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Post by politicidal on Jan 22, 2020 23:07:01 GMT
Due to it stripping out the superhero/supervillian element, with only a cursory connection remaining. All well and good ... unless you're a superhero fan. It can do that and still be a comic book movie. Superhero movie is stretching it because the story doesn't lean that way (or incorporate a superhero) but a comic book character is the source material.
I learned from watching it what I've been saying to Martin Scorsese all along: don't shut the door on the potential of comic book films, a comic book film can be anything. The genre's alive and evolving.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 22, 2020 23:14:11 GMT
Remember when Black Panther was up for Oscars and won Several and the MCU hater trolls whined and b!tched about it, even claimed that Feige/Disney bought off the Academy voters to win them just last year??? Yup, I remember specifically a certain someone was saying Black Panther only got in simply using the race card and not by its own merits. Even though last year there were 2 other "black' films, Blackkklansman and Green Book.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 23:18:35 GMT
It can do that and still be a comic book movie. Superhero movie is stretching it because the story doesn't lean that way (or incorporate a superhero) but a comic book character is the source material.
I learned from watching it what I've been saying to Martin Scorsese all along: don't shut the door on the potential of comic book films, a comic book film can be anything. The genre's alive and evolving.
Here here! ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif)
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 23, 2020 0:03:27 GMT
And before Titanic, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation, and that wasn't nominated for Best Picture. And you were awfully quiet last year's awards season when Black Panther was racking up awards. Don't forget, Black Panther is the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture. Has there been another one? Joker isn't a CBM. It's a film based on comic book IP. It's a great film by the way, even as an homage to Taxi Driver. But calling it a CBM is like calling Road To Perdition (which is in my all time top 5 by the way) a CBM because it's adapted from a graphic novel. It doesn't feel like a CBM, it certainly isn't trying to be one. I don't think it's Best Picture worthy, but I didn't think Black Panther deserved a BP nom, either. Joker should be commended for its bold attempt to extrapolate a meditation on mental illness in America using the Batman mythos as a subtle backdrop. It shows the potential of comic book properties, it doesn't really show the potential of CBMs. Hell, TDK is still a better example of a Batman story raising the bar for comic book filmmaking. Back before I sold my most of my physical media and just went digital, I did put Road to Perdition in the Comic Book/Graphic Novel section... I had a weird filing system.
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 23, 2020 9:07:01 GMT
Remember when Black Panther was up for Oscars and won Several and the MCU hater trolls whined and b!tched about it, even claimed that Feige/Disney bought off the Academy voters to win them just last year??? Yup, I remember specifically a certain someone was saying Black Panther only got in simply using the race card and not by its own merits. Even though last year there were 2 other "black' films, Blackkklansman and Green Book. And again, Green Book is actually one of the worst-reviewed Best Picture winners of all time, so if anything, nominating that film for Best Picture was more agenda-driven than nominating Black Panther for the same award.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Jan 24, 2020 3:21:36 GMT
But there's no single, definitive incarnation of the Joker. No more than there is of Batman. Cesar Romero's Joker was a prancing crime boss, Nicholson's was a darker, mutilated version of same. Ledger's Joker was a terrorist and an anarchist with no back story whatsoever. With that in mind, I fail to see what invalidates this film's interpretation of the character. No superhero. Well technically, it's a supervillain origin movie as opposed to a superhero movie. That in no way invalidates its presentation of the character.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 24, 2020 10:59:53 GMT
Well technically, it's a supervillain origin movie as opposed to a superhero movie. That in no way invalidates its presentation of the character. Not much of a supervillian, either.
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Post by thenolan on Feb 7, 2020 3:11:40 GMT
endgame is not winning for visual effects. 1917 takes it.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 10, 2020 4:52:06 GMT
But there's no single, definitive incarnation of the Joker. No more than there is of Batman. Cesar Romero's Joker was a prancing crime boss, Nicholson's was a darker, mutilated version of same. Ledger's Joker was a terrorist and an anarchist with no back story whatsoever. With that in mind, I fail to see what invalidates this film's interpretation of the character. No superhero. I have a question. What was your previous username?
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Post by thenolan on Feb 12, 2020 7:28:39 GMT
cartoon looking comic films don't win for visual effects. congrats 1917.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 12, 2020 7:33:13 GMT
cartoon looking comic films don't win for visual effects. congrats 1917. 1917 didn't even look like it should've been nominated for Best Visual Effects. Its cinematography was excellent and it certainly deserved winning Best Cinematography, but Best Visual Effects? Either Alita: Battle Angel or Spider-Man: Far from Home should've been nominated instead.
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Post by miike80 on Feb 12, 2020 8:52:54 GMT
I remember when Joker was supposed to win big. It won in the only categories where it deserved to be nominated
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