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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:42:34 GMT
Most of the streaming shows, predictably, look like superfluous spin offs designed to manipulate fans into paying for another gratuitous streaming service that nobody needs...
But WandaVision actually looks genuinely creative, surreal, and original. And as much as I love the comic book movie genre (and believe me, I do), those are three words that I seldom, if ever, use to describe comic book movies.
This could've been a real gem in the MCU's movie lineup, something to mix things up and keep the saga fresh. But of course it's relegated to the garbage pit of over hyped, over praised streaming channels. Shame.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:45:40 GMT
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 3, 2020 18:13:15 GMT
The series could end up being better than a movie could be. I'll wait and see it before I pass judgement.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 3, 2020 20:26:40 GMT
IF you have have a story to fill it then I sometimes prefer limited series vs a movie. That is if they match the run time to the story. Unlike most of the Netflix seasons which added around 3 to 4 episodes of padding, a short 6-8 episode limited run should be pretty tight storywise. The 6-8 hours gives you more time to get to know the character and not rush the story.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 3, 2020 22:55:47 GMT
I don't want to judge it till I've seen it. After all, I enjoyed the Mandalorian a lot more than the last few Star Wars movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 23:10:13 GMT
IF you have have a story to fill it then I sometimes prefer limited series vs a movie. That is if they match the run time to the story. Unlike most of the Netflix seasons which added around 3 to 4 episodes of padding, a short 6-8 episode limited run should be pretty tight storywise. The 6-8 hours gives you more time to get to know the character and not rush the story. To me, just having this thing as a streaming series makes it instantly disposable and superfluous in regards to the main canon. I understand that's an extreme view point but it's how I feel. If Marvel has a story to tell it should always be done in the main film saga. But again, I think that is precisely why these things exist on a service- because they don't really need to exist and would never cut it as part of the main saga. This one, as of yet, looks different. But maybe I'm wrong about that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 23:11:52 GMT
I don't want to judge it till I've seen it. After all, I enjoyed the Mandalorian a lot more than the last few Star Wars movies. That's more of a commentary on how bad the last few Star Wars movies are though.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 3, 2020 23:15:07 GMT
I don't want to judge it till I've seen it. After all, I enjoyed the Mandalorian a lot more than the last few Star Wars movies. That's more of a commentary on how bad the last few Star Wars movies are though. Fair enough. That said, I wasn't such a big fan of how the last few MCU movies handled some of their characters. Maybe these Disney shows will give them more respect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 23:19:10 GMT
That's more of a commentary on how bad the last few Star Wars movies are though. Fair enough. That said, I wasn't such a big fan of how the last few MCU movies handled some of their characters. Maybe these Disney shows will give them more respect. You mean Falcon and Bucky? I was okay with their treatment in the movies, but I do think Bucky deserves a more definitive ending in this saga. It annoys me that that ending will now likely occur on some steaming series rather than the movies.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 3, 2020 23:20:37 GMT
IF you have have a story to fill it then I sometimes prefer limited series vs a movie. That is if they match the run time to the story. Unlike most of the Netflix seasons which added around 3 to 4 episodes of padding, a short 6-8 episode limited run should be pretty tight storywise. The 6-8 hours gives you more time to get to know the character and not rush the story. To me, just having this thing as a streaming series makes it instantly disposable and superfluous in regards to the main canon. I understand that's an extreme view point but it's how I feel. If Marvel has a story to tell it should always be done in the main film saga. But again, I think that is precisely why these things exist on a service- because they don't really need to exist and would never cut it as part of the main saga. This one, as of yet, looks different. But maybe I'm wrong about that. Well that part I agree with. 
But seriously, stop being difficult.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 3, 2020 23:27:02 GMT
Lets wait with judging it until we have actually seen it.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 3, 2020 23:28:38 GMT
Lets wait with judging it until we have actually seen it. What fun is that?
