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Post by WullieFort on Dec 27, 2019 9:34:42 GMT
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 27, 2019 10:06:56 GMT
I loved the idea of Glass.
Overall I enjoyed the movie.
I don't mind sad endings; i.e. movies like The Mist where you're left feeling like you got punched in the gut - however felt empty/unsatisfied to an extent with this ending.
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Post by MrFurious on Dec 27, 2019 10:07:46 GMT
Actually looking forward to Glass next week after my free month of Amazon finishes
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Post by Zos on Dec 27, 2019 13:10:36 GMT
Can't agree with him on OUATIA. All of it is great although QT always splits critics.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 27, 2019 13:14:58 GMT
Strongly disagree with some of those choices. I quite liked the new 'Men in Black' movie and 'Yesterday'. I didn't dislike 'Glass' (although I was expecting better) and even 'Serenity' wasn't a complete waste of time - I mean, the resolution was utter crap, but for at least half of the movie it felt like a pretty decent neo-noir to me.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 27, 2019 13:25:17 GMT
I loved the idea of Glass. Overall I enjoyed the movie. I don't mind sad endings; i.e. movies like The Mist where you're left feeling like you got punched in the gut - however felt empty/unsatisfied to an extent with this ending. It's fine to kill the hero, but not with nameless henchmen from an organization you know nothing about that was just introduced. Imagine Indiana Jones getting shot in the face by some random goon, it's shit writing.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2019 15:34:06 GMT
I haven't seen all of these but some of this list is pretty stupid (worth noting that these are two separate lists from different critics). Lakeesha? It's kind of a cheat to include a movie that nobody has seen or heard of. I've seen some zero budget horror movies this year that are definitely, objectively worse than anything on either list.
Including the last half hour of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is also a cheat, also stupid, and also that blurb showed a lack of understanding of what the movie was. Cats is absolutely terrible and should be on any year's worst list, but the caveat at the beginning that it pushed Dumbo off of the list is silly. None of the too many live action remakes of Disney classics this year have been especially good or worthwhile, but that one was entertaining if forgettable, but was the only one that did its own thing instead of just rehashing the predecessor at every turn. Yesterday is a mediocre movie, but it's not as bad or offensive as this blurb would lead you to believe, even if the description is fairly accurate. Rocketman is a kinda fun musical. If the critic was looking for me than that that's on him. And the historical inaccuracies are kind of part of the whole thing is it's clearly presented as a fantasy as opposed to Bohemian Rhapsody that just made everything up. Men in Black: International is a terrible, almost worthless film, so that's apt.
Didnt see Glass, Last Christmas, Serenity, or Annabelle Comes home (the latter of which was actually not that badly reviewed as much as I don't like any of those movies).
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 27, 2019 15:57:18 GMT
M Night Shyamalan is one of the most overrated auteurs in history.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2019 19:34:06 GMT
M Night Shyamalan is one of the most overrated auteurs in history. Don't think I can agree there. He was once highly celebrated and then routinely mocked and the consensus was that he's gotten better after some major embarrassments. I'd say the broad perception is fair. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 27, 2019 20:31:27 GMT
M Night Shyamalan is one of the most overrated auteurs in history. Don't think I can agree there. He was once highly celebrated and then routinely mocked and the consensus was that he's gotten better after some major embarrassments. I'd say the broad perception is fair. Nah, he’s utter shite, mate!
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2019 20:32:00 GMT
Don't think I can agree there. He was once highly celebrated and then routinely mocked and the consensus was that he's gotten better after some major embarrassments. I'd say the broad perception is fair. Nah, he’s utter shite, mate! Ok |
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 27, 2019 20:56:37 GMT
Can't agree with him on OUATIA. All of it is great although QT always splits critics. OUATIH? To be fair, he did note that the film is on his Ten Best, it's the last half hour that's on his Ten Worst, which I think he got exactly right. So you are extra correct, QT splits critics and even split that one critic from himself.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2019 21:14:50 GMT
Can't agree with him on OUATIA. All of it is great although QT always splits critics. OUATIH? To be fair, he did note that the film is on his Ten Best, it's the last half hour that's on his Ten Worst, which I think he got exactly right. So you are extra correct, QT splits critics and even split that one critic from himself. I think he got it exactly wrong, but even if I could agree with that perspective (which, when he explained it was even less understandable) it would still be completely ridiculous to include it on both of those lists. It's conceptually one of the dumbest things I've seen a critic argue for. |
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 27, 2019 21:32:21 GMT
OUATIH? To be fair, he did note that the film is on his Ten Best, it's the last half hour that's on his Ten Worst, which I think he got exactly right. So you are extra correct, QT splits critics and even split that one critic from himself. I think he got it exactly wrong, but even if I could agree with that perspective (which, when he explained it was even less understandable) it would still be completely ridiculous to include it on both of those lists. It's conceptually one of the dumbest things I've seen a critic argue for. Okay. But here's the thing: that critic, Owen Gleiberman, doesn't need to argue for anything. That's his opinion piece; he can say whatever he wants. It says "opinion" right in the link. He's not a coach pleading his player's case to NCAA or NFL refs. Personally, I say Gleiberman is being generous, as generous as AV Club was being when they said OUATIH is Quentin Tarantino's wistful mid-life crisis movie, or however they put it.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2019 22:33:39 GMT
