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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2020 17:56:14 GMT
no I do not, but statistically speaking Endgame had every right to expect that. It's the highest grossing movie before inflation, right? The previous title holders, like "Avatar" and "Titanic" got showered in nominations. Avatar got 9 noms alone, and several wins. Titanic 13 noms and 10 awards. Also, final chapters of big franchises like "RotR: The Return of the King" got plenty too: 12 nominations and 11 wins! Hell, this year even Star Wars 9: Fall of Skywalker got 3 (three) nominations, and this one is an utter mess, arguably worse than Endgame IMHO. The Joker situation (11, eleven, noms) only adds insult to injury, I guess, and wasn't this one the most profitable CBM ever, and highest grossing R-rated too (not that I care)? There is always a consolation price.  |
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 20, 2020 18:08:50 GMT
I think Tommy Wiseau and Neill Breen should make a movie together Breen can be Sentry and Wiseau can be Banner. It won’t be the worst Marvel film. Plants in your living room are healthy |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 20, 2020 18:12:00 GMT
DC-Fan gets banned, but there's still some trolls infesting this forum.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 20, 2020 18:15:57 GMT
no I do not, but statistically speaking Endgame had every right to expect that. It's the highest grossing movie before inflation, right? The previous title holders, like "Avatar" and "Titanic" got showered in nominations. Avatar got 9 noms alone, and several wins. Titanic 13 noms and 10 awards. Also, final chapters of big franchises like "RotR: The Return of the King" got plenty too: 12 nominations and 11 wins! Hell, this year even Star Wars 9: Fall of Skywalker got 3 (three) nominations, and this one is an utter mess, arguably worse than Endgame IMHO. The Joker situation (11, eleven, noms) only adds insult to injury, I guess, and wasn't this one the most profitable CBM ever, and highest grossing R-rated too (not that I care)? There is always a consolation price. And before Titanic, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation, and that wasn't nominated for Best Picture. And you were awfully quiet last year's awards season when Black Panther was racking up awards. Don't forget, Black Panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 18:19:20 GMT
DC-Fan gets banned, but there's still some trolls infesting this forum. What finally got him banned, anyway? The millionth thread with an identical negative premise? Admin decided language like, "But MCU fans are too dumb to realize..." was not conducive to intelligent conversation?
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 20, 2020 18:28:07 GMT
no I do not, but statistically speaking Endgame had every right to expect that. It's the highest grossing movie before inflation, right? The previous title holders, like "Avatar" and "Titanic" got showered in nominations. Avatar got 9 noms alone, and several wins. Titanic 13 noms and 10 awards. Also, final chapters of big franchises like "RotR: The Return of the King" got plenty too: 12 nominations and 11 wins! Hell, this year even Star Wars 9: Fall of Skywalker got 3 (three) nominations, and this one is an utter mess, arguably worse than Endgame IMHO. The Joker situation (11, eleven, noms) only adds insult to injury, I guess, and wasn't this one the most profitable CBM ever, and highest grossing R-rated too (not that I care)? There is always a consolation price. And before Titanic, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation, and that wasn't nominated for Best Picture. And you were awfully quiet last year's awards season when Black Panther was racking up awards. Don't forget, Black Panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture. And remember, Warner Brothers is probably not going to get all that money because, from what I remember, they only financed something like half of $55 million budget. |
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 20, 2020 18:29:25 GMT
DC-Fan gets banned, but there's still some trolls infesting this forum. What finally got him banned, anyway? The millionth thread with an identical negative premise? Admin decided language like, "But MCU fans are too dumb to realize..." was not conducive to intelligent conversation?  DC-Fan hijacked 1 or 2 of my threads and proceeded to polluting it/them. |
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Post by sostie on Jan 20, 2020 18:29:47 GMT
He was never on the project...some spin made out he was. He said it in a director's roundtable He was asked years ago to consider it, mainly because the studio thought it was surefire way to get DiCaprio for the role. But the recent film, which touted Scorsese as being involved, was apparently no more than a brief chat with Todd Phillips and an offer to produce which he turned down.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 18:31:23 GMT
