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Post by THawk on Apr 22, 2017 16:20:54 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 16:27:11 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand. If you are not sure then you do not believe in magic.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 22, 2017 19:31:18 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand. People who answer "not sure" to the question "Do you believe in magic?" are just as mentally unbalanced as the people who answer "Yes."
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 22, 2017 19:38:41 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand. Do you believe people who don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns, and werewolves are "close minded"? Why would "not sure" be the default answer when there's never been any evidence demonstrated for magic? Just because something hasn't been disproven isn't really sufficient reasoning for believing it which is what you seem to be proposing. By your reasoning "not sure" should be the default answer for believing in magical Irish midgets.
"There is a fantastic amount of mystery left" That's essentially just a version of the "God of the Gaps" argument (we don't know how stuff works therefore magic)
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 22, 2017 20:21:14 GMT
So basically you had absolutely no valid reason whatsoever to report me? Remember what happened to your account on the old IMDb when you started frivolously reporting people just because you didn't like what they had to say? I thought it was plenty valid. And I told you that you probably wouldn't like it, but you just had to know, didn't you? I don't like it, because it just showed you're a bit of a coward. I didn't report you when you were calling others "faggots" here, even though that was almost certainly against the rules. You're just a little bit of a coward, using the report function to try and censor what you don't like.
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Post by THawk on Apr 22, 2017 22:21:47 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand. Do you believe people who don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns, and werewolves are "close minded"? Why would "not sure" be the default answer when there's never been any evidence demonstrated for magic? Just because something hasn't been disproven isn't really sufficient reasoning for believing it which is what you seem to be proposing. By your reasoning "not sure" should be the default answer for believing in magical Irish midgets.
"There is a fantastic amount of mystery left" That's essentially just a version of the "God of the Gaps" argument (we don't know how stuff works therefore magic)
Because it does indeed matter what other people believe, and how many people believe it. It's not the final word, but it should at the very least be cause for consideration. No one really believes in leprechauns. But there are plenty - if not millions - who believe in one form of vodoo or another. There are also bigfoot tales from every continent on Earth, independent of each other. I mean, this is not me arguing that any of this is actually real - if I had to pick, I would say it's more likely it's not real. But to suggest a level of certainty that no magic is real, in the face of millions who believe otherwise - unless by a very small coincidence you happen to have done your own independent research and is something you have spent a long and serious amount of time in - is to display Western materialist arrogance. If millions suddenly reported a serious belief in leprechauns, which is not the case, that would at least be cause for a "hold on, what's going on here?" question.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 22, 2017 23:52:17 GMT
Do you believe people who don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns, and werewolves are "close minded"? Why would "not sure" be the default answer when there's never been any evidence demonstrated for magic? Just because something hasn't been disproven isn't really sufficient reasoning for believing it which is what you seem to be proposing. By your reasoning "not sure" should be the default answer for believing in magical Irish midgets.
"There is a fantastic amount of mystery left" That's essentially just a version of the "God of the Gaps" argument (we don't know how stuff works therefore magic)
Because it does indeed matter what other people believe, and how many people believe it. It's not the final word, but it should at the very least be cause for consideration. No one really believes in leprechauns. But there are plenty - if not millions - who believe in one form of vodoo or another. There are also bigfoot tales from every continent on Earth, independent of each other. I mean, this is not me arguing that any of this is actually real - if I had to pick, I would say it's more likely it's not real. But to suggest a level of certainty that no magic is real, in the face of millions who believe otherwise - unless by a very small coincidence you happen to have done your own independent research and is something you have spent a long and serious amount of time in - is to display Western materialist arrogance. If millions suddenly reported a serious belief in leprechauns, which is not the case, that would at least be cause for a "hold on, what's going on here?" question. "No one really believes in leprechauns."
You don't know that.
"But there are plenty - if not millions - who believe in one form of vodoo or another."
That's just an appeal to popularity fallacy.
"There are also bigfoot tales from every continent on Earth, independent of each other."
There also tales of dragons, witches, demons, and ghosts on just about every continent, what's your point?
"in the face of millions who believe otherwise -"
Many people believe the Holocaust never happened, vaccines cause autism, the earth is only a few thousand years old, and the government is run by the Illuminati, am I suppose entertain every ridiculous idea just because a lot of people believe in it?
