miserably, but each is deluded into believing otherwise, which in itself proves the existence of demonic forces, though the fools will rarely admit it.
It certainly seems that the cats and dogs, and even other mammals I've known, do have "meter readers". I wonder if I caused them to have these meter readers sometimes. I don't have a strong opinion either way, and want to keep an open mind. Why wouldn't having a "meter reader of body functions be of evolutionary advantage. And what Is the explanation for this entity?
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 10, 2017 4:09:31 GMT
drystyx
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Post by drystyx on Jul 10, 2017 19:11:50 GMT
First of all, lets not bicker about the definition of a "soul" or "spirit". For the layman, this does refer to the "meter reader" of the body functions, which is totally unnecessary for evolution or survival. Usually referred to as "spirit", I speak of the "cognitive character experiencing the existence". The nihilist and annihilationist have zero explanations for this entity, because those religions are illogical and proven incorrect in a number of ways.
Now, as for the animal. We certainly get the notion that most animals, particularly mammals, do have "cognitive character experiencing the existence" magically trapped inside them.
We wonder, or most of us do, whether this is natural, whether animals in the wild have this, or whether they inherit this from us.
The notion that this "spirit entity" is divided from one big spirit entity, which is pretty much in most Christian teaching at least, suggests that the divided entity can combine later, after death, with the whole entity.
It's certainly true that during a human existence, the human can change his attitude, and despite the nihilist's flailing blind attempts to explain this biologically and psychologically, the nihilist and annihilationist each fail miserably, but each is deluded into believing otherwise, which in itself proves the existence of demonic forces, though the fools will rarely admit it.
It certainly seems that the cats and dogs, and even other mammals I've known, do have "meter readers". I wonder if I caused them to have these meter readers sometimes. I don't have a strong opinion either way, and want to keep an open mind. Why wouldn't having a "meter reader of body functions be of evolutionary advantage. And what Is the explanation for this entity? It would be a deterrent to both organism and species, as it would impede the quick reflex to do what must be done. The organism that has the reflex to simply fly when the spotted predator appears will fly off first, whereas the one that has the meter reader to input data and decide will be doomed, I estimate over 99% of the time.
No, it's obvious to the objective viewer that the instinct and reflex is superior to the "meter reader" for survival of the species.
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