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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 28, 2019 21:15:55 GMT
So I was rewatching my copy of the awesome epic The Natural last night. And the baseball team the NY Knights are really awful. That is until Roy Hobbes comes along with his magic bat, Wonderboy, and his talent. All of a sudden it's like all the other players wake up from their deep slumber and bounce back and turn the team around into winners. Of course one player can be the leading scorer and make the defensive plays but it will take others to contribute and be good players for the team to win. Yeah, I know The Natch is fiction but has anything like this ever happened in real life where one really good player comes along and turns the light switch on for the team to rally back and win games?
Is one example Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls?
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Nov 28, 2019 21:27:43 GMT
So I was rewatching my copy of the awesome epic The Natural last night. And the baseball team the NY Knights are really awful. That is until Roy Hobbes comes along with his magic bat, Wonderboy, and his talent. All of a sudden it's like all the other players wake up from their deep slumber and bounce back and turn the team around into winners. Of course one player can be the leading scorer and make the defensive plays but it will take others to contribute and be good players for the team to win. Yeah, I know The Natch is fiction but has anything like this ever happened in real life where one really good player comes along and turns the light switch on for the team to rally back and win games? Is one example Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls? my softball team. i've always brought the beer.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2019 21:28:42 GMT
Tom Brady
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 28, 2019 21:36:46 GMT
So I was rewatching my copy of the awesome epic The Natural last night. And the baseball team the NY Knights are really awful. That is until Roy Hobbes comes along with his magic bat, Wonderboy, and his talent. All of a sudden it's like all the other players wake up from their deep slumber and bounce back and turn the team around into winners. Of course one player can be the leading scorer and make the defensive plays but it will take others to contribute and be good players for the team to win. Yeah, I know The Natch is fiction but has anything like this ever happened in real life where one really good player comes along and turns the light switch on for the team to rally back and win games? Is one example Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls? my softball team. i've always brought the beer. I know that you are sorta joking but if you really do or did play softball, mad respect for ya since I did.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2019 21:43:35 GMT
One of the most hysterical pieces of radio I've ever listened to. Romey's take on 'Softball Guy'. (not saying this is you two )
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Post by Geddy on Nov 28, 2019 21:52:13 GMT
Depends on the sport. Basketball yes, the other major ones no.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Nov 28, 2019 21:56:21 GMT
So I was rewatching my copy of the awesome epic The Natural last night. And the baseball team the NY Knights are really awful. That is until Roy Hobbes comes along with his magic bat, Wonderboy, and his talent. All of a sudden it's like all the other players wake up from their deep slumber and bounce back and turn the team around into winners. Of course one player can be the leading scorer and make the defensive plays but it will take others to contribute and be good players for the team to win. Yeah, I know The Natch is fiction but has anything like this ever happened in real life where one really good player comes along and turns the light switch on for the team to rally back and win games? Is one example Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls? I rewatched The Natural last weekend after discussing the soundtrack on here. Superb film. You notice the strong similarities to Superman? Father dies of a heart attack out on the farm, then the tree literally glows when it's been hit by lightening beckoning him out in the night - just like the glowing kryptonite. Then he leaves the farm behind to try and make it in the city. He is a completely incorruptible force of good, who goes on to become a saviour. Love it. Also think it's almost a supernatural tale as well, always with the lightening... As for real life equivalents - I always go with Maradona and in particular Italia 90. They didn't win but he dragged a very underwhelming Argentina side far beyond what they should have been able to achieve.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2019 22:44:16 GMT
Brady actually is a poor example. When Brady was out in 2008, the Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. And when Brady was suspended for cheating in DeflateGate, the Pats went 3-1 with Jimmy Garappolo and Jacoby Brissett. So without Brady, the Pats still have a 70% winning percentage. So Brady doesn't really make a difference. It's really Matt Walsh and Jim "The Deflator" McNally that made the difference. Besides Michael Jordan, the other obvious choices are LeBron James and Peyton Manning. With LeBron, Cleveland went to 4 straight NBA Finals and won an NBA Championship. Without LeBron, Cleveland wouldn't have even made the playoffs those 4 years. And the Colts went from 10-6 and a division winner with Manning in 2010 to 2-14 and 1 of the worst teams in the NFL without Manning in 2011.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 28, 2019 22:57:08 GMT