And before Titanic, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation, and that wasn't nominated for Best Picture. And you were awfully quiet last year's awards season when Black Panther was racking up awards. Don't forget, Black Panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture. Has there been another one? Joker isn't a CBM. It's a film based on comic book IP. It's a great film by the way, even as an homage to Taxi Driver. But calling it a CBM is like calling Road To Perdition (which is in my all time top 5 by the way) a CBM because it's adapted from a graphic novel. It doesn't feel like a CBM, it certainly isn't trying to be one. I don't think it's Best Picture worthy, but I didn't think Black Panther deserved a BP nom, either. Joker should be commended for its bold attempt to extrapolate a meditation on mental illness in America using the Batman mythos as a subtle backdrop. It shows the potential of comic book properties, it doesn't really show the potential of CBMs. Hell, TDK is still a better example of a Batman story raising the bar for comic book filmmaking.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 18:33:14 GMT
What finally got him banned, anyway? The millionth thread with an identical negative premise? Admin decided language like, "But MCU fans are too dumb to realize..." was not conducive to intelligent conversation? DC-Fan hijacked 1 or 2 of my threads and proceeded to polluting it/them. He's been doing that since he joined this site, on multiple boards no less. I wonder what it was that they decided went too far? Unfortunately I don't think it's a permanent ban.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 20, 2020 18:38:55 GMT
And before Titanic, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation, and that wasn't nominated for Best Picture. And you were awfully quiet last year's awards season when Black Panther was racking up awards. Don't forget, Black Panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture. Has there been another one? Joker isn't a CBM. It's a film based on comic book IP. It's a great film by the way, even as an homage to Taxi Driver. But calling it a CBM is like calling Road To Perdition (which is in my all time top 5 by the way) a CBM because it's adapted from a graphic novel. It doesn't feel like a CBM, it certainly isn't trying to be one. I don't think it's Best Picture worthy, but I didn't think Black Panther deserved a BP nom, either. Joker should be commended for its bold attempt to extrapolate a meditation on mental illness in America using the Batman mythos as a subtle backdrop. It shows the potential of comic book properties, it doesn't really show the potential of CBMs. Hell, TDK is still a better example of a Batman story raising the bar for comic book filmmaking.        I count Joker as a comic book movie because it features a comic book character. Same goes for Road to Perdition, at least for me. I respect your opinion. Me personally, O thought Black Panther deserved its nomination 100%. I felt like Ryan Coogler and Kevin Feige took it as a different approach from all the other CBMs, and wanted to make a political statement about isolation vs globalism. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 20, 2020 18:39:59 GMT
DC-Fan hijacked 1 or 2 of my threads and proceeded to polluting it/them. He's been doing that since he joined this site, on multiple boards no less. I wonder what it was that they decided went too far? Unfortunately I don't think it's a permanent ban.  According to scabab, it's permanent. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 18:42:46 GMT
He's been doing that since he joined this site, on multiple boards no less. I wonder what it was that they decided went too far? Unfortunately I don't think it's a permanent ban. According to scabab, it's permanent. I certainly hope so. I just thought their account was wiped when they got perma-banned. He still has a posting history, etc.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 20, 2020 18:45:51 GMT
According to scabab, it's permanent. I certainly hope so. I just thought their account was wiped when they got perma-banned. He still has a posting history, etc.    His posting history will remain. Banned users history remain on the site. Deleted members history gets deleted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 18:58:05 GMT
And before Titanic, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation, and that wasn't nominated for Best Picture. And you were awfully quiet last year's awards season when Black Panther was racking up awards. Don't forget, Black Panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture. Has there been another one? Joker isn't a CBM. It's a film based on comic book IP. It's a great film by the way, even as an homage to Taxi Driver. But calling it a CBM is like calling Road To Perdition (which is in my all time top 5 by the way) a CBM because it's adapted from a graphic novel. It doesn't feel like a CBM, it certainly isn't trying to be one. I don't think it's Best Picture worthy, but I didn't think Black Panther deserved a BP nom, either. Joker should be commended for its bold attempt to extrapolate a meditation on mental illness in America using the Batman mythos as a subtle backdrop. It shows the potential of comic book properties, it doesn't really show the potential of CBMs. Hell, TDK is still a better example of a Batman story raising the bar for comic book filmmaking. I have to admit I disagree. I think Joker's definitely a comic book movie. It's about a comic book character in a comic book setting. If we're being honest I don't know what else it has to do to be considered one. It felt like a comic book movie to me, but that's also a testament to what I've been saying all along and why I so viscerally disagreed with Martin Scorsese's comments. A comic book film can be anything. It can have any tone, any color scheme, deal with virtually any abstract concepts. It's all in the packaging.
I don't consider it a theme park movie but it is by Martin Scorsese's definition because he spoke too soon about what comic book films have to be.
