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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 19, 2017 15:21:06 GMT
So the Young Turks ran with the story about Trump throwing a kids hat away, mocking him and the usual, when in reality he threw the hat back to the kid.
At what point did facts stop mattering to people?
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Post by 🌵 on Apr 19, 2017 15:30:07 GMT
I don't know anything about this particular story, but to answer your general question: people have always believed bullshit, and they are especially inclined to believe bullshit that confirms their worldview. It's not a new thing.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 19, 2017 15:40:28 GMT
So the Young Turks ran with the story about Trump throwing a kids hat away, mocking him and the usual, when in reality he threw the hat back to the kid. At what point did facts stop mattering to people? Is this like the fleet Trump said was being sent to Korea actually not there at all, being 3,000 miles away? |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 19, 2017 15:48:04 GMT
So the Young Turks ran with the story about Trump throwing a kids hat away, mocking him and the usual, when in reality he threw the hat back to the kid. At what point did facts stop mattering to people? Is this like the fleet Trump said was being sent to Korea actually not there at all, being 3,000 miles away? Not really. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 19, 2017 15:49:26 GMT
The minute you started reading HuffPo and watching Young Turks.  It's not like these being outlets that are highly slanted is a big surprise. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 19, 2017 15:50:06 GMT
Is this like the fleet Trump said was being sent to Korea actually not there at all, being 3,000 miles away? Not really.
Well, they both misapply a sense of direction ...
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 19, 2017 16:33:14 GMT
The minute you started reading HuffPo and watching Young Turks. It's not like these being outlets that are highly slanted is a big surprise. But this also applies to the BBC, Sky, CNN, Fox...... The BBC recently linked to a survey of 8000 people, with the headline "Are women to blame if they get sexually assaulted - 41% 0f 18- 24 year old men say YES!" What they failed to highlight was that the number of men in this group surveyed was around 180. They also didn't mention that the demographic most likely to victim blame a woman was women over 65. They failed to point out the percentage of people who victim blamed only differed by a couple of percent between the genders. That the percentage They failed to mention that the question was something along the lines of: "If a woman wearing revealing clothes gets drunk around strangers, is she responsible if she gets assaulted or raped?" With the answers being: No Partly Completely. I'm going from memory here. The point being that why is that the one thing that they chose to highlight? Why not 62% of men say a women is never to blame? Or 33% of women think a woman is to blame? Which were both findings of the survey? Why did CNN run with the "Pissgate" dossier? Or the Wall Street Journal go after a Youtuber? |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 19, 2017 16:36:24 GMT
So the Young Turks ran with the story about Trump throwing a kids hat away, mocking him and the usual, when in reality he threw the hat back to the kid. At what point did facts stop mattering to people? Hmm, the Daily Telegraph (and a whole slew of other much more respected media outlets) reported the same thing. Wonder why you chose the Young Turks to attack rather than them for the same mistake. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 19, 2017 16:37:29 GMT
The minute you started reading HuffPo and watching Young Turks. It's not like these being outlets that are highly slanted is a big surprise. But this also applies to the BBC, Sky, CNN, Fox...... The BBC recently linked to a survey of 8000 people, with the headline "Are women to blame if they get sexually assaulted - 41% 0f 18- 24 year old men say YES!" What they failed to highlight was that the number of men in this group surveyed was around 180. They also didn't mention that the demographic most likely to victim blame a woman was women over 65. They failed to point out the percentage of people who victim blamed only differed by a couple of percent between the genders. That the percentage They failed to mention that the question was something along the lines of: "If a woman wearing revealing clothes gets drunk around strangers, is she responsible if she gets assaulted or raped?" With the answers being: No Partly Completely. I'm going from memory here. The point being that why is that the one thing that they chose to highlight? Why not 62% of men say a women is never to blame? Or 33% of women think a woman is to blame? Which were both findings of the survey? Why did CNN run with the "Pissgate" dossier? Or the Wall Street Journal go after a Youtuber? The BBC is somewhat surprising (although even the most reputable outlets fudge it now and again) but the other are, again, pretty well known to be slanted. CNN is like the "Fox" of the left. FOX is simply famous for histrionic spin. Not sure about Sky. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 19, 2017 16:39:03 GMT
There's no links to any of these, so this might be narrative too.  |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 19, 2017 16:41:03 GMT
The minute you started reading HuffPo and watching Young Turks. It's not like these being outlets that are highly slanted is a big surprise. But this also applies to the BBC, Sky, CNN, Fox...... The BBC recently linked to a survey of 8000 people, with the headline "Are women to blame if they get sexually assaulted - 41% 0f 18- 24 year old men say YES!" What they failed to highlight was that the number of men in this group surveyed was around 180. They also didn't mention that the demographic most likely to victim blame a woman was women over 65. They failed to point out the percentage of people who victim blamed only differed by a couple of percent between the genders. That the percentage They failed to mention that the question was something along the lines of: "If a woman wearing revealing clothes gets drunk around strangers, is she responsible if she gets assaulted or raped?" With the answers being: No Partly Completely. I'm going from memory here. The point being that why is that the one thing that they chose to highlight? Why not 62% of men say a women is never to blame? Or 33% of women think a woman is to blame? Which were both findings of the survey? Why did CNN run with the "Pissgate" dossier? Or the Wall Street Journal go after a Youtuber? Is 180 men out of 8000 surveyed not representative of the population? Not to mention that that particular demographic holding those views is far more worrying than 65 year old women. CNN didn't "run with the pissgate dossier". They reported that Buzzfeed released it but didn't print any of it. You seem to have fallen foul of Trump's spin. No idea what you're referring to with the NYT one. |
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Post by johnblutarsky on Apr 19, 2017 16:50:37 GMT
I saw the video that you mentioned. I'm not saying that Trump actually tossed a kid's ball cap into the crowd (after signing it), but it kind of looked that way (on the small screen of my phone anyway). If the kid handed the hat to Trump, why couldn't Trump simply hand the hat back (twice)?