I think he got it exactly wrong, but even if I could agree with that perspective (which, when he explained it was even less understandable) it would still be completely ridiculous to include it on both of those lists. It's conceptually one of the dumbest things I've seen a critic argue for. Okay. But here's the thing: that critic, Owen Gleiberman, doesn't need to argue for anything. That's his opinion piece; he can say whatever he wants. It says "opinion" right in the link. He's not a coach pleading his player's case to NCAA or NFL refs. Personally, I say Gleiberman is being generous, as generous as AV Club was being when they said OUATIH is Quentin Tarantino's wistful mid-life crisis movie, or however they put it. That's all he's doing with this list. Naming the movie and writing a brief argument justifying why it belongs there. That's what these lists are for. If that's AV club's take, then that critic has a really shallow reading of it, I guess. |
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 27, 2019 22:57:26 GMT
Okay. But here's the thing: that critic, Owen Gleiberman, doesn't need to argue for anything. That's his opinion piece; he can say whatever he wants. It says "opinion" right in the link. He's not a coach pleading his player's case to NCAA or NFL refs. Personally, I say Gleiberman is being generous, as generous as AV Club was being when they said OUATIH is Quentin Tarantino's wistful mid-life crisis movie, or however they put it. That's all he's doing with this list. Naming the movie and writing a brief argument justifying why it belongs there. That's what these lists are for. If that's AV club's take, then that critic has a really shallow reading of it, I guess. Cool. Well, I guess if you see every opinion piece writer, every film critic, as making an argument, then you must see literally all speech as that, or is it just the speech of those who disagree with you? Here's a thought: Quentin Tarantino, from Inglourious Basterds through OUATIH, makes juvenile, self-indulgent revisionist garbage. No argument.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 28, 2019 0:50:22 GMT
That's all he's doing with this list. Naming the movie and writing a brief argument justifying why it belongs there. That's what these lists are for. If that's AV club's take, then that critic has a really shallow reading of it, I guess. Cool. Well, I guess if you see every opinion piece writer, every film critic, as making an argument, then you must see literally all speech as that, or is it just the speech of those who disagree with you? Here's a thought: Quentin Tarantino, from Inglourious Basterds through OUATIH, makes juvenile, self-indulgent revisionist garbage. No argument. No, that's not an argument. Just a stupid statement. Critics, when they right a full review, often include a genuine analysis. When they blurb something on a reductive list, they argue the merits of placing it on that list. Whether you agree or disagree with what they say, that's what they are doing. You seem to have some problem with the word or some misunderstanding of its meaning. Not sure why it bothers you so much. |
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 28, 2019 1:03:15 GMT
I think he got it exactly wrong, but even if I could agree with that perspective (which, when he explained it was even less understandable) it would still be completely ridiculous to include it on both of those lists. It's conceptually one of the dumbest things I've seen a critic argue for. Okay. But here's the thing: that critic, Owen Gleiberman, doesn't need to argue for anything. That's his opinion piece; he can say whatever he wants. It says "opinion" right in the link. He's not a coach pleading his player's case to NCAA or NFL refs. Personally, I say Gleiberman is being generous, as generous as AV Club was being when they said OUATIH is Quentin Tarantino's wistful mid-life crisis movie, or however they put it. An "argument" doesn't have to have a negative connotation, like two people arguing with each other. In this case, a writer is arguing his case for why a certain movie belongs on a certain list. Opinion and argument are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 1:08:06 GMT
Annabelle Comes Home was a decent to good horror movie. The description they gave as to not liking it just seems as if they're not a fan of horror films in general. Or at least not of the paranormal type.
The rest of the films I haven't even seen. No doubt Cats likely belongs on this list.
Worst film I've likely seen this year that was released this year would probably be Satanic Panic.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 28, 2019 1:15:27 GMT
Okay. But here's the thing: that critic, Owen Gleiberman, doesn't need to argue for anything. That's his opinion piece; he can say whatever he wants. It says "opinion" right in the link. He's not a coach pleading his player's case to NCAA or NFL refs. Personally, I say Gleiberman is being generous, as generous as AV Club was being when they said OUATIH is Quentin Tarantino's wistful mid-life crisis movie, or however they put it. An "argument" doesn't have to have a negative connotation, like two people arguing with each other. In this case, a writer is arguing his case for why a certain movie belongs on a certain list. Opinion and argument are not mutually exclusive. "All literature is protest." Richard Wright I appreciate your post. I'm not stupid and I'm not uneducated, I simply react as well as anyone can be expected to when someone comes out of absolutely nowhere to really gruffly argue that something I just called "exactly right" is "the dumbest thing" he's ever seen. So yeah. Fuck that rude noise. Tarantino is absolute trash. Leo is a bloated corpse of what he was when he was a child actor, can't even pull off an accent, at this point. You know he's doing great when Brad Pitt is the one who steals the show. May I go back to friendly posting and Sports, now? Thanks.
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