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 3, 2020 23:32:29 GMT
IF you have have a story to fill it then I sometimes prefer limited series vs a movie. That is if they match the run time to the story. Unlike most of the Netflix seasons which added around 3 to 4 episodes of padding, a short 6-8 episode limited run should be pretty tight storywise. The 6-8 hours gives you more time to get to know the character and not rush the story. To me, just having this thing as a streaming series makes it instantly disposable and superfluous in regards to the main canon. I understand that's an extreme view point but it's how I feel. If Marvel has a story to tell it should always be done in the main film saga. But again, I think that is precisely why these things exist on a service- because they don't really need to exist and would never cut it as part of the main saga. This one, as of yet, looks different. But maybe I'm wrong about that. I can see your point that if the story is so good why not release it widely for everyone to see as soon as possible. I take another tact though. They are trying to stay with the time and be part of the next phase of entertainment distribution. And if you are going to try and be part of the cutting edge and get more people to buy it then you better put good stories/series on it. So if you at it that way then you would want to put a lot more compelling stories in the pipeline that has the higher barrier to get over to entice people to go over that barrier. They are certainly not being cheap about the production. I recently have come to terms with the fact that the only reason I go to movies is the early access to the story. It certainly not the screen size resolution or sound quality. My home setup rivals the smaller movie theaters in size vs distance away from the screen. It has better resolution and a lot better sound. Plus my snacks are better  I wonder how long movie theaters will have once everyone has 60+ tv screens in a room that less than 400ft2 with 8 channel surround sound. The only advantage that movies will have is the completely artificial nature of releasing to theaters first vs home. And that's starting to change.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 3, 2020 23:39:33 GMT
Most of the streaming shows, predictably, look like superfluous spin offs designed to manipulate fans into paying for another gratuitous streaming service that nobody needs... But WandaVision actually looks genuinely creative, surreal, and original. And as much as I love the comic book movie genre (and believe me, I do), those are three words that I seldom, if ever, use to describe comic book movies. This could've been a real gem in the MCU's movie lineup, something to mix things up and keep the saga fresh. But of course it's relegated to the garbage pit of over hyped, over praised streaming channels. Shame. The crossover film "I Wonder What Would Happen if WandaVision Wandered Around Wakanda" will address this issue.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 3, 2020 23:55:38 GMT
Fair enough. That said, I wasn't such a big fan of how the last few MCU movies handled some of their characters. Maybe these Disney shows will give them more respect. You mean Falcon and Bucky? I was okay with their treatment in the movies, but I do think Bucky deserves a more definitive ending in this saga. It annoys me that that ending will now likely occur on some steaming series rather than the movies. Falcon was treated alright, but I was referring more to Bucky, Wanda, Vision and Loki. Bucky in CATWS was the near equal to Captain America. Almost besting him in multiple occasions. Plus he has some very cool gadgets and a cool costume. Then in Civil War he was dominated by Black Panther who seems just equal to Captain America as well, and is completely humiliated by Spiderman who loses to Captain America. He also gets a boring costume and a gun that he rarely uses. In Infinity War, he gets a new arm but doesn't do anything really with it. He doesn't get any cool scenes. Plus there's this scene where Cap and T'Challa outdistance the rest of the army in their sprint, yet Bucky can't seem to catch up with them. In Endgame, Cap doesn't even give him a proper goodbye and instead saves his friend-speech for Falcon. Wanda on the other hand, she's been a part of the Avengers since Age of Ultron, yet she's never given that much emphasis. She's treated as a side character throughout the rest of the movies, isn't even given a proper costume, and Captain Marvel even gets a movie before she did (at least Black Widow is now getting a movie). Her telepathic powers seem to have been forgotten as well. She did get a few cool scenes in Infinity War and Endgame but she's being criminally underutilized. Vision is treated even worse off. For one of the supposed most powerful Avengers, Vision is treated with very little respect. He gets sidelined almost always, gets very little to do. Then gets killed without a decent fight. Loki used to be a valid threat, but more and more he's becoming like a comedic sidekick, to the point where they seldom utilize his powers anymore. He seldom fights with illusions in the last few movies, not even when trying to assassinate Thanos. We never get to see some of his more exotic powers, like how he supposedly put a spell on Odin. And while I enjoy him being an anti-hero, I don't think they should completely do away with his cruelty and superior attitude. Anyway, I'm hoping that these characters are given a lot more respect in these Disney+ shows.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 0:25:31 GMT
To me, just having this thing as a streaming series makes it instantly disposable and superfluous in regards to the main canon. I understand that's an extreme view point but it's how I feel. If Marvel has a story to tell it should always be done in the main film saga. But again, I think that is precisely why these things exist on a service- because they don't really need to exist and would never cut it as part of the main saga. This one, as of yet, looks different. But maybe I'm wrong about that. I can see your point that if the story is so good why not release it widely for everyone to see as soon as possible. I take another tact though. They are trying to stay with the time and be part of the next phase of entertainment distribution. And if you are going to try and be part of the cutting edge and get more people to buy it then you better put good stories/series on it. So if you at it that way then you would want to put a lot more compelling stories in the pipeline that has the higher barrier to get over to entice people to go over that barrier. They are certainly not being cheap about the production. I recently have come to terms with the fact that the only reason I go to movies is the early access to the story. It certainly not the screen size resolution or sound quality. My home setup rivals the smaller movie theaters in size vs distance away from the screen. It has better resolution and a lot better sound. Plus my snacks are better I wonder how long movie theaters will have once everyone has 60+ tv screens in a room that less than 400ft2 with 8 channel surround sound. The only advantage that movies will have is the completely artificial nature of releasing to theaters first vs home. And that's starting to change. I just can't look at this as a "stay with the times" kind of thing. I don't think a movie series has to expand to a streaming service. Honestly, these services are so over rated anyway. People are such shills for Netflix and Prime and honestly the shows mostly suck. Or at least they don't hold a candle to HBO or showtime. These series are cash grabs if we are being honest. That doesn't mean they will be bad, but this isn't about creating a more expansive media experience or however else Disney or Feige likes to spin these things as. They are what they are, and that's fine. But The MCU is a film saga to me. I just don't care about the shows. Never will.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 0:31:30 GMT
