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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 15:53:39 GMT
What say you.
Just asking for a personal opinion.
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Post by clusium on Apr 20, 2017 17:55:05 GMT
Does it even exist given that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it?
As a BOSS, I have to take annual harassment training, so I know the textbook view of it, but it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and the actual view of what it is. Sexual harassment is a very degrading experience!!!! |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 18:07:30 GMT
Does it even exist given that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it?
As a BOSS, I have to take annual harassment training, so I know the textbook view of it, but it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and the actual view of what it is. Don't you mean that it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and YOUR actual view of what it is? People can and will defend anything (especially when they have a dog in the fight). The fact that they are defending it neither validates nor invalidates its existence. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 18:08:15 GMT
I think you mean how would a person define it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 18:09:40 GMT
Does it even exist given that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it?
As a BOSS, I have to take annual harassment training, so I know the textbook view of it, but it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and the actual view of what it is. Don't you mean that it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and YOUR actual view of what it is? People can and will defend anything (especially when they have a dog in the fight). The fact that they are defending it neither validates nor invalidates its existence. Did I state my view? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 18:11:20 GMT
I think you mean how would a person define it.Describe works too.
I'll take either although there is a definition to sexual harassment so I was implying that I was interested in seeing a person's opinion on it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 18:14:02 GMT
As an aside, I couldn't help but notice that ever so briefly, instead of Senior member it showed Satan spelled backwards and my stars were black. Am I being punk'd by God?  |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 18:18:34 GMT
Don't you mean that it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and YOUR actual view of what it is? People can and will defend anything (especially when they have a dog in the fight). The fact that they are defending it neither validates nor invalidates its existence. Did I state my view? Yes. You stated that "that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it", and then questioned whether or not it existed based on that assumed position. I then gave you my position in response to your question. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 18:21:30 GMT
I think you mean how would a person define it.Describe works too.
I'll take either although there is a definition to sexual harassment so I was implying that I was interested in seeing a person's opinion on it.
No, to describe it isn't necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 18:22:40 GMT
Does it even exist given that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it?
As a BOSS, I have to take annual harassment training, so I know the textbook view of it, but it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and the actual view of what it is. You're on a roll Smithy this post and another corker from AJ's Israel Palestine thread: |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 18:23:39 GMT
Yes. You stated that "that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it", and then questioned whether or not it existed based on that assumed position. I then gave you my position in response to your question. I was just bringing out the point that led to the question.
There would be no way to get my view from a factual statement and an open ended question.
However, I will give my opinion now...It's in line with the legal definition
www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 18:24:16 GMT
Describe works too.
I'll take either although there is a definition to sexual harassment so I was implying that I was interested in seeing a person's opinion on it.
No, to describe it isn't necessary. Then don't.
It wasn't mandatory.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 18:25:05 GMT
Does it even exist given that there are defenders of just about anyone accused of it?
As a BOSS, I have to take annual harassment training, so I know the textbook view of it, but it seems there may be a disconnect between the definition and the actual view of what it is. You're on a roll Smithy this post and another corker from AJ's Israel Palestine thread: Thanks!  |
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 20, 2017 18:25:05 GMT
I think sexual harassment is when an unwelcome comment or action is made, that suggests a person is turning you on, to the point you want to have physical relations with them.
People don't like to feel like they are just a piece of "meat".
However, It does seem that some people tend to be a little over sensitive, and what is simply meant as a compliment to make a person feel good about themselves, can be interpreted in a negative way... and that obviously can lead to problems.
You don't want to ignore people either, but it is hard to know when you can say things or not, and unfortunately it seems it is better to keep your thoughts to yourself, and to pretend you don't notice. This can also lead to problems.
But, as a man, I have to ask the women here... If you don't want us to compliment you on your looks...
Why do you wear makeup, and wear fancy hairstyles, and jewelry, and beautiful dresses?
Do you really expect men to "ignore" you when you look like "Cinderella"?
We should know that you don't want to be thought of as "prostitutes", and we should know that we shouldn't make comments to suggest things like that...
But we should be allowed to say, "You look beautiful in that dress!"... Unfortunately, some women scream "sexual harassment", even when men only do that....
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 20, 2017 18:25:23 GMT
Unwanted sexual attention that occurs regardless of objection, especially from an individual in a "superior" position.
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Post by general313 on Apr 20, 2017 18:58:19 GMT
Unwanted sexual attention that occurs regardless of objection, especially from an individual in a "superior" position. I would assume that Smith agrees that that is the textbook definition. I'm not sure why he has issues with it. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 19:05:34 GMT
Unwanted sexual attention that occurs regardless of objection, especially from an individual in a "superior" position. I would assume that Smith agrees that that is the textbook definition. I'm not sure why he has issues with it. Argh.
I'm just going to remove my statement. I have no idea how anyone is deriving I have an issue with the definition based on the question I asked.
Are people thinking I use leading question because I would be interested in knowing a time I did that when starting a thread.
I'm rarely that coy.
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Post by general313 on Apr 20, 2017 19:19:13 GMT
I would assume that Smith agrees that that is the textbook definition. I'm not sure why he has issues with it. Argh.
I'm just going to remove my statement. I have no idea how anyone is deriving I have an issue with the definition based on the question I asked.
Are people thinking I use leading question because I would be interested in knowing a time I did that when starting a thread.
I'm rarely that coy.
Sorry if I read the wrong thing in your question. I guess my reaction is due to exposure to others in this forum that try to justify their "minor" interests. Your wording does suggest however that the textbook definition as stated by Cine is somehow unclear or unsatisfactory. Can you clarify your position? Was it just to start a conversation? If so, I would have worded it differently. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 20, 2017 19:21:30 GMT
general313It wasn't just you. I apparently wrote it wrong, and rather than figure out how that could be, I simplified it.
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Post by general313 on Apr 20, 2017 19:38:43 GMT
Back to Cine's definition: Unwanted sexual attention that occurs regardless of objection, especially from an individual in a "superior" position.
This corresponds with the "respect in the workplace" seminars conducted where I work. The keyword here is "unwanted". If the recipient is ok with it then there's no harassment. It's sort of like the difference between consensual sex and rape.
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