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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 31, 2020 15:07:28 GMT
Any Given Sunday is not your traditional sports movie. Writer-director Oliver Stone, no stranger to controversy, wanted to make an authentic, unfiltered look at the world of professional football. But the film’s depictions of drug-fueled partying, fighting, and questionable player safety led to a battle with the NFL — which was only the beginning of the war for Stone, his A-list stars Al Pacino, Cameron Diaz, and Jamie Foxx, and a supporting cast of pro ballers-turned-actors. Just in time for Super Bowl LIV, EW brings you the tales behind the gritty gridiron film that the NFL tried to spike, as told by the players themselves. ew.com/movies/20https://ew.com/movies/2020/01/22/any-given-sunday-oral-history/20/01/22/any-given-sunday-oral-history/ |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 31, 2020 15:15:27 GMT
The idea that anyone considers Any Given Sunday 'authentic' is completely ridiculous, but I have seen it a million times despite not thinking it's really any good. There's entertainment to be found there, but it's completely absurd.
I feel like I shouldn't care, but I'll definitely be reading this today.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 31, 2020 15:21:57 GMT
Never saw it.
But Pacino's voice gives me chills at 1:07 of this clip:
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 31, 2020 15:35:30 GMT
"oral" heh heh heh heh heh heh heh
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 31, 2020 16:18:06 GMT
The idea that anyone considers Any Given Sunday 'authentic' is completely ridiculous, but I have seen it a million times despite not thinking it's really any good. There's entertainment to be found there, but it's completely absurd. I feel like I shouldn't care, but I'll definitely be reading this today. Which part didn't you think was realistic? The alligator in the showers? Cutting a car in half at a party? A guy getting hit so hard one of his eyes pops out of his head? A pro football expansion team in Albuquerque? As a kind of caricature of the world of pro football, I think it's a blast. As a film, what makes it interesting to me is that all the central characters are in a moment of transition in their lives; some for the better, some for the worse. How they deal with that transition reveals the value they give to the roles they worked hard to attain-- personally and professionally. Everyone has to sacrifice a part of their soul to achieve the next level of advancement. Some seem to recognize it as it's happening and struggle accordingly, while others are oblivious or all too eager to advance (or maintain) to care.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 31, 2020 16:33:29 GMT
The idea that anyone considers Any Given Sunday 'authentic' is completely ridiculous, but I have seen it a million times despite not thinking it's really any good. There's entertainment to be found there, but it's completely absurd. I feel like I shouldn't care, but I'll definitely be reading this today. Which part didn't you think was realistic? The alligator in the showers? Cutting a car in half at a party? A guy getting hit so hard one of his eyes pops out of his head? A pro football expansion team in Albuquerque? As a kind of caricature of the world of pro football, I think it's a blast. As a film, what makes it interesting to me is that all the central characters are in a moment of transition in their lives; some for the better, some for the worse. How they deal with that transition reveals the value they give to the roles they worked hard to attain-- personally and professionally. Everyone has to sacrifice a part of their soul to achieve the next level of advancement. Some seem to recognize it as it's happening and struggle accordingly, while others are oblivious or all too eager to advance (or maintain) to care. As fun and entertaining as I think the movie can be at times, it's also a major missed opportunity. All the story elements you're talking about are fascinating, and I bet you the earlier versions of the script are really good. But the Oliver Stone of it all is ridiculous... like all the stuff you mentioned. And his shooting and, particularly , editing style may gave you the frantic feeling he's going for, but it's also extremely annoying and feels really shallow. The cutaways to Bem Hur and other footage are the stuff of like a 1st year film school project. And of course for all of the real athletes and actual athleticism on display, there's also a lack of understanding of certain mechanics of the business and of the game. And every football movie has to have a night game in the rain with no lights on for some reason. Have any of these filmmakers seen what a night game looks like? An NFL stadium will never be that poorly lit... I was at that Giants Cowboys MNF game where there was a total blackout, and I could see more than what Oliver Stone showed me in this movie. |
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Post by fjenkins on Jan 31, 2020 16:43:21 GMT