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Post by sostie on Jan 20, 2020 19:07:53 GMT
The Joker situation (11, eleven, noms) only adds insult to injury, I guess, Not really. I don't recall anyone saying Endgame would clean up at te Oscars, and the majority of MCU fans here were positive about Joker. In relation to Return Of Investment yes. It made 19.4 times it's production budget - small fry compared to the overall list...the 20th film in the list of the most profitable ROI - 64.4 times it's budget (Unfriended) As for actual profit Joker BO $1,066,591,255 - Budget $55,000,000 Profit $ 1,011,591,255 Endgame BO $2,797,800,564 - Budget $ 400,000,000 Profit $2,397,800,564
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 19:09:00 GMT
Has there been another one? Joker isn't a CBM. It's a film based on comic book IP. It's a great film by the way, even as an homage to Taxi Driver. But calling it a CBM is like calling Road To Perdition (which is in my all time top 5 by the way) a CBM because it's adapted from a graphic novel. It doesn't feel like a CBM, it certainly isn't trying to be one. I don't think it's Best Picture worthy, but I didn't think Black Panther deserved a BP nom, either. Joker should be commended for its bold attempt to extrapolate a meditation on mental illness in America using the Batman mythos as a subtle backdrop. It shows the potential of comic book properties, it doesn't really show the potential of CBMs. Hell, TDK is still a better example of a Batman story raising the bar for comic book filmmaking. I have to admit I disagree. I think Joker's definitely a comic book movie. It's about a comic book character in a comic book setting. If we're being honest I don't know what else it has to do to be considered one. It felt like a comic book movie to me, but that's also a testament to what I've been saying all along and why I so viscerally disagreed with Martin Scorsese's comments. A comic book film can be anything. It can have any tone, any color scheme, deal with virtually any abstract concepts. It's all in the packaging.
I don't consider it a theme park movie but it is by Martin Scorsese's definition because he spoke too soon about what comic book films have to be.
Neither the character nor the world he inhabits are particularly stylized in any way. Nobody has super powers, gadgets or costumes. If you want to argue on principle that it's a CBM I wouldn't disagree, since it's based on comic book IP. I disagree with this notion, but I wouldn't argue it. But I don't see how it could 'feel like a comic book movie' when it makes no attempt to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 19:50:02 GMT
I have to admit I disagree. I think Joker's definitely a comic book movie. It's about a comic book character in a comic book setting. If we're being honest I don't know what else it has to do to be considered one. It felt like a comic book movie to me, but that's also a testament to what I've been saying all along and why I so viscerally disagreed with Martin Scorsese's comments. A comic book film can be anything. It can have any tone, any color scheme, deal with virtually any abstract concepts. It's all in the packaging.
I don't consider it a theme park movie but it is by Martin Scorsese's definition because he spoke too soon about what comic book films have to be.
Neither the character nor the world he inhabits are particularly stylized in any way. Nobody has super powers, gadgets or costumes. If you want to argue on principle that it's a CBM I wouldn't disagree, since it's based on comic book IP. I disagree with this notion, but I wouldn't argue it. But I don't see how it could 'feel like a comic book movie' when it makes no attempt to do so. Perhaps it's a burden of doubt for me. They're characters from a comic book movie, ergo it feels like a comic book movie. Once that's the premise, the follow-through could be anything. Captain America Winter Soldier...probably has more elements considered required by the genre comparable to other material, but part of its staying power (in my opinion) is it took the time to indulge themes of over surveillance, fear, preemptive strikes against terrorism and who's really in charge of initiatives like this and wrapped it in a Captain America movie.
Thor Ragnarok is another one (I think) that deals with hereditary rule, toxic colonialism and what it means to leave it behind to save a people all packaged into a Thor movie. Part of their brilliance (I think) is making them so entertaining and fun it can get away with below surface themes without being pretentious.
To be fair too, I didn't factor style or aesthetic into what it means to be a comic book movie, but I do think the best of them raise questions that linger in the real world.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 20, 2020 20:04:26 GMT
Neither the character nor the world he inhabits are particularly stylized in any way. Nobody has super powers, gadgets or costumes. If you want to argue on principle that it's a CBM I wouldn't disagree, since it's based on comic book IP. I disagree with this notion, but I wouldn't argue it. But I don't see how it could 'feel like a comic book movie' when it makes no attempt to do so. Perhaps it's a burden of doubt for me. They're characters from a comic book movie, ergo it feels like a comic book movie. Once that's the premise, the follow-through could be anything. Captain America Winter Soldier...probably has more elements considered required by the genre comparable to other material, but part of its staying power (in my opinion) is it took the time to indulge themes of over surveillance, fear, preemptive strikes against terrorism and who's really in charge of initiatives like this and wrapped it in a Captain America movie.
Thor Ragnarok is another one (I think) that deals with hereditary rule, toxic colonialism and what it means to leave it behind to save a people all packaged into a Thor movie. Part of their brilliance (I think) is making them so entertaining and fun it can get away with below surface themes without being pretentious.
To be fair too, I didn't factor style or aesthetic into what it means to be a comic book movie, but I do think the best of them raise questions that linger in the real world.
I'm with Rey Kahuka on this. The movie is about a character that based on a cbm, but that character doesn't even share much similarities with comic Joker. Pretty much the ONLY thing that movie has which is derived from the comics is the name. Nothing else, neither the personality, characteristics, back story, action, etc. seem remotely comic booky. If I made a movie about a character named Tony Stark who's an alcoholic who gets called Ironman because he won the Ironman triathlon competition, would that be considered a comicbook movie? I doubt it.
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