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Post by hehatesshe on Nov 26, 2019 19:04:47 GMT
QB1 QB 2 Yards: 271/game 267/game TDs: 1.56/game 1.36/game INTs: .68/game .45/game QBrating: 87.3 88.5 Comp %: 60.5 62.2 QBR: 62.1 55.8 4th Q comeback: 5 0
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 26, 2019 19:06:05 GMT
I’ll take QB2 since you probably want us to take QB1 and that will turn out to be Ryan Tannehill or something.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 26, 2019 19:32:27 GMT
I'd rather have Brady. Who are you trying to trick us into picking with #1?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 26, 2019 19:34:50 GMT
If 2 is in fact Brady, it’s hard to rack up the comeback stat when he’s always winning.
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Post by hehatesshe on Nov 26, 2019 19:36:01 GMT
I'd rather have Brady. Who are you trying to trick us into picking with #1? 2013 Tom Brady
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 26, 2019 19:40:43 GMT
I'd rather have Brady. Who are you trying to trick us into picking with #1? 2013 Tom Brady Yeah I don't think anyone thought he was the problem with the offense. He hasn't needed the comebacks this year because the defense is holding up their end of the bargain and then some.
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Post by hehatesshe on Nov 26, 2019 19:47:01 GMT
Yeah I don't think anyone thought he was the problem with the offense. He hasn't needed the comebacks this year because the defense is holding up their end of the bargain and then some. The point I was going for is that its not like his numbers this year have fallen off any type of cliff. His weapons this year might be even worse than in 2013, the year of an injured Gronk and 2 rookie receivers who played limited after 2013 for 2 years and then were out of the league.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 26, 2019 19:55:31 GMT
Yeah I don't think anyone thought he was the problem with the offense. He hasn't needed the comebacks this year because the defense is holding up their end of the bargain and then some. The point I was going for is that its not like his numbers this year have fallen off any type of cliff. His weapons this year might be even worse than in 2013, the year of an injured Gronk and 2 rookie receivers who played limited after 2013 for 2 years and then were out of the league. One of the highlights of that season is his TD pass to Kenbrell Thompkins of all people to beat the Saints with like 5 seconds left. Wasn't that also the season they came back from down 24-0 to beat Manning's Broncos? Great year that didn't end in a title. Anyway yeah, I've bitched about the Pats this season, but I haven't questioned Brady's ability. There's no cliff yet. Hell, in those conditions the other night his numbers would've been better without what, 8 drops?
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 26, 2019 19:59:10 GMT
Jake Plummer had 20 4th quarter comebacks in his career. Doesn't mean much considering that he was the reason the Cardinals or Broncos fell behind in the first place.
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Post by tristramshandy on Nov 26, 2019 20:02:32 GMT
Anyway yeah, I've bitched about the Pats this season, but I haven't questioned Brady's ability. There's no cliff yet. Hell, in those conditions the other night his numbers would've been better without what, 8 drops? I wouldn't question his ability to win the Super Bowl this year, but for two years now, he hasn't looked like his old self. Last year's Chiefs game is what gives me pause because he came back masterfully in that game, but outside of a turnover touchdown, he doesn't look like the player who can comeback on the Ravens if they go up 14 in the playoffs.
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Post by hehatesshe on Nov 26, 2019 20:04:59 GMT
The point I was going for is that its not like his numbers this year have fallen off any type of cliff. His weapons this year might be even worse than in 2013, the year of an injured Gronk and 2 rookie receivers who played limited after 2013 for 2 years and then were out of the league. One of the highlights of that season is his TD pass to Kenbrell Thompkins of all people to beat the Saints with like 5 seconds left. Wasn't that also the season they came back from down 24-0 to beat Manning's Broncos? Great year that didn't end in a title. Anyway yeah, I've bitched about the Pats this season, but I haven't questioned Brady's ability. There's no cliff yet. Hell, in those conditions the other night his numbers would've been better without what, 8 drops? Yep, also where they came back from 26-14 with 2:30 left to beat the Browns.
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Post by tristramshandy on Nov 26, 2019 20:09:52 GMT
I'd rather have Brady. Who are you trying to trick us into picking with #1? 2013 Tom Brady 2013 is also the worst Tom Brady year since 2003. Now is 2013 they went 12-4 and in 2003 they went 14-2, but still, you're not comparing him to cream of the crop Brady. 2013 is Brady's lowest touchdown percentage in his life . . . until this year (and it's way lower than last year).
