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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Feb 5, 2020 17:23:55 GMT
As a life long Red Sox fan, I'm good with this trade. For one, we get to unload David Price. He's given us all he can give when we won the World Series in 2018. I didn't see him doing much more for the club. He's a nice guy and talented, but eventually he was just gonna become a burden we had to deal with. Betts on the other hand, obviously he's a star, but I don't think it's worth keeping him long term. He's likely gonna be seeking like a 10 year contract next offseason. I really don't think any player is worth that type of big contract. Look at all the other big contracts that teams have given players that backfired. The entire organization is just better off moving on and rebuilding at this point.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 5, 2020 17:26:38 GMT
The only season in which David Price hasn’t swallowed his own testicles in the post season is the one in which the Sox ended up cheating in.
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 5, 2020 17:31:19 GMT
As a life long Red Sox fan, I'm good with this trade. For one, we get to unload David Price. He's given us all he can give when we won the World Series in 2018. I didn't see him doing much more for the club. He's a nice guy and talented, but eventually he was just gonna become a burden we had to deal with. Betts on the other hand, obviously he's a star, but I don't think it's worth keeping him long term. He's likely gonna be seeking like a 10 year contract next offseason. I really don't think any player is worth that type of big contract. Look at all the other big contracts that teams have given players that backfired. The entire organization is just better off moving on and rebuilding at this point. But I think this is what is wrong with baseball and has been for many years. Teams over pay some player, get a good year or two out of him then spend years trying to unload his shitty contract. This is done all the time, baseball is super expensive as it is and just keeps getting worse and no one has caught on that owners need to stop overpaying these players. The Dodgers are only paying half (I think it is, that's what they said on the radio this morning) so the sox are still on the hook for his bad contract. It's just dumb.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 5, 2020 17:38:40 GMT
The only season in which David Price hasn’t swallowed his own testicles in the post season is the one in which the Sox ended up cheating in. We're still waiting for MLB to conclude its investigation. This article doesn't tell us much, but it does point out the Sox hit better with RISP than the previous season, which is important since the Sox particular scheme allegedly was enacted only with RISP. Overall the 2018 team actually struck out more often than the previous season. I'm not defending them, because cheating less frequently than the Astros is still cheating. But I'm interested in MLB's findings so we know exactly who should be ashamed of themselves here. I suppose it's guilt by association with the pitching staff, but as it stands now, I wouldn't hold anything against them.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 5, 2020 17:41:14 GMT
The only season in which David Price hasn’t swallowed his own testicles in the post season is the one in which the Sox ended up cheating in. We're still waiting for MLB to conclude its investigation. This article doesn't tell us much, but it does point out the Sox hit better with RISP than the previous season, which is important since the Sox particular scheme allegedly was enacted only with RISP. Overall the 2018 team actually struck out more often than the previous season. I'm not defending them, because cheating less frequently than the Astros is still cheating. But I'm interested in MLB's findings so we know exactly who should be ashamed of themselves here. I suppose it's guilt by association with the pitching staff, but as it stands now, I wouldn't hold anything against them. I wasn’t necessarily saying that Price was in on it (though he could have been, I don’t know), I’m just saying he was a beneficiary of whatever they did. Price was pretty terrible on non-cheating post-seasons. |
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Feb 5, 2020 17:57:20 GMT
As a life long Red Sox fan, I'm good with this trade. For one, we get to unload David Price. He's given us all he can give when we won the World Series in 2018. I didn't see him doing much more for the club. He's a nice guy and talented, but eventually he was just gonna become a burden we had to deal with. Betts on the other hand, obviously he's a star, but I don't think it's worth keeping him long term. He's likely gonna be seeking like a 10 year contract next offseason. I really don't think any player is worth that type of big contract. Look at all the other big contracts that teams have given players that backfired. The entire organization is just better off moving on and rebuilding at this point. But I think this is what is wrong with baseball and has been for many years. Teams over pay some player, get a good year or two out of him then spend years trying to unload his shitty contract. This is done all the time, baseball is super expensive as it is and just keeps getting worse and no one has caught on that owners need to stop overpaying these players. The Dodgers are only paying half (I think it is, that's what they said on the radio this morning) so the sox are still on the hook for his bad contract. It's just dumb. I agree. I think the owners should get together and decide they aren't going to offer these big 10 or so year contracts anymore. Obviously as a player I can't blame Betts. If I were him and I could get a big money long term contract I'd take it too. But as for the sport of baseball I don't think it's good for the game.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Feb 5, 2020 17:59:06 GMT
The only season in which David Price hasn’t swallowed his own testicles in the post season is the one in which the Sox ended up cheating in. We're still waiting for MLB to conclude its investigation. This article doesn't tell us much, but it does point out the Sox hit better with RISP than the previous season, which is important since the Sox particular scheme allegedly was enacted only with RISP. Overall the 2018 team actually struck out more often than the previous season. I'm not defending them, because cheating less frequently than the Astros is still cheating. But I'm interested in MLB's findings so we know exactly who should be ashamed of themselves here. I suppose it's guilt by association with the pitching staff, but as it stands now, I wouldn't hold anything against them. There still really is no evidence that the Red Sox cheated. The only thing they have against them is that they employed the guy who played a major role in the Astros cheating scandal as their manager. I've yet to see any direct link between the Sox and the sign stealing tactics the Astros used during their 2018 season.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 5, 2020 18:01:38 GMT