Any Given Sunday is not your traditional sports movie. Writer-director Oliver Stone, no stranger to controversy, wanted to make an authentic, unfiltered look at the world of professional football. But the film’s depictions of drug-fueled partying, fighting, and questionable player safety led to a battle with the NFL — which was only the beginning of the war for Stone, his A-list stars Al Pacino, Cameron Diaz, and Jamie Foxx, and a supporting cast of pro ballers-turned-actors. Just in time for Super Bowl LIV, EW brings you the tales behind the gritty gridiron film that the NFL tried to spike, as told by the players themselves. ew.com/movies/20https://ew.com/movies/2020/01/22/any-given-sunday-oral-history/20/01/22/any-given-sunday-oral-history/I was going to put together a website one time years ago of all the names of teams in fictitious football movies (and baseball) and was compiling this big list and although I like this movie a lot, this one has some of the worst names and uniforms of any fake football league movie ever.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 31, 2020 16:44:35 GMT
Which part didn't you think was realistic? The alligator in the showers? Cutting a car in half at a party? A guy getting hit so hard one of his eyes pops out of his head? A pro football expansion team in Albuquerque? As a kind of caricature of the world of pro football, I think it's a blast. As a film, what makes it interesting to me is that all the central characters are in a moment of transition in their lives; some for the better, some for the worse. How they deal with that transition reveals the value they give to the roles they worked hard to attain-- personally and professionally. Everyone has to sacrifice a part of their soul to achieve the next level of advancement. Some seem to recognize it as it's happening and struggle accordingly, while others are oblivious or all too eager to advance (or maintain) to care. And every football movie has to have a night game in the rain with no lights on for some reason. Have any of these filmmakers seen what a night game looks like? An NFL stadium will never be that poorly lit... I was at that Giants Cowboys MNF game where there was a total blackout, and I could see more than what Oliver Stone showed me in this movie. I feel the same way when movies show FBI offices or police departments as being really dark and cavernous places. It's hilarious.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 31, 2020 16:47:08 GMT
Mild thumbs up. I don't re-watch it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 31, 2020 16:49:23 GMT
Which part didn't you think was realistic? The alligator in the showers? Cutting a car in half at a party? A guy getting hit so hard one of his eyes pops out of his head? A pro football expansion team in Albuquerque? As a kind of caricature of the world of pro football, I think it's a blast. As a film, what makes it interesting to me is that all the central characters are in a moment of transition in their lives; some for the better, some for the worse. How they deal with that transition reveals the value they give to the roles they worked hard to attain-- personally and professionally. Everyone has to sacrifice a part of their soul to achieve the next level of advancement. Some seem to recognize it as it's happening and struggle accordingly, while others are oblivious or all too eager to advance (or maintain) to care. As fun and entertaining as I think the movie can be at times, it's also a major missed opportunity. All the story elements you're talking about are fascinating, and I bet you the earlier versions of the script are really good. But the Oliver Stone of it all is ridiculous... like all the stuff you mentioned. And his shooting and, particularly , editing style may gave you the frantic feeling he's going for, but it's also extremely annoying and feels really shallow. The cutaways to Bem Hur and other footage are the stuff of like a 1st year film school project. And of course for all of the real athletes and actual athleticism on display, there's also a lack of understanding of certain mechanics of the business and of the game. And every football movie has to have a night game in the rain with no lights on for some reason. Have any of these filmmakers seen what a night game looks like? An NFL stadium will never be that poorly lit... I was at that Giants Cowboys MNF game where there was a total blackout, and I could see more than what Oliver Stone showed me in this movie. It's corny but I love that stuff in this flick. That scene at the end when Pacino is seeing his life, or the history of football, or whatever flashing before his eyes and the lightning strikes and the whole bit, during the final play. It's trying to be overly dramatic and still going over the top from its own intent. Completely absurd, I agree, but I love it anyway. Agreed there are plenty of good ideas that aren't explored enough, but I don't know if that was what he was trying to do. I think Stone really wanted to make a mythologized football film that took everything about not only the game, not only the athletes, but the industry of football and exaggerate it to the Nth degree. The ridiculousness is the point. I haven't been in an NFL locker room, but I can't imagine the female owners come down from the office and shake hands with naked players.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 31, 2020 16:55:06 GMT
Football is my favorite sport, but outside of Friday Night Lights, I do not get into football movies whatsoever. Real football games are cinematic enough; I don't need fake football movies.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 31, 2020 17:43:37 GMT
