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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 0:55:44 GMT
I should say this thread was not supposed to be an anti Disney Plus thread. Marvel clearly prioritizes their characters. The series will feature stories and characters that had a snow ball's chance in hell of getting a big screen franchise, That's a clear fact. Even Feige would agree with this. There was never going to be a Loki movie. Never going to be a Falcon Bucky movie. So give them shows. Why not?
I would just argue the point that Wanda Vision could have been worthy of the main movie saga. That's all.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 4, 2020 1:33:23 GMT
I should say this thread was not supposed to be an anti Disney Plus thread. Marvel clearly prioritizes their characters. The series will feature stories and characters that had a snow ball's chance in hell of getting a big screen franchise, That's a clear fact. Even Feige would agree with this. There was never going to be a Loki movie. Never going to be a Falcon Bucky movie. So give them shows. Why not? I would just argue the point that Wanda Vision could have been worthy of the main movie saga. That's all. No worries. I don't think most of us took it that way. I think me personally will sacrafice the event nature of going to see a movie for getting 6 hour long story. (Some of this might be the fact that my local movie theater sucks, the one that's 10min away. There is a good one 30min away but I hate going there it's in a clusterfuck of an area to get to because traffic and business grew organically around it).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 2:38:06 GMT
I should say this thread was not supposed to be an anti Disney Plus thread. Marvel clearly prioritizes their characters. The series will feature stories and characters that had a snow ball's chance in hell of getting a big screen franchise, That's a clear fact. Even Feige would agree with this. There was never going to be a Loki movie. Never going to be a Falcon Bucky movie. So give them shows. Why not? I would just argue the point that Wanda Vision could have been worthy of the main movie saga. That's all. No worries. I don't think most of us took it that way. I think me personally will sacrafice the event nature of going to see a movie for getting 6 hour long story. (Some of this might be the fact that my local movie theater sucks, the one that's 10min away. There is a good one 30min away but I hate going there it's in a clusterfuck of an area to get to because traffic and business grew organically around it). Maybe in the end I will enjoy the show for what it is. This thread was kind of an instant react and post. Also, re-reading my posts here I realize they come across as a bit caustic. Hopefully I didn't come across as too much of a dick in my reply to you. I certainly didn't mean it that way.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 4, 2020 2:42:18 GMT
No worries. I don't think most of us took it that way. I think me personally will sacrafice the event nature of going to see a movie for getting 6 hour long story. (Some of this might be the fact that my local movie theater sucks, the one that's 10min away. There is a good one 30min away but I hate going there it's in a clusterfuck of an area to get to because traffic and business grew organically around it). Maybe in the end I will enjoy the show for what it is. This thread was kind of an instant react and post. Also, re-reading my posts here I realize they come across as a bit caustic. Hopefully I didn't come across as too much of a dick in my reply to you. I certainly didn't mean it that way. Nah you cool. Never noticed it. I tend to be kind of an sarcastic asshole in real life, so if anybody even stray into that general direction it doesn't even register
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 6:36:33 GMT
I should say this thread was not supposed to be an anti Disney Plus thread. Marvel clearly prioritizes their characters. The series will feature stories and characters that had a snow ball's chance in hell of getting a big screen franchise, That's a clear fact. Even Feige would agree with this. There was never going to be a Loki movie. Never going to be a Falcon Bucky movie. So give them shows. Why not? I would just argue the point that Wanda Vision could have been worthy of the main movie saga. That's all. Give Dinsey+ the respect!!##%@!!!! To be honest I dont mind either way but yeah it wouldve been cool to see a movie version, maybe even a trilogy with this storyline (every trilogy so far has been a different story, not a continuous arc)
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 5, 2020 17:23:10 GMT
Falcon was treated alright, but I was referring more to Bucky, Wanda, Vision and Loki. Bucky in CATWS was the near equal to Captain America. Almost besting him in multiple occasions. Plus he has some very cool gadgets and a cool costume. Then in Civil War he was dominated by Black Panther who seems just equal to Captain America as well, and is completely humiliated by Spiderman who loses to Captain America. He also gets a boring costume and a gun that he rarely uses. In Infinity War, he gets a new arm but doesn't do anything really with it. He doesn't get any cool scenes. Plus there's this scene where Cap and T'Challa outdistance the rest of the army in their sprint, yet Bucky can't seem to catch up with them. In Endgame, Cap doesn't even give him a proper goodbye and instead saves his friend-speech for Falcon. Wanda on the other hand, she's been a part of the Avengers since Age of Ultron, yet she's never given that much emphasis. She's treated as a side character throughout the rest of the movies, isn't even given a proper costume, and Captain Marvel even gets a movie before she did (at least Black Widow is now getting a movie). Her telepathic powers seem to have been forgotten as well. She did get a few cool scenes in Infinity War and Endgame but she's being criminally underutilized. Vision is treated even worse off. For one of the supposed most powerful Avengers, Vision is treated with very little respect. He gets sidelined almost always, gets very little to do. Then gets killed without a decent fight. Loki used to be a valid threat, but more and more he's becoming like a comedic sidekick, to the point where they seldom utilize his powers anymore. He seldom fights with illusions in the last few movies, not even when trying to assassinate Thanos. We never get to see some of his more exotic powers, like how he supposedly put a spell on Odin. And while I enjoy him being an anti-hero, I don't think they should completely do away with his cruelty and superior attitude. Anyway, I'm hoping that these characters are given a lot more respect in these Disney+ shows. I both agree and disagree on the treatment of these characters. But the larger point I would make is this: Regardless of how they are used in the movies a streaming series really isn't going to change their role in the franchise. I mean, how is a gratuitous series about Loki going to matter at all when the character has fulfilled his arc already and was offically killed two movies ago. Even if it is miraculously fantastic, I don't see a reason to care. Remember, this is a different Loki from a different timeline. This version doesn't die.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 5, 2020 17:27:22 GMT
Most of the streaming shows, predictably, look like superfluous spin offs designed to manipulate fans into paying for another gratuitous streaming service that nobody needs... But WandaVision actually looks genuinely creative, surreal, and original. And as much as I love the comic book movie genre (and believe me, I do), those are three words that I seldom, if ever, use to describe comic book movies. This could've been a real gem in the MCU's movie lineup, something to mix things up and keep the saga fresh. But of course it's relegated to the garbage pit of over hyped, over praised streaming channels. Shame. Yeah it's a wonder they didn't go that route with WandaVision.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 19:50:58 GMT
I both agree and disagree on the treatment of these characters. But the larger point I would make is this: Regardless of how they are used in the movies a streaming series really isn't going to change their role in the franchise. I mean, how is a gratuitous series about Loki going to matter at all when the character has fulfilled his arc already and was offically killed two movies ago. Even if it is miraculously fantastic, I don't see a reason to care. Remember, this is a different Loki from a different timeline. This version doesn't die. Oh, I know. But I think that's what makes it so gratuitous. He's free from an already completed character arc to either tread the same ground or run in place with no purpose. It's basically just the Super Terrific Fun Time Hour with Loki Lokington! ...Actually, that sounds awesome. Never mind.
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