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Post by darkpast on Jan 23, 2020 6:16:50 GMT
So far in 2020 they lost the director of Doctor Strange and the team behind the billion dollar Captain Marvel are not coming back. Has Feige become to hard to work with since Disney has given him unlimited power? All thoughts welcome.  |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 23, 2020 15:15:37 GMT
No, they don't.
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Post by kevin on Jan 23, 2020 15:29:31 GMT
They probably will be able to get another director relatively easily, so I don't think they have a director problem in the sense that you describe it. But I do think there's a more fundamental problem about the way Marvel (and by extension other franchises such as Star Wars and DC) works, even though I think it's most notable with Marvel. The shared universe craze has gone way too far imo to the point where movies feel like statistics and ploys in order for other movies to work, it's more of a machine than a movie. That's why I think movies like Joker or series like The Mandalorian feel so refreshing. Even though The Mandalorian is set in a shared universe, it feels relatively stand-alone. It feels like it's own story. There are references to other stories (which is great, it's not that I have an issue with the concept of referencing other material), it still feels like the story it's telling is more important than the stories it references from time to time. The need to make sure every movie references every other movie, while to be fair quite impressive from a logistical standpoint, has changed from a fun idea into a management monster for Marvel. Of course movies need to be consistent with each other, but with more than 20 installments in the MCU (many of which take place during the same time) I think we're reaching the limit of how big one story can be. And now they are limiting the directorial freedom of many projects and it's just unfortunate that the MCU movies are becoming more and more by-the-numbers. It's the reason why I can't imagine the current idea of the MCU remaining as popular for another 10 years, after a while it just becomes too much. Not talking about Marvel btw, just the concept of an extremely self-referential shared universe. I don't want to comment to soon though, maybe they'll move in a more independent direction now that the 'Infinity Saga' is officially done. It's why I like the idea of new properties in these franchises being either distant in time or at least not as much referencing other movies during its own runtime. I can understand why people like it, I like it as well as a big fan of worldbuilding. But I think that at this point it's become so big that it limits the original vision of movies within the MCU too much. I think this is also the reason that f.e. Guardians of the Galaxy was such a big hit, in the midst of the spiderweb of the shared universe it truly felt like it's own story while still set in the same overarching universe. Just remember that it's just my opinion  . |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 23, 2020 16:42:12 GMT
They probably will be able to get another director relatively easily, so I don't think they have a director problem in the sense that you describe it. But I do think there's a more fundamental problem about the way Marvel (and by extension other franchises such as Star Wars and DC) works, even though I think it's most notable with Marvel. The shared universe craze has gone way too far imo to the point where movies feel like statistics and ploys in order for other movies to work, it's more of a machine than a movie. That's why I think movies like Joker or series like The Mandalorian feel so refreshing. Even though The Mandalorian is set in a shared universe, it feels relatively stand-alone. It feels like it's own story. There are references to other stories (which is great, it's not that I have an issue with the concept of referencing other material), it still feels like the story it's telling is more important than the stories it references from time to time. The need to make sure every movie references every other movie, while to be fair quite impressive from a logistical standpoint, has changed from a fun idea into a management monster for Marvel. Of course movies need to be consistent with each other, but with more than 20 installments in the MCU (many of which take place during the same time) I think we're reaching the limit of how big one story can be. And now they are limiting the directorial freedom of many projects and it's just unfortunate that the MCU movies are becoming more and more by-the-numbers. It's the reason why I can't imagine the current idea of the MCU remaining as popular for another 10 years, after a while it just becomes too much. Not talking about Marvel btw, just the concept of an extremely self-referential shared universe. I don't want to comment to soon though, maybe they'll move in a more independent direction now that the 'Infinity Saga' is officially done. It's why I like the idea of new properties in these franchises being either distant in time or at least not as much referencing other movies during its own runtime. I can understand why people like it, I like it as well as a big fan of worldbuilding. But I think that at this point it's become so big that it limits the original vision of movies within the MCU too much. I think this is also the reason that f.e. Guardians of the Galaxy was such a big hit, in the midst of the spiderweb of the shared universe it truly felt like it's own story while still set in the same overarching universe. Just remember that it's just my opinion . Comicbooks have been doing the shared universe concept for decades, the MCU is just trying to apply it to cinema. And while it is indeed difficult to do, I don't think it should be discouraged. It's not like there are too many others who're able to do the same so we're not in danger of oversaturation. The "director problem" of the MCU is not really a result of their interconnected universe but due mostly to their staggering amount of movies. When you have around 25 movies in a single franchise, you'd expect some creative differences and political issues here and there. |
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Post by politicidal on Jan 23, 2020 17:19:54 GMT
Hardly. On the DC side, the Flash movie alone has had more directors circling it than the MCU's total losses combined.