But I think this is what is wrong with baseball and has been for many years. Teams over pay some player, get a good year or two out of him then spend years trying to unload his shitty contract. This is done all the time, baseball is super expensive as it is and just keeps getting worse and no one has caught on that owners need to stop overpaying these players. The Dodgers are only paying half (I think it is, that's what they said on the radio this morning) so the sox are still on the hook for his bad contract. It's just dumb. I agree. I think the owners should get together and decide they aren't going to offer these big 10 or so year contracts anymore. Obviously as a player I can't blame Betts. If I were him and I could get a big money long term contract I'd take it too. But as for the sport of baseball I don't think it's good for the game. Can you say "collusion"? I knew you could
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Post by klawrencio79 on Feb 5, 2020 18:04:20 GMT
But I think this is what is wrong with baseball and has been for many years. Teams over pay some player, get a good year or two out of him then spend years trying to unload his shitty contract. This is done all the time, baseball is super expensive as it is and just keeps getting worse and no one has caught on that owners need to stop overpaying these players. The Dodgers are only paying half (I think it is, that's what they said on the radio this morning) so the sox are still on the hook for his bad contract. It's just dumb. I agree. I think the owners should get together and decide they aren't going to offer these big 10 or so year contracts anymore. Obviously as a player I can't blame Betts. If I were him and I could get a big money long term contract I'd take it too. But as for the sport of baseball I don't think it's good for the game. That's called collusion. It's a risk that every owner willingly undertakes when they sign these contracts. They know that they're getting a few good years and the back end will be terrible, but if you can win a WS in those early years, then it's worth that risk. Mookie Betts is 27 years old and is a generational talent. He's probably the best player in the game not named Mike Trout. To think that he wouldn't be great for 7/8 out of a 10 year deal is a puzzling position.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 5, 2020 18:23:51 GMT
Betts wanted 12 years, $420,000,000 in free agency. He's not going to get it (like Bryce Harper and his $500,000,000 daydream) but he will get a ton. He turned down $300,000,000 from Boston. So, fuck him. Boston needed to shed payroll and paying Mookie well over $300,000,000 isn't the way ot do it. Yeah, the Sox are big market and John Henry makes more money that he can spend, but the luxury tax is hurting the team. The penalties are maxed out. For every dollar the team spends, another goes to the luxury tax. Spend 100 million, no its 200 million. And the penalties were starting to cost the team draft picks, bad for a team with a substandard farm system. Time to hit the reset button. The Yankees did it after 2012. They ahd a dismal four years, averaging 85 wins and one pitiful WC game. The Red Sox fans fury over this is like the Yanks fans fury over watching Robby Cano leave. Verdugo could be a good replacement for Betts. I could be an uneventful couple years in Fenway. The big thing is, the Sox can't let this happen again. Like Jon Lester. We can;t see a similar situation with Ben in 10D, Rafael Devers, etc.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 5, 2020 20:21:24 GMT
sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/mookie-price-to-dodgers-for-verdugo-graterol.29559/Red Sox fans are having a meltdown over this. Bottom line was, Mookie Betts was done with the Red Sox after 2020. He wasn't going to resign, period. Been seeing rumors that he doesn't like New England, Whatever. The fans think they should have got more for him. but he's a one year rental. He might stay in LA, he might not. The team wasn't going to get a king's ransom for one season. They would have got a lot less at the trade deadline and get nothing but a draft pick he he plays out the season. And do you really want to give up near $400,000,000 and 12 years for him. Angels fans did handstands when they got Pujols. No handstands now. And the luxury tax is killing the team. You cannot start to lose draft picks. Chiam Bloom is paying for the stupid moves Ben Cherington and Dave Dumbrowski made. Rusney Castillo (thankfully, he doesn't count on payroll), reupping Sale, signing the fragile Eovaldi, the inability to develop a starting pitcher (last quality starter, Clay Buchholz). You can't change that but they did do something about the rotten Price contract. Yeah, I was hoping Betts would be a face of he franchise, another Williams, another Yaz. Not to be, time to move on.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 5, 2020 20:46:44 GMT
sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/mookie-price-to-dodgers-for-verdugo-graterol.29559/Red Sox fans are having a meltdown over this. Bottom line was, Mookie Betts was done with the Red Sox after 2020. He wasn't going to resign, period. Been seeing rumors that he doesn't like New England, Whatever. The fans think they should have got more for him. but he's a one year rental. He might stay in LA, he might not. The team wasn't going to get a king's ransom for one season. They would have got a lot less at the trade deadline and get nothing but a draft pick he he plays out the season. And do you really want to give up near $400,000,000 and 12 years for him. Angels fans did handstands when they got Pujols. No handstands now. And the luxury tax is killing the team. You cannot start to lose draft picks. Chiam Bloom is paying for the stupid moves Ben Cherington and Dave Dumbrowski made. Rusney Castillo (thankfully, he doesn't count on payroll), reupping Sale, signing the fragile Eovaldi, the inability to develop a starting pitcher (last quality starter, Clay Buchholz). You can't change that but they did do something about the rotten Price contract. Yeah, I was hoping Betts would be a face of he franchise, another Williams, another Yaz. Not to be, time to move on. I'm sure I'm not the only Cardinals fan who saw Pujols as the face of the franchise, the next Musial. Whose had more success the last 8 seasons: The St. Louis Cardinals or the Anaheim Angels near Los Angeles? The BoSux are the Cardinals in this equation, which is better than being the Angels. Although the Cubs won a World Series, so you might have to stomach another Yankees World Series. 
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