So I was rewatching my copy of the awesome epic The Natural last night. And the baseball team the NY Knights are really awful. That is until Roy Hobbes comes along with his magic bat, Wonderboy, and his talent. All of a sudden it's like all the other players wake up from their deep slumber and bounce back and turn the team around into winners. Of course one player can be the leading scorer and make the defensive plays but it will take others to contribute and be good players for the team to win. Yeah, I know The Natch is fiction but has anything like this ever happened in real life where one really good player comes along and turns the light switch on for the team to rally back and win games? Is one example Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls? I rewatched The Natural last weekend after discussing the soundtrack on here. Superb film. You notice the strong similarities to Superman? Father dies of a heart attack out on the farm, then the tree literally glows when it's been hit by lightening beckoning him out in the night - just like the glowing kryptonite. Then he leaves the farm behind to try and make it in the city. He is a completely incorruptible force of good, who goes on to become a saviour. Love it. Also think it's almost a supernatural tale as well, always with the lightening... As for real life equivalents - I always go with Maradona and in particular Italia 90. They didn't win but he dragged a very underwhelming Argentina side far beyond what they should have been able to achieve. Thank you Count for your terrific post and always glad to meet another who is as much of a fan of this movie as I am. It is a perfect movie. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif) As for the Superman similarities, I sorta thought of Pa Kent when Mr. Hobbes bought the farm on the farm. In Superman I always cry at that scene. Always. In Natch I almost did though I cried at the end when it shows Roy with his new family and passing the gift to the next generation. You bring up some good observations. Funny that I never thought of it that way and I also own Superman! As for Maradona, I'll have to check that out a bit more. Thanx for the info.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 28, 2019 22:59:06 GMT
Brady actually is a poor example. When Brady was out in 2008, the Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. And when Brady was suspended for cheating in DeflateGate, the Pats went 3-1 with Jimmy Garappolo and Jacoby Brissett. So without Brady, the Pats still have a 70% winning percentage. So Brady doesn't really make a difference. It's really Matt Walsh and Jim "The Deflator" McNally that made the difference. Besides Michael Jordan, the other obvious choices are LeBron James and Peyton Manning. With LeBron, Cleveland went to 4 straight NBA Finals and won an NBA Championship. Without LeBron, Cleveland wouldn't have even made the playoffs those 4 years. And the Colts went from 10-6 and a division winner with Manning in 2010 to 2-14 and 1 of the worst teams in the NFL without Manning in 2011. Thank you DC for reminding us why Tom CryBaby cannot be considered a one man difference maker for a team. I appreciate your reply of those examples and they make sense.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2019 23:00:36 GMT
I rewatched The Natural last weekend after discussing the soundtrack on here. Superb film. You notice the strong similarities to Superman? Father dies of a heart attack out on the farm, then the tree literally glows when it's been hit by lightening beckoning him out in the night - just like the glowing kryptonite. Then he leaves the farm behind to try and make it in the city. He is a completely incorruptible force of good, who goes on to become a saviour. Love it. Also think it's almost a supernatural tale as well, always with the lightening... As for real life equivalents - I always go with Maradona and in particular Italia 90. They didn't win but he dragged a very underwhelming Argentina side far beyond what they should have been able to achieve. Thank you Count for your terrific post and always glad to meet another who is as much of a fan as this movie as I am. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif) As for the Superman similarities, I sorta thought of Pa Kent when Mr. Hobbes bought the farm on the farm. In Superman I always cry at that scene. Always. In Natch I almost did though I cried at the end when it shows Roy with his new family and passing the gift to the next generation. You bring up some good observations. Funny that I never thought of it that way and I also own Superman! As for Maradona, I'll have to check that out a bit more. Thanx for the info. You two are forgetting another similarity. Women made both Hobbs and Supes weak. Remember in Superman II when Supes had to give up his powers to be with Louis? And when Hobbs fell victim to the tramp on the train? Women drained them of their powers.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 28, 2019 23:09:39 GMT
Thank you Count for your terrific post and always glad to meet another who is as much of a fan as this movie as I am. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif) As for the Superman similarities, I sorta thought of Pa Kent when Mr. Hobbes bought the farm on the farm. In Superman I always cry at that scene. Always. In Natch I almost did though I cried at the end when it shows Roy with his new family and passing the gift to the next generation. You bring up some good observations. Funny that I never thought of it that way and I also own Superman! As for Maradona, I'll have to check that out a bit more. Thanx for the info. You two are forgetting another similarity. Women made both Hobbs and Supes weak. Remember in Superman II when Supes had to give up his powers to be with Louis? And when Hobbs fell victim to the tramp on the train? Women drained them of their powers. Thank you for adding to the conversation Frogs! I was trying to figure out how women played a part. There was also Memo, another tramp, who put Hobbes into a slump. But then Iris was his Lois Lane who inspired him to be his best!