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Post by kevin on Jan 23, 2020 17:27:58 GMT
They probably will be able to get another director relatively easily, so I don't think they have a director problem in the sense that you describe it. But I do think there's a more fundamental problem about the way Marvel (and by extension other franchises such as Star Wars and DC) works, even though I think it's most notable with Marvel. The shared universe craze has gone way too far imo to the point where movies feel like statistics and ploys in order for other movies to work, it's more of a machine than a movie. That's why I think movies like Joker or series like The Mandalorian feel so refreshing. Even though The Mandalorian is set in a shared universe, it feels relatively stand-alone. It feels like it's own story. There are references to other stories (which is great, it's not that I have an issue with the concept of referencing other material), it still feels like the story it's telling is more important than the stories it references from time to time. The need to make sure every movie references every other movie, while to be fair quite impressive from a logistical standpoint, has changed from a fun idea into a management monster for Marvel. Of course movies need to be consistent with each other, but with more than 20 installments in the MCU (many of which take place during the same time) I think we're reaching the limit of how big one story can be. And now they are limiting the directorial freedom of many projects and it's just unfortunate that the MCU movies are becoming more and more by-the-numbers. It's the reason why I can't imagine the current idea of the MCU remaining as popular for another 10 years, after a while it just becomes too much. Not talking about Marvel btw, just the concept of an extremely self-referential shared universe. I don't want to comment to soon though, maybe they'll move in a more independent direction now that the 'Infinity Saga' is officially done. It's why I like the idea of new properties in these franchises being either distant in time or at least not as much referencing other movies during its own runtime. I can understand why people like it, I like it as well as a big fan of worldbuilding. But I think that at this point it's become so big that it limits the original vision of movies within the MCU too much. I think this is also the reason that f.e. Guardians of the Galaxy was such a big hit, in the midst of the spiderweb of the shared universe it truly felt like it's own story while still set in the same overarching universe. Just remember that it's just my opinion . Comicbooks have been doing the shared universe concept for decades, the MCU is just trying to apply it to cinema. And while it is indeed difficult to do, I don't think it should be discouraged. It's not like there are too many others who're able to do the same so we're not in danger of oversaturation. The "director problem" of the MCU is not really a result of their interconnected universe but due mostly to their staggering amount of movies. When you have around 25 movies in a single franchise, you'd expect some creative differences and political issues here and there. I agree, there isn't anything about the core concept of a shared universe that has to cause director & creative conflicts. It's because of how huge the MCU has become (25 movies as you mentioned) and how most movies take place in a very narrow timespan, making it exponentially more difficult to prevent any issues. Even though I must give credit for how well they're handling it, most franchises can't even handle 5 movies or something like that.
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Post by Archelaus on Jan 23, 2020 17:53:31 GMT
It's not nearly as bad as it is with Star Wars and the revolving door of directors that have come and gone for the Flash movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 24, 2020 2:56:40 GMT
No, because the Marvel Cinematic Universe has never been director driven, it has and will always be producer driven. Directors can come in and add their flare all they like but the one they have to report to is Kevin Feige who is very hands on and has a blue print to follow.
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