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Post by THawk on Apr 23, 2017 0:04:08 GMT
Because it does indeed matter what other people believe, and how many people believe it. It's not the final word, but it should at the very least be cause for consideration. No one really believes in leprechauns. But there are plenty - if not millions - who believe in one form of vodoo or another. There are also bigfoot tales from every continent on Earth, independent of each other. I mean, this is not me arguing that any of this is actually real - if I had to pick, I would say it's more likely it's not real. But to suggest a level of certainty that no magic is real, in the face of millions who believe otherwise - unless by a very small coincidence you happen to have done your own independent research and is something you have spent a long and serious amount of time in - is to display Western materialist arrogance. If millions suddenly reported a serious belief in leprechauns, which is not the case, that would at least be cause for a "hold on, what's going on here?" question. "No one really believes in leprechauns."
You don't know that.
"But there are plenty - if not millions - who believe in one form of vodoo or another."
That's just an appeal to popularity fallacy.
"There are also bigfoot tales from every continent on Earth, independent of each other."
There also tales of dragons, witches, demons, and ghosts on just about every continent, what's your point?
"in the face of millions who believe otherwise -"
Many people believe the Holocaust never happened, vaccines cause autism, and the government is run by the Illuminati, am I suppose entertain ever ridiculous idea just because a lot of people believe in it?
I just explained that I'm not saying popularity makes it true, but at least worth thinking about and questioning rather than dismissing blindly. Who exactly is saying that the Holocaust "never happened?" Iran and other Islamic hardliners downplay its scope, but they don't say it "never happened." You can't just make up nonsense to try and prove a point. If there are fringe extremists of this thinking, they are probably as many as those you think believe in leprechauns - a small enough number to be entirely negligible. The other things you mentioned - yes, some of it is worth at least thinking about. Many people, some whom I know personally, are absolutely convinced in the existence of ghosts, and have shared personal accounts with me.Not saying I am convinced by any of that - but it's enough for an "interesting, I'm not sure." Never met or heard anyone who believes dragons exist in the world somewhere, or who would make such an argument.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 23, 2017 0:14:13 GMT
"No one really believes in leprechauns."
You don't know that.
"But there are plenty - if not millions - who believe in one form of vodoo or another."
That's just an appeal to popularity fallacy.
"There are also bigfoot tales from every continent on Earth, independent of each other."
There also tales of dragons, witches, demons, and ghosts on just about every continent, what's your point?
"in the face of millions who believe otherwise -"
Many people believe the Holocaust never happened, vaccines cause autism, and the government is run by the Illuminati, am I suppose entertain ever ridiculous idea just because a lot of people believe in it?
I just explained that I'm not saying popularity makes it true, but at least worth thinking about and questioning rather than dismissing blindly. Who exactly is saying that the Holocaust "never happened?" Iran and other Islamic hardliners downplay its scope, but they don't say it "never happened." You can't just make up nonsense to try and prove a point. If there are fringe extremists of this thinking, they are probably as many as those you think believe in leprechauns - a small enough number to be entirely negligible. The other things you mentioned - yes, some of it is worth at least thinking about. Many people, some whom I know personally, are absolutely convinced in the existence of ghosts, and have shared personal accounts with me.Not saying I am convinced by any of that - but it's enough for an "interesting, I'm not sure." Never met or heard anyone who believes dragons exist in the world somewhere, or who would make such an argument. "You can't just make up nonsense to try and prove a point."
