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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 15:33:28 GMT
@ volver - the Joel riddle: Had to look, but your answer is wrong... You said:But the puzzle says specifically that: a) "The sum of my sons' ages is 13." b) "The product of their ages [referring to the sons] is 36." Where did the girl come from? The part I was praising had to do with the fact that there are two children (I thought two sons, as I realized I was overthinking the "kids" part) who were both age 6 and one child who was age 1. I thought the solution could be that one of the two twins (age 6) was slightly older than his brother by a few minutes, thus making him (technically) Joel's "oldest son." But Brimfin has now also blown that idea out of the water, so... |
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Post by brimfin on May 6, 2017 15:49:48 GMT
Dinner at 13 puzzle: At first I was hoping everyone had 13 letters in their name excluding the killer. No such luck, though lots of them did.
My guess is that Theodore Smith is the killer, because neither his first or last initials start with one of the first 13 letters of the alphabet (A-M) while all the others do, hence he wasn't part of the pattern. (It fits, but it could be just a coincidence.) George Johnson had just noticed this earlier, so when that man came in and shot him he was amused at the irony and then declared "he was the only one not part of it." He could have just said, "Ted Smith shot me," instead, but where's the mystery in that?
Home run, or caught off base? |
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 15:52:38 GMT
Dinner at 13 puzzle: At first I was hoping everyone had 13 letters in their name excluding the killer. No such luck, though lots of them did.
My guess is that Theodore Smith is the killer, because neither his first or last initials start with one of the first 13 letters of the alphabet (A-M) while all the others do, hence he wasn't part of the pattern. (It fits, but it could be just a coincidence.) George Johnson had just noticed this earlier, so when that man came in and shot him he was amused at the irony and then declared "he was the only one not part of it." He could have just said, "Ted Smith shot me," instead, but where's the mystery in that?
Home run, or caught off base? Off-base, sorry, Brimfin. You are generally on the right track, though... You're absolutely right about George Johnson's being amused at a coincidence he noticed when he looked at the list, though. I'd also like to emphasize that this is a regular kind of pattern, the sort of thing you see every day. That may either help or hinder you, sorry!
By the way... While I did intend the "presidential names" false solution about which I told tarathian123 below, I did not at all intend it that every one of their names starts with one of the first 13 letters of the alphabet. That's very clever, but the solution is simpler than that. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 16:01:51 GMT
Re: Joel puzzle. With regard to the puzzle given (i.e. with hot dog), 9, 2, 2, is more logical than 6, 6, 1, taking in that the eldest son is singular and not doubled. And it fits specifications of the puzzle.
If there is yet another combination that fits both equations... ... I can't see it. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 16:14:54 GMT
13 at Dinner: I take it that the pattern would be recognisable and known outside the US? It's a not a US in-riddle is it? |
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 16:18:37 GMT
13 at Dinner: I take it that the pattern would be recognisable and known outside the US? It's a not a US in-riddle is it? Not at all, everyone will know this one. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 16:21:31 GMT
 Everyone except me. Grrr!!! I was thinking US presidents, but that doesn't fit. No, I'm not phishing :-) |
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 16:30:15 GMT
Everyone except me. Grrr!!! I was thinking US presidents, but that doesn't fit. No, I'm not phishing :-) That is indeed a false solution--probably Paula Vale's--I was hoping people would think of.
But that's not the real solution, which is not at all U.S.A.-centered. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 17:28:40 GMT
Nalkarj - 13 for Dinner. It's got me beat. I just can't see any kind of pattern that would lead to murder, or even give a motive for murder. Indeed, truth to tell, I can't see any kind of pattern at all. I'll have to wait for someone else to come up with the solution. That said, don't tell, even in a spoiler. I'll keep trying, as I'm sure will others.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 17:31:38 GMT
Nalkarj - 13 for Dinner. It's got me beat. I just can't see any kind of pattern that would lead to murder, or even give a motive for murder. Indeed, truth to tell, I can't see any kind of pattern at all. I'll have to wait for someone else to come up with the solution. That said, don't tell, even in a spoiler. I'll keep trying, as I'm sure will others. Not spoiling it, don't worry, but the motive is the money from the Tontine will scheme. Just to clarify. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 17:45:56 GMT
Yes, that's a given, but... ?
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 17:48:25 GMT
Don't worry, you can look. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 17:56:29 GMT
Not so much the motive for the pattern, but the motive from the pattern. The motive has to be money (i.e. the tontine), rather than power or sex, but the names on the list mean nothing to me. Nor the professions. Any one of them could be in the tontine (including the lawyer and the retired guy), and all could be members of the 13 club. I just can't get past a pattern I can't figure out or see. But someone will figure it out |
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 18:03:11 GMT
Not so much the motive for the pattern, but the motive from the pattern. The motive has to be money (i.e. the tontine), rather than power or sex, but the names on the list mean nothing to me. I just can't get past a pattern I can't figure out or see. But someone will figure it out OK, got it; I was just a bit confused on what you meant. No worries! |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 18:06:27 GMT
I edited the last spoiler.
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Post by brimfin on May 6, 2017 18:16:18 GMT
13 at Dinner: I got it. I got it. I'd been concentrating so much on 13. Then, I finally thought that if one didn't fit, what were there 12 of? After eliminating the apostles (no apostle Bruce, for sure) and the 12 days of Christmas, (zero matches on that) I tried the 12 months of the year. That was it. 12 of their last names matched the first letters of the 12 months of the year. Hal Quincy was the name that didn't fit; hence he was the killer. Very clever.
By the way, the Presidential names idea had crossed my mind, but there weren't nearly enough to fit that. |
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 18:16:35 GMT
Oh! Just to clarify... They are all members of the Club. But Johnson saw that certain kind of pattern there that... I'll say no more. |
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Post by Nalkarj on May 6, 2017 18:19:50 GMT
13 at Dinner: I got it. I got it. I'd been concentrating so much on 13. Then, I finally thought that if one didn't fit, what were there 12 of? After eliminating the apostles (no apostle Bruce, for sure) and the 12 days of Christmas, (zero matches on that) I tried the 12 months of the year. That was it. 12 of their last names matched the first letters of the 12 months of the year. Hal Quincy was the name that didn't fit; hence he was the killer. Very clever.
By the way, the Presidential names idea had crossed my mind, but there weren't nearly enough to fit that. Excellent work, Brimfin! Yes, indeed, I tried to put in all the references to thirteen to cause the reader to think in that direction. As for the presidential names... That was Paula's solution, but--yes--there weren't nearly enough to fit that. |
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Post by brimfin on May 6, 2017 18:22:18 GMT
Re: Joel puzzle. With regard to the puzzle given (i.e. with hot dog), 9, 2, 2, is more logical than 6, 6, 1, taking in that the eldest son is singular and not doubled. And it fits specifications of the puzzle.
If there is yet another combination that fits both equations... ... I can't see it. Actually, you don't need to find another combination, you've already solved the puzzle. When you gave me the first answer, you concentrated on the hot dog angle as the final piece. I was looking for the eldest singular versus doubled piece as the reasoning for your answer. So you already have it right. I will wait until salzmank either solves it or gives up and then give you my extra wrinkle.
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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 18:29:14 GMT
brimfin Nicely worked out, but because his name doesn't fit the initials of the months how does "He’s the only one not part of it" fit in? Are to we assume he's the murderer because of that. Very flimsy. A good lawyer would make mincemeat of it.
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Everyone except me. Grrr!!!