As fun and entertaining as I think the movie can be at times, it's also a major missed opportunity. All the story elements you're talking about are fascinating, and I bet you the earlier versions of the script are really good. But the Oliver Stone of it all is ridiculous... like all the stuff you mentioned. And his shooting and, particularly , editing style may gave you the frantic feeling he's going for, but it's also extremely annoying and feels really shallow. The cutaways to Bem Hur and other footage are the stuff of like a 1st year film school project. And of course for all of the real athletes and actual athleticism on display, there's also a lack of understanding of certain mechanics of the business and of the game. And every football movie has to have a night game in the rain with no lights on for some reason. Have any of these filmmakers seen what a night game looks like? An NFL stadium will never be that poorly lit... I was at that Giants Cowboys MNF game where there was a total blackout, and I could see more than what Oliver Stone showed me in this movie. It's corny but I love that stuff in this flick. That scene at the end when Pacino is seeing his life, or the history of football, or whatever flashing before his eyes and the lightning strikes and the whole bit, during the final play. It's trying to be overly dramatic and still going over the top from its own intent. Completely absurd, I agree, but I love it anyway. Agreed there are plenty of good ideas that aren't explored enough, but I don't know if that was what he was trying to do. I think Stone really wanted to make a mythologized football film that took everything about not only the game, not only the athletes, but the industry of football and exaggerate it to the Nth degree. The ridiculousness is the point. I haven't been in an NFL locker room, but I can't imagine the female owners come down from the office and shake hands with naked players. That's what I mean about it being entertaining without being good. The tone is all off because as much as a think you're right that it's intended to be overly dramatic, I think Oliver Stone still thinks this is a serious movie, and yet it gets me laughing at it instead of with it, and rolling my eyes at what I'm pretty sure Oliver Stone thinks is good drama and dynamic filmmaking. There's a balance to find, and I think his style applied to the almost-too-good-for-its-own-good story does not jive. And yet there's enough good stuff in there to keep me flipping to it when it's on. That and the fact that this is one of the movies that I've seen the most in my life. I never took it seriously, but some of my teammates and I would watch it after school before every game in high school. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 31, 2020 17:51:40 GMT
No thumb. Never saw it.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 31, 2020 19:13:26 GMT
I enjoyed it. I never particularly cared if it was realistic or not, it was a fun ride and Al Pacino and Jamie Foxx were great in it. And I liked Charlton Heston's cameo.
I'm Willie, Willie Beamen
I keep the ladies creamin
And all the fans Screamin
You gon beat me, you're dreamin
Or words to that effect. Only way it could have been better is if that song was Hestin's cameo...
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jan 31, 2020 19:14:37 GMT
Film bored the arse off me. Not one I could sit through twice.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Feb 17, 2020 14:21:34 GMT
I enjoyed it. I never particularly cared if it was realistic or not, it was a fun ride and Al Pacino and Jamie Foxx were great in it. And I liked Charlton Heston's cameo. I'm Willie, Willie Beamen I keep the ladies creamin And all the fans Screamin You gon beat me, you're dreamin Or words to that effect. Only way it could have been better is if that song was Hestin's cameo... heston needed a bigger role!
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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Feb 17, 2020 19:22:29 GMT
The idea that anyone considers Any Given Sunday 'authentic' is completely ridiculous, but I have seen it a million times despite not thinking it's really any good. There's entertainment to be found there, but it's completely absurd. I feel like I shouldn't care, but I'll definitely be reading this today. Which part didn't you think was realistic? The alligator in the showers? Cutting a car in half at a party? A guy getting hit so hard one of his eyes pops out of his head? That just sounds like ANY weekend at Gronks house
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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Feb 17, 2020 19:26:58 GMT
I enjoyed it. I never particularly cared if it was realistic or not, it was a fun ride and Al Pacino and Jamie Foxx were great in it. And I liked Charlton Heston's cameo. I'm Willie, Willie Beamen I keep the ladies creamin And all the fans Screamin You gon beat me, you're dreamin Or words to that effect. Only way it could have been better is if that song was Hestin's cameo... To be fair, pro football players making ladies scream is pretty damn accurate. Movie was ahead of it's time in that regard
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Feb 21, 2020 22:36:18 GMT
Which part didn't you think was realistic? The alligator in the showers? Cutting a car in half at a party? A guy getting hit so hard one of his eyes pops out of his head? That just sounds like ANY weekend at Gronks house or my lake house in the summer. 
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