You mean Falcon and Bucky? I was okay with their treatment in the movies, but I do think Bucky deserves a more definitive ending in this saga. It annoys me that that ending will now likely occur on some steaming series rather than the movies. Falcon was treated alright, but I was referring more to Bucky, Wanda, Vision and Loki. Bucky in CATWS was the near equal to Captain America. Almost besting him in multiple occasions. Plus he has some very cool gadgets and a cool costume. Then in Civil War he was dominated by Black Panther who seems just equal to Captain America as well, and is completely humiliated by Spiderman who loses to Captain America. He also gets a boring costume and a gun that he rarely uses. In Infinity War, he gets a new arm but doesn't do anything really with it. He doesn't get any cool scenes. Plus there's this scene where Cap and T'Challa outdistance the rest of the army in their sprint, yet Bucky can't seem to catch up with them. In Endgame, Cap doesn't even give him a proper goodbye and instead saves his friend-speech for Falcon. Wanda on the other hand, she's been a part of the Avengers since Age of Ultron, yet she's never given that much emphasis. She's treated as a side character throughout the rest of the movies, isn't even given a proper costume, and Captain Marvel even gets a movie before she did (at least Black Widow is now getting a movie). Her telepathic powers seem to have been forgotten as well. She did get a few cool scenes in Infinity War and Endgame but she's being criminally underutilized. Vision is treated even worse off. For one of the supposed most powerful Avengers, Vision is treated with very little respect. He gets sidelined almost always, gets very little to do. Then gets killed without a decent fight. Loki used to be a valid threat, but more and more he's becoming like a comedic sidekick, to the point where they seldom utilize his powers anymore. He seldom fights with illusions in the last few movies, not even when trying to assassinate Thanos. We never get to see some of his more exotic powers, like how he supposedly put a spell on Odin. And while I enjoy him being an anti-hero, I don't think they should completely do away with his cruelty and superior attitude. Anyway, I'm hoping that these characters are given a lot more respect in these Disney+ shows. I both agree and disagree on the treatment of these characters. But the larger point I would make is this: Regardless of how they are used in the movies a streaming series really isn't going to change their role in the franchise. I mean, how is a gratuitous series about Loki going to matter at all when the character has fulfilled his arc already and was offically killed two movies ago. Even if it is miraculously fantastic, I don't see a reason to care.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 0:33:37 GMT
Most of the streaming shows, predictably, look like superfluous spin offs designed to manipulate fans into paying for another gratuitous streaming service that nobody needs... But WandaVision actually looks genuinely creative, surreal, and original. And as much as I love the comic book movie genre (and believe me, I do), those are three words that I seldom, if ever, use to describe comic book movies. This could've been a real gem in the MCU's movie lineup, something to mix things up and keep the saga fresh. But of course it's relegated to the garbage pit of over hyped, over praised streaming channels. Shame. The crossover film "I Wonder What Would Happen if WandaVision Wandered Around Wakanda" will address this issue. I would subscribe to watch that!
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Post by raiderjedi on Feb 4, 2020 0:34:08 GMT
Most of the streaming shows, predictably, look like superfluous spin offs designed to manipulate fans into paying for another gratuitous streaming service that nobody needs... But WandaVision actually looks genuinely creative, surreal, and original. And as much as I love the comic book movie genre (and believe me, I do), those are three words that I seldom, if ever, use to describe comic book movies. This could've been a real gem in the MCU's movie lineup, something to mix things up and keep the saga fresh. But of course it's relegated to the garbage pit of over hyped, over praised streaming channels. Shame. Streaming is going to be more and more prevalent. Disney would much rather have a person paying $7 per month than possibly paying $10-15 to a cinema a few times a year, that they only get a portion of. So for that reason all the Marvel and Star Wars shows are going to be hyped and given as much or more attention than movies released to cinemas. Big budgets, major hollywood stars. The Disney+ shows mark the beginning of a new era.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 0:48:49 GMT
Most of the streaming shows, predictably, look like superfluous spin offs designed to manipulate fans into paying for another gratuitous streaming service that nobody needs... But WandaVision actually looks genuinely creative, surreal, and original. And as much as I love the comic book movie genre (and believe me, I do), those are three words that I seldom, if ever, use to describe comic book movies. This could've been a real gem in the MCU's movie lineup, something to mix things up and keep the saga fresh. But of course it's relegated to the garbage pit of over hyped, over praised streaming channels. Shame. Streaming is going to be more and more prevalent. Disney would much rather have a person paying $7 per month than possibly paying $10-15 to a cinema a few times a year, that they only get a portion of. So for that reason all the Marvel and Star Wars shows are going to be hyped and given as much or more attention than movies released to cinemas. Big budgets, major hollywood stars. The Disney+ shows mark the beginning of a new era. I was never questioning this business model. This will undoubtedly make them more boatloads of money. But why should I care? I'm just saying that I think Wanda Vision appears to be a concept worthy of a movie. And obviously they are still keeping their A List characters on the big screen, so this idea that shows will make more money is inaccurate.
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I wonder how long movie theaters will have once everyone has 60+ tv screens in a room that less than 400ft2 with 8 channel surround sound. The only advantage that movies will have is the completely artificial nature of releasing to theaters first vs home. And that's starting to change. 