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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 15:47:34 GMT
own religion? I dont subscribe to Catholicism btw.
"The use of all things that is found in this world ought to be common to all men . Only the most manifest inquiry makes one say to the other, "this belongs to me, that to you" Hence the origin of contention among men" - St Clement
"The earth of which they are born is common to all, and therefore te fruit that the earth bring forth belongs without distriction to all" - St Gregory the great
"Nature furnishes its wealth to all men in common. God beneficially has created all thing that heir enjoyment be e common to all living things ad that the earth become te common possession of all" - St Ambrose
"What thing do you call 'yours'? What thing are you able to say is yours? From whom have you recieved it? You speak and act like one who upon an occasion of going early to the threatre and possessing himself without an obstacle of the seats destined for the remainders of te public, pretends to oppose ther entrance in due time, and to prohibit them seating themselves, arrogating to his own sole use property that is really destined to common use. And it is precisely in this manner ac the rich" - St Basil the great
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 16:17:55 GMT
Religious belief is not political ideology.
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 16:19:56 GMT
Religious belief is not political ideology. I know but they can overlap, would you not agree?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 21, 2017 16:30:05 GMT
Religious belief is not political ideology. I don't think anyone is claiming that it is. HOWEVER comma religious belief certainly influences political ideology! And nowhere is this more evident in western civilization than in the good ole US of A. There is a reason why many politicians pander to certain groups of constituents (evangelicals mostly).
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Post by Catman on Apr 21, 2017 16:45:31 GMT
Paul Ryan subscribes to the philosophy of Ayn Rand.
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 16:46:14 GMT
Paul Ryan subscribes to the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Seriously? Lol
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 17:04:50 GMT
Religious belief is not political ideology. I know but they can overlap, would you not agree? Not in regard to a mandatory philosophy.
That would require identical overlap which would mean that the political side and religious side are identical which is impossible and especially with socialism which doesn't tend to concern itself with belief in the first place.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 17:11:06 GMT
Religious belief is not political ideology. I don't think anyone is claiming that it is. HOWEVER comma religious belief certainly influences political ideology! And nowhere is this more evident in western civilization than in the good ole US of A. There is a reason why many politicians pander to certain groups of constituents (evangelicals mostly). That's not the point. Of course religious people will influence the politics that influence them.
The point is that political ideology is not so significant as to mandate a religion tie itself to it.
Most religion will adapt just fine to whatever political standard is the law of the land.
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 17:18:30 GMT
I know but they can overlap, would you not agree? Not in regard to a mandatory philosophy.
That would require identical overlap which would mean that the political side and religious side are identical which is impossible and especially with socialism which doesn't tend to concern itself with belief in the first place.
Well I wouldn't call socialism a philosophy but even if god himself said in the bible socialism is to be implemented you wouldn't become a socialist? That doesnt seem consistent with some of your other beliefs (homosexuality is a sin therefore it is bad for example)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 17:29:51 GMT
PanLeoNot following. There would be no reason for God to say this and I think this is the part non-religious don't get. Although some may do this, there's no reason to blindly follow anything without reason. For example, immorality, including homosexuality, isn't wrong just because it's a sin which is a circular statement. Likewise, socialism isn't the preferred religious political movement just because it talks about sharing stuff which would be a Christian standard whether socialism existed or not.
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 17:33:57 GMT
PanLeoNot following. There would be no reason for God to say this and I think this is the part non-religious don't get. Although some may do this, there's no reason to blindly follow anything without reason. For example, immorality, including homosexuality, isn't wrong just because it's a sin which is a circular statement. Likewise, socialism isn't the preferred religious political movement just because it talks about sharing stuff which would be a Christian standard whether socialism existed or not. You said there is no mandatory "philosophy" in religion. You called socialism a philosophy. I was just saying how that statement is not true in principle as if someone believes in the teachings of the bible because they are the word of god and the bible said socialism is the best way to organise society. In accordance with their own religion they must be a socialist. I was under the impression you followed the teachings of the bible because it was god's word. If socialism was a teaching of the bible would you not subscribe to it?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 21, 2017 17:38:06 GMT
I don't think anyone is claiming that it is. HOWEVER comma religious belief certainly influences political ideology! And nowhere is this more evident in western civilization than in the good ole US of A. There is a reason why many politicians pander to certain groups of constituents (evangelicals mostly). That's not the point. Of course religious people will influence the politics that influence them.
The point is that political ideology is not so significant as to mandate a religion tie itself to it.
Most religion will adapt just fine to whatever political standard is the law of the land.
That's true, but again...nobody is suggesting that in the first place. The OPs question is asking about what the religion actually requires in accordance with its own teachings, not whether or not it has to tie itself to a political ideology. While socialism is a political ideology, many of the central elements of socialism seem to be rooted in Christianity (or at least inspired by it and other like religious teachings).
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Post by blade on Apr 21, 2017 17:45:53 GMT
The only thing Catholics must follow are moral imperatives. i.e. anything God/the bible {or the Pope} says we must follow or face death/die. i.e. spiritual death.
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 17:55:07 GMT
The only thing Catholics must follow are moral imperatives. i.e. anything God/the bible {or the Pope} says we must follow or face death/die. i.e. spiritual death. Does the words of multiple saints mean nothing?
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Post by blade on Apr 21, 2017 18:11:23 GMT
The only thing Catholics must follow are moral imperatives. i.e. anything God/the bible {or the Pope} says we must follow or face death/die. i.e. spiritual death. Does the words of multiple saints mean nothing? You needed to ask that twice?
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 18:45:38 GMT
Does the words of multiple saints mean nothing? You needed to ask that twice? Why don't they mean anything?
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Post by blade on Apr 21, 2017 18:52:32 GMT
You needed to ask that twice? Why don't they mean anything? WHen did I say the words of saints dont mean anything? Why is someone always trying to put words in my mouth?
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 21, 2017 19:04:29 GMT
Why don't they mean anything? WHen did I say the words of saints dont mean anything? Why is someone always trying to put words in my mouth? What do you believe regarding what saints say then?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 21, 2017 19:11:33 GMT
Why don't they mean anything? WHen did I say the words of saints dont mean anything? Why is someone always trying to put words in my mouth? Probably because you have a propensity to: 1) leave your answers very vague and cryptic, 2) answer questions with questions, and 3) avoid questions altogether, leaving everyone else to assume what you meant. Perhaps if you were a little more direct with your answers, and a little less fearful about being honest you wouldn't see this as much.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2017 19:20:34 GMT
captainbryceNot sure about that. The question was: Sounds pretty absolute which is why my answer was what it was.
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