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Post by cupcakes on Apr 21, 2017 15:36:54 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 15:38:23 GMT
Terrapin StationWell, it does have something to do with because the action is either too atypical or too unfounded to be actionable whereas sexual harassment may be more common and have more impact regarding a hostile environment. If there is money to be made, people will file to get it. It's far more likely that the plight of the white man to get along with his buddies isn't a prevalent issue.
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Post by general313 on Apr 21, 2017 15:42:37 GMT
U.S. Republican guidelines: breastfeeding in public: bad trans women using the women's restroom: bad men groping women at the workplace: ok! Just because of the context, I'm hoping you're not thinking that I'm a Republican or that I think there's anything wrong with breastfeeding in public or anyone using whatever bathroom they'd like to use. I wasn't sure. Thanks for the clarification. Your comments do seem to suggest at least some libertarian (politically speaking) sympathies. I believe that an activist social agenda is desirable to help correct historical injustices. I don't think current sexual harassment polices are excessive, but even if they were, I'd rather have that than, say, the current situation in India. |
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Post by Marv on Apr 21, 2017 15:53:32 GMT
It does work because we as a society apply punishments and levels of wrongness to the various misdeeds that are committed by its members. How exactly we as a group have determined which acts warrant more discipline is probably most easily defined by self reflection. How would I feel if these acts were committed against me? So you're simply advocating some sort of mob rule/argumentum ad populum/flow with the current trend approach? You mean society? I guess if that's how you define society. |
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Post by Vegas on Apr 21, 2017 15:53:36 GMT
"Sex isn't identical to other things" doesn't really work as a justification for why it should be different for harassment, say. Sure it does. Different beasts have different natures. Its why we don't usually keep tigers as pets. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 15:54:17 GMT
What say you.
Just asking for a personal opinion.
When a women wears revealing clothing with the intention of titilating her male co-workers. Asking a woman on a date is not harassment and is not sexual. Asking somebody on a date is not sexual? Have you asked people out on dates? How many of them were men? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 15:56:48 GMT
No idea what that would be saying, really. Could you explain it? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 15:57:54 GMT
Terrapin Station Well, it does have something to do with because the action is either too atypical or too unfounded to be actionable whereas sexual harassment may be more common and have more impact regarding a hostile environment. If there is money to be made, people will file to get it. It's far more likely that the plight of the white man to get along with his buddies isn't a prevalent issue. What I agree with there is that we're in a witch hunt climate with respect to sexual harassment. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 16:01:36 GMT
Just because of the context, I'm hoping you're not thinking that I'm a Republican or that I think there's anything wrong with breastfeeding in public or anyone using whatever bathroom they'd like to use. I wasn't sure. Thanks for the clarification. Your comments do seem to suggest at least some libertarian (politically speaking) sympathies. I believe that an activist social agenda is desirable to help correct historical injustices. I don't think current sexual harassment polices are excessive, but even if they were, I'd rather have that than, say, the current situation in India. Politically, I describe myself as a libertarian socialist, although no label is going to capture my political views very well, because they're very idiosyncratic--I've yet to meet someone else who already shares the bulk of my political views or who agrees with them once I explain them, lol. On the libertarian side, re personal liberty issues, I'm very "minarchist"-oriented, minarchism being closer to anarchism. But with respect to large scale economics, at this point I'm very much a(n idiosyncratic sort of) socialist. Re the India comment, I don't know what that would be referring to. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 16:02:26 GMT
"Sex isn't identical to other things" doesn't really work as a justification for why it should be different for harassment, say. Sure it does. Different beasts have different natures. Its why we don't usually keep tigers as pets. It doesn't work because it's no justification. It's saying "sex is importantly different because it's different." |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 16:03:26 GMT
When a women wears revealing clothing with the intention of titilating her male co-workers. Asking a woman on a date is not harassment and is not sexual. Asking somebody on a date is not sexual? Have you asked people out on dates? How many of them were men? If dates are necessarily sexual, I've got to file some complaints with the dating board. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 21, 2017 16:06:44 GMT
tpfkar Somebody else lays it out, maybe face-to-face, through a document, or a law, or a smack to the head or whatever, and you say "oh, that's what you mean". Patti Smith Math Scratch |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 16:11:33 GMT
Terrapin Station Well, it does have something to do with because the action is either too atypical or too unfounded to be actionable whereas sexual harassment may be more common and have more impact regarding a hostile environment. If there is money to be made, people will file to get it. It's far more likely that the plight of the white man to get along with his buddies isn't a prevalent issue. What I agree with there is that we're in a witch hunt climate with respect to sexual harassment. I would disagree with that.
I think that the "witch hunt" aspect is simply culture catching up to what the rules were in the first place.
I think it's a myth to suggest that people are being fined for something as minor as asking people out. They may be losing their jobs for that but that has to do with HR guidelines. There's too much conflation with what the law requires for it to be sexual harassment.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 17:26:46 GMT
tpfkar Somebody else lays it out, maybe face-to-face, through a document, or a law, or a smack to the head or whatever, and you say "oh, that's what you mean". Patti Smith Math ScratchBut you know that you can't literally say or write a concept, right? |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 21, 2017 17:31:44 GMT
tpfkar But you know you can verbalize or write out a description of a concept, and communicate that to another person, right? Or alternatively that you can make communication literally useless, right? Blues from Beyond the Grave |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 17:54:56 GMT
tpfkar But you know you can verbalize or write out a description of a concept, and communicate that to another person, right? Or alternatively that you can make communication literally useless, right? Blues from Beyond the GraveYeah, you can make sounds, make marks that we interpret as letters, etc. But that doesn't make concepts objective, because those sounds, marks, etc. aren't literally a concept. People have to think about them, apply meaning to the sounds/marks, apply their personal concepts to them, and so on. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 21, 2017 18:02:29 GMT
tpfkar Sure, a paragraph is not the actual idea it conveys, a book not the thesis it argues, and optical pulses on a cable aren't actually the frisky kitty you just watched. In the meantime, "objective" in the context of this thread is "driven by an external framework as opposed to strictly personal preferences and goals". See-through PlayMate |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 18:08:09 GMT
tpfkar Sure, a paragraph is not the actual idea it conveys, a book not the thesis it argues, and optical pulses on a cable aren't actually the frisky kitty you just watched. In the meantime, "objective" in the context of this thread is "driven by an external framework as opposed to strictly personal preferences and goals". See-through PlayMateBut your objective isn't at all objective. Concepts were just the first issue of something that you gave as part of an external framework that aren't actually external. The origin, meaning, and interpretation of business plans, mission statements, etc. are also not external. Neither are the "interests" of the same. And neither is "driven by" in this context. |
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Post by blade on Apr 21, 2017 18:09:35 GMT
I think being subjected to cupcakes display picture is sexual harassment.  |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 21, 2017 18:17:16 GMT
tpfkar It is in the everyday meaning of "objective" in this context as roughly a shared/agreed to/enforced subjective. Hang Out |
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