There are plenty of extremists, often of White Supremacist idealogy, who will attest the Holocaust never happened, so uh no I'm not making anything up. That was just one example anyways, I noticed you said nothing about the antivaccers and Young Earthers. I get your not actually proposing magic is real, but the fact that I should at least be "open" to the idea is riddiculous for same the reason I'm not open to the idea of the Holocaust being a Hoax or vaccines causing autism.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:24:07 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand. Well said!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:30:47 GMT
I thought it was plenty valid. And I told you that you probably wouldn't like it, but you just had to know, didn't you? I don't like it, because it just showed you're a bit of a coward. I didn't report you when you were calling others "faggots" here, even though that was almost certainly against the rules. You're just a little bit of a coward, using the report function to try and censor what you don't like. Okay. If you want to think that, go ahead. Maya isn't bothering you, and you're one of the ones constantly following her around with utterly childish insults in an attempt to provoke, just as you did with Ada and certain other posters, and I'm getting very tired of seeing it on my screen all the time. There are people on the politics board you can hassle. You don't need to be bringing it here as well.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 23, 2017 0:32:14 GMT
I don't like it, because it just showed you're a bit of a coward. I didn't report you when you were calling others "faggots" here, even though that was almost certainly against the rules. You're just a little bit of a coward, using the report function to try and censor what you don't like. Okay. If you want to think that, go ahead. Maya isn't bothering you, and you're one of the ones constantly following her around with utterly childish insults in an attempt to provoke, just as you did with Ada and certain other posters, and I'm getting very tired of seeing it on my screen all the time. There are people on the politics board you can hassle. You don't need to be bringing it here as well. Quick, somebody get Erjen some cheese!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:33:37 GMT
I just explained that I'm not saying popularity makes it true, but at least worth thinking about and questioning rather than dismissing blindly. Who exactly is saying that the Holocaust "never happened?" Iran and other Islamic hardliners downplay its scope, but they don't say it "never happened." You can't just make up nonsense to try and prove a point. If there are fringe extremists of this thinking, they are probably as many as those you think believe in leprechauns - a small enough number to be entirely negligible. The other things you mentioned - yes, some of it is worth at least thinking about. Many people, some whom I know personally, are absolutely convinced in the existence of ghosts, and have shared personal accounts with me.Not saying I am convinced by any of that - but it's enough for an "interesting, I'm not sure." Never met or heard anyone who believes dragons exist in the world somewhere, or who would make such an argument. "You can't just make up nonsense to try and prove a point."
There are plenty of extremists, often of White Supremacist idealogy, who will attest the Holocaust never happened, so uh no I'm not making anything up. That was just one example anyways, I noticed you said nothing about the antivaccers and Young Earthers. I get your not actually proposing magic is real, but the fact that I should at least be "open" to the idea is riddiculous for same the reason I'm not open to the idea of the Holocaust being a Hoax or vaccines causing autism.
Do you have any proof that vaccines don't cause autism?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:34:53 GMT
Lots of closed minded people in this thread, but that's to be expected. "Not sure" should be the default answer. There is a fantastic amount of mystery left in this world, and only rich Western materialists dismiss everything they don't know about first hand. People who answer "not sure" to the question "Do you believe in magic?" are just as mentally unbalanced as the people who answer "Yes." No, they're not.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 23, 2017 0:39:48 GMT
"You can't just make up nonsense to try and prove a point."
There are plenty of extremists, often of White Supremacist idealogy, who will attest the Holocaust never happened, so uh no I'm not making anything up. That was just one example anyways, I noticed you said nothing about the antivaccers and Young Earthers. I get your not actually proposing magic is real, but the fact that I should at least be "open" to the idea is riddiculous for same the reason I'm not open to the idea of the Holocaust being a Hoax or vaccines causing autism.
Do you have any proof that vaccines don't cause autism? www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism
www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 23, 2017 0:42:26 GMT
People who answer "not sure" to the question "Do you believe in magic?" are just as mentally unbalanced as the people who answer "Yes." No, they're not. Don't worry about the fact that you are always wrong about everything. I doubt anybody expexts any different from an imbecile.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:43:00 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:46:16 GMT
Don't worry about the fact that you are always wrong about everything. I doubt anybody expexts any different from an imbecile. So far there are four saying yes and four saying not sure. Even if they represent only 1% of the world's population, isn't that still a lot of people? According to you, should they be put in prison for life too?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 23, 2017 0:46:43 GMT
Genetics mainly, I'd imagine also outside factors (breathing dangerous chemicals, smoking, drinking, drugs, etc while pregnant)
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Post by vomisacaasi on Apr 23, 2017 3:25:59 GMT
I know it's real.
I once made myself invisible.
I was at a party standing in a doorway. A friend of mine walked into the room from the other door not more than three feet from me and asked if anyone had seen me. There were about 5 to 7 people in the room. They all said no or said they thought I left.
A few moments later I said I was right here. My friend asked how long I had been there.
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