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Post by althea on Apr 19, 2017 19:49:21 GMT
I'm not aware of the particular incident you're referring to, but it's happened often enough for long enough there's even a saying about it: Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 19, 2017 21:51:31 GMT
So the Young Turks ran with the story about Trump throwing a kids hat away, mocking him and the usual, when in reality he threw the hat back to the kid. At what point did facts stop mattering to people? Hmm, the Daily Telegraph (and a whole slew of other much more respected media outlets) reported the same thing. Wonder why you chose the Young Turks to attack rather than them for the same mistake. Because they were the ones I knew was doing it. I didn't make a massive research effort into which media were reporting on Trumps hat. It was an example. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 19, 2017 21:54:36 GMT
I saw the video that you mentioned. I'm not saying that Trump actually tossed a kid's ball cap into the crowd (after signing it), but it kind of looked that way (on the small screen of my phone anyway). If the kid handed the hat to Trump, why couldn't Trump simply hand the hat back (twice)? Why does it matter whether he tossed it or handed it? In reality, the President did it jokingly. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 19, 2017 22:03:22 GMT
But this also applies to the BBC, Sky, CNN, Fox...... The BBC recently linked to a survey of 8000 people, with the headline "Are women to blame if they get sexually assaulted - 41% 0f 18- 24 year old men say YES!" What they failed to highlight was that the number of men in this group surveyed was around 180. They also didn't mention that the demographic most likely to victim blame a woman was women over 65. They failed to point out the percentage of people who victim blamed only differed by a couple of percent between the genders. That the percentage They failed to mention that the question was something along the lines of: "If a woman wearing revealing clothes gets drunk around strangers, is she responsible if she gets assaulted or raped?" With the answers being: No Partly Completely. I'm going from memory here. The point being that why is that the one thing that they chose to highlight? Why not 62% of men say a women is never to blame? Or 33% of women think a woman is to blame? Which were both findings of the survey? Why did CNN run with the "Pissgate" dossier? Or the Wall Street Journal go after a Youtuber? Is 180 men out of 8000 surveyed not representative of the population? Not to mention that that particular demographic holding those views is far more worrying than 65 year old women. CNN didn't "run with the pissgate dossier". They reported that Buzzfeed released it but didn't print any of it. You seem to have fallen foul of Trump's spin. No idea what you're referring to with the NYT one. Is 180 people representative of every 18-24 year old man in the country? Are you being serious? No it isn't. There is no reason to suppose that a man who thinks a woman is partly to blame would commit rape. In the same way I think if you walk around Liverpool in a Man Utd shirt, you're asking for trouble, but I wouldn't actually hit anyone because of it. Not really, CNN reported publicly the existence of the document before they bothered to verify it. WSJ. They did a report on Pewdiepie being racist. Basically taking a few jokes out of context and spinning an ant semitic narrative. Amusingly, the reporters involved had made similar jokes on Twitter. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 19, 2017 22:23:00 GMT
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 20, 2017 7:06:26 GMT
Is 180 men out of 8000 surveyed not representative of the population? Not to mention that that particular demographic holding those views is far more worrying than 65 year old women. CNN didn't "run with the pissgate dossier". They reported that Buzzfeed released it but didn't print any of it. You seem to have fallen foul of Trump's spin. No idea what you're referring to with the NYT one. Is 180 people representative of every 18-24 year old man in the country? Are you being serious? No it isn't. There is no reason to suppose that a man who thinks a woman is partly to blame would commit rape. In the same way I think if you walk around Liverpool in a Man Utd shirt, you're asking for trouble, but I wouldn't actually hit anyone because of it. Not really, CNN reported publicly the existence of the document before they bothered to verify it. WSJ. They did a report on Pewdiepie being racist. Basically taking a few jokes out of context and spinning an ant semitic narrative. Amusingly, the reporters involved had made similar jokes on Twitter. If this survey was trying to represent the whole country, is 180/8000 not a fair proportion for 18-24 year old men? If not, what is? Or how many people overall need to be surveyed before the BBC is allowed to report on the results? You're just being disengenuous now. I never said that an 18-24 year old man holding that view was likely to commit rape. Given though that this demographic rapes women far more often than 65+ women, yes, it's worrying that they hold these deeply chauvinistic and misogynistic views. Yes they did, because Buzzfeed had published it in its entirety, which is what their story was about. They referred to the dossier as unverified, as a multitude of other media outlets which reported the same thing. There was nothing incorrect in their reporting. As I said, you seem to have just listened to Trump's version of events. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 8:26:52 GMT
They didn't fail to highlight anything. www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38690265/some-people-still-blame-sexual-assault-on-short-skirts-a-study-suggestsThe article says this and provides a link to the survey: Figures released by the Fawcett society show that 41% of men aged 18-24 say that a woman who is drunk and wearing a short skirt is "totally or partially to blame" if they are sexually assaulted. . Wrong. "Older women are even more likely to blame sexual assault victims. Among over-65s, 55% of women would blame the victim, versus 48% of men, the study suggests" Wrong again: "The Sounds Familiar report suggests that 30% of women aged 18-34 would also "totally or partially to blame" a drunk woman wearing a short skirt if they were sexually assaulted." That's eleven percentage points between the genders not a couple. The title of your OP is damned ironic given what you've said. |
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Post by scienceisgod on Apr 20, 2017 8:38:19 GMT
The minute you started reading HuffPo and watching Young Turks. It's not like these being outlets that are highly slanted is a big surprise. He should read The Economist, Reuters, and BBC. |
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