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Post by hehatesshe on Nov 26, 2019 20:18:40 GMT
2013 is also the worst Tom Brady year since 2003. Now is 2013 they went 12-4 and in 2003 they went 14-2, but still, you're not comparing him to cream of the crop Brady. 2013 is Brady's lowest touchdown percentage in his life . . . until this year (and it's way lower than last year). Ok, but my point remains. He didn't hit some wall or fall off some cliff in 2013, then remember how to play football for a few more years. You need threats on offense to have a threatening offense.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 26, 2019 20:35:01 GMT
Anyway yeah, I've bitched about the Pats this season, but I haven't questioned Brady's ability. There's no cliff yet. Hell, in those conditions the other night his numbers would've been better without what, 8 drops? I wouldn't question his ability to win the Super Bowl this year, but for two years now, he hasn't looked like his old self. Last year's Chiefs game is what gives me pause because he came back masterfully in that game, but outside of a turnover touchdown, he doesn't look like the player who can comeback on the Ravens if they go up 14 in the playoffs. The numbers say he isn't declining, despite having a garbage O-Line and no running game most of the year. Edelman is noticeably declining this season, not sure if it's specific injuries or just overall wear and tear, but he hasn't been getting open. They've gotten nothing from their TEs. The entire WR corps is either banged up, or in their rookie season. Like I said there had to be 8 drops on Sunday (which in those conditions I'm not going to get on anyone's case too much, but you're looking at a different game and better stats in a frigid monsoon). Look at his numbers last year as compared to 2017 (MVP season) and they aren't radically different. They had rough patches last season but they figured it out. The offense is struggling right now to say the least; but they have five games left to figure out what they do well, if everyone can just stay healthy. They lost their center, left tackle, fullback, both useless TEs, kicker, and 1st round pick WR to injury and they still found ways to put up points. Put another QB in there and he'd be panicking and turning the ball over left and right. No doubt the defense is the strength of the team this year, but they aren't 10-1 with some dipshit QB trying to force things because the offense is bogged down.
I agree they're in real trouble if they go down two scores to anyone, let alone the Ravens, come playoff time. But it isn't because Brady doesn't 'have it' anymore. It's because the entire offense has been held together with duct tape (named Brady) all year. And hey, if that does happen, we can always have RBs lineup ineligible or have Edelman throw a TD to get us back in the game.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 26, 2019 20:39:32 GMT
2013 is also the worst Tom Brady year since 2003. Now is 2013 they went 12-4 and in 2003 they went 14-2, but still, you're not comparing him to cream of the crop Brady. 2013 is Brady's lowest touchdown percentage in his life . . . until this year (and it's way lower than last year). To be fair, can we only compare 2019 Brady to his MVP seasons in order to prove he isn't the same guy he once was? I see your point, maybe he isn't at the peak of his powers at age 42. But he isn't a disaster waiting to happen, at least not this year, so far as I can tell.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 26, 2019 21:35:39 GMT
If 2 is in fact Brady, it’s hard to rack up the comeback stat when he’s always winning. Wrestlers who have 10+ title wins... sooo… they lost a whole lot also, good to know.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 27, 2019 3:10:53 GMT
The point I was going for is that its not like his numbers this year have fallen off any type of cliff. His weapons this year might be even worse than in 2013, the year of an injured Gronk and 2 rookie receivers who played limited after 2013 for 2 years and then were out of the league. One of the highlights of that season is his TD pass to Kenbrell Thompkins of all people to beat the Saints with like 5 seconds left. Wasn't that also the season they came back from down 24-0 to beat Manning's Broncos? That was the season when Brady won the regular season game against Manning, but Manning kicked Brady's ass in the postseason game.
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Post by sdm3 on Nov 27, 2019 3:29:44 GMT
One of the highlights of that season is his TD pass to Kenbrell Thompkins of all people to beat the Saints with like 5 seconds left. Wasn't that also the season they came back from down 24-0 to beat Manning's Broncos? That was the season when Brady won the regular season game against Manning, but Manning kicked Brady's ass in the postseason game. Peyton owned Brady in the postseason. 3 playoff wins vs Brady compared to just 2 losses. If Brady is looking for someone to thank for his recent postseason success, it should be Peyton for retiring and getting out of Brady’s path.
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Post by hehatesshe on Nov 27, 2019 3:34:05 GMT
That was the season when Brady won the regular season game against Manning, but Manning kicked Brady's ass in the postseason game. Peyton owned Brady in the postseason. 3 playoff wins vs Brady compared to just 2 losses. If Brady is looking for someone to thank for his recent postseason success, it should be Peyton for retiring and getting out of Brady’s path. And Eli for not getting to the Superbowl the past 4 years. lolthatsstillfunny
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 27, 2019 4:39:47 GMT
That was the season when Brady won the regular season game against Manning, but Manning kicked Brady's ass in the postseason game. Peyton owned Brady in the postseason. Not just Peyton. The Manning family owns Brady in championship games. Peyton beat Brady in 3 out of 4 AFC Championship Games and Eli is 2-0 vs Brady in Super Bowls.
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