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Nov 28, 2019 23:32:58 GMT
Just to add another observation from my recent viewing - that scene were he goes up against Whammer must be one of the most beautifully shot scenes I've ever seen. The lighting from the setting sun, with the flies dancing in the light. The old time Ferris wheel in the background. Going over to the other side of the rail tracks. It's just so perfectly evocative of a bygone era. Absolute perfection.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Nov 28, 2019 23:39:31 GMT
In Superman I always cry at that scene. Always. In Natch I almost did though I cried at the end when it shows Roy with his new family and passing the gift to the next generation. That bit in Superman is always a hard lip biting scene for me! The scene in The Natural that always gets me is when Wonderboy is broken and he asks young Bobby to pick him a winner. Of course he returns with the Savoy Special.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 28, 2019 23:42:09 GMT
Brady actually is a poor example. When Brady was out in 2008, the Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. And when Brady was suspended for cheating in DeflateGate, the Pats went 3-1 with Jimmy Garappolo and Jacoby Brissett. So without Brady, the Pats still have a 70% winning percentage. So Brady doesn't really make a difference. It's really Matt Walsh and Jim "The Deflator" McNally that made the difference. With Tom Brady 2008 - The Patriot become the first and only NFL team to ever go undefeated during a 16 game regular season. Without Tom Brady - A drop off of 30% the next year and the Pats miss the play-offs for the first time in over a decade. Without Tom Brady 2016 - 75% win percentage. With Tom Brady 2016 - 93% win percentage and the greatest Super Bowl come back victory in NFL history. With Matt Walsh - 70% win percentage. Three World Championships. After Matt Walsh - 78% win percentage. Six more trips to the Super Bowl, three more World Championships. With Jim McNally - 75% win percentage. Two trips to the Super Bowl. After Jim McNally - 86% win percentage. Four trips to the Super Bowl in five years and three more World Championships. Now, I understand that a Brady-less Patriots must look real good to a Cowboys fan*, but Brady obviously makes the difference between being good, and being the greatest. *
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 28, 2019 23:56:14 GMT
The Knights weren't just a bad team, they were on the take. Bump Bailey (Michael Madsen) was at best a lazy athlete, but was probably being paid off by the Judge. He says he didn't slide because he had a cigar in his back pocket (real quote form a real ballplayer. Jimmy Dykes, I believe.) The pitcher in the playoff game belonged to the Judge also. The Knights didn't just turn it around when Hobbs became a regular, but when Bump Bailey died. A player like that can drain the life out of a team.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Nov 29, 2019 0:06:23 GMT
One of the most hysterical pieces of radio I've ever listened to. Romey's take on 'Softball Guy'. (not saying this is you two )oh my!
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 29, 2019 0:19:34 GMT
Just to add another observation from my recent viewing - that scene were he goes up against Whammer must be one of the most beautifully shot scenes I've ever seen. The lighting from the setting sun, with the flies dancing in the light. The old time Ferris wheel in the background. Going over to the other side of the rail tracks. It's just so perfectly evocative of a bygone era. Absolute perfection. Totally agree. I love that whole part. And they way that they show the carnival rides in slo mo when they first get off the train and then later on Hobbes when he makes the final pitch. Plus you got the train in the background and the steam. Gotta give credit to Joe Baker. Usually he is the good guy in movies. While he is not a villain, he does play the heavy where you end up rooting for Roy. Take note of the uplifting music on, "Strike 3!" In Superman I always cry at that scene. Always. In Natch I almost did though I cried at the end when it shows Roy with his new family and passing the gift to the next generation. That bit in Superman is always a hard lip biting scene for me! The scene in The Natural that always gets me is when Wonderboy is broken and he asks young Bobby to pick him a winner. Of course he returns with the Savoy Special. I just love the way that Roy bonds with the bat boy and when he goes, "Here goes nothing!" with the uplifting hat trick and makes them laugh! Such a feel good movie with so many feel good parts with a good dose of drama. I've heard that this is one of the rare cases where the movie is better than the book.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Nov 29, 2019 1:39:31 GMT
Depends on the sport. Cricket: absolutely. Don't even have to go back that far. Take Andrew Flintoff out of England's 2005 Ashes team and it would have been at least 3-1 Australia, if not 3 or 4 to nil.
Basketball is another one.
In other sports some players have team changing influence either from professionalism and leadership off the field or courage and determination on it. Not necessarily the best players, but Talismanic figures who embody a team or style of play and the team is simply night and day between when they play and when they don't.
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Post by marsexplorer on Nov 29, 2019 2:04:51 GMT
my softball team. i've always brought the beer. Me too! ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif)
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