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Post by Skaathar on Feb 16, 2020 7:37:40 GMT
which causes them to be so inconsistent with their movie quality?
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 16, 2020 7:57:56 GMT
I'm not 100% sure but if pressed for an answer.
DC not having enough autonomy from WB's interference and not having a unified vision that was planned enough to give structure, but flexible enough to adjust to both positive and negative variables. Also having WB favoring the proven money makers first, but when they did try something new they went old school studio-wise. GL wasn't a proven money maker but they went bombastic blockbuster and just threw money at it. Also GL production is indicative of a large inertia based studio. Barely having a script (some say no completed script) when shooting. Large Corp tend to have failing upwards/bureaucracy filled problems that they try to solve with more money.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 16, 2020 14:40:47 GMT
It mainly seems like they have trouble planning their films out in a manner that gives them time to course correct without it looking like they’re panicking. Even Marvel has done that; mainly with the Hulk.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 16, 2020 15:12:15 GMT
It mainly seems like they have trouble planning their films out in a manner that gives them time to course correct without it looking like they’re panicking. Even Marvel has done that; mainly with the Hulk. Difference between being proactive versus reactive.
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Post by damngumby on Feb 16, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
They don’t have a Kevin Feige to steer the ship.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 16, 2020 21:11:18 GMT
There are two kinds of DC movie right now:
A. the ones that are just imitating what Marvel did but worse (two attempts at a Guardians movie, one and a half attempts at an Avengers movie)
B. The ones they do without waiting for Marvel to make the first move (a female superhero movie, an arthouse villain movie, whatever one might call Shazam)
Besides being more fresh, those latter movies also have more vision probably because they're not just copying notes.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 16, 2020 22:33:39 GMT
There are two kinds of DC movie right now: A. the ones that are just imitating what Marvel did but worse ( two attempts at a Guardians movie, one and a half attempts at an Avengers movie) B. The ones they do without waiting for Marvel to make the first move (a female superhero movie, an arthouse villain movie, whatever one might call Shazam) Besides being more fresh, those latter movies also have more vision probably because they're not just copying notes. I know what the first is, but what’s the second?
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Post by dazz on Feb 16, 2020 23:10:47 GMT
There are two kinds of DC movie right now: A. the ones that are just imitating what Marvel did but worse ( two attempts at a Guardians movie, one and a half attempts at an Avengers movie) B. The ones they do without waiting for Marvel to make the first move (a female superhero movie, an arthouse villain movie, whatever one might call Shazam) Besides being more fresh, those latter movies also have more vision probably because they're not just copying notes. I know what the first is, but what’s the second? My guess is Birds Of Prey.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 16, 2020 23:14:51 GMT
I know what the first is, but what’s the second? My guess is Birds Of Prey. That has significantly more in common with the Deadpool movies than GotG.
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Post by dazz on Feb 16, 2020 23:22:08 GMT
They are reactionary with little patients, if something doesn't 100% work they turn tail and run away, even with their biggest success in terms of ROI they had no spine or conviction to stand by the movie and sold a sizeable chunk of the profits rights away for half the budget, for a film that cost less than $90m to make even if they only gave up 10% of the box office they would have cost themselves millions and millions, tens of millions of dollars.
They need to give someone a timeframe, a budget and some fucking space, 5 years, $600m and 1 person in charge and see just what the fuck they can make of it, no interfering and micro managing just give someone the time and see what we get out of it, because the moment MOS wasn't the runaway hit they wanted WB started shitting their pants, but did they forget Batman Begins was a considerable theatrical flop also, it only turned a profit via home release and such after like a year, but that gave them confidence to give Nolan another go and TDK became one of the most loved CBM's of all time and the first CBM to gross $1b.
They also need to get their fucking eyes off of those sort of numbers, fuck breaking records focus on turning a profit, if a movie can make $450m on a $60m budget and $1b on a $200m budget pick the $60m movie it will make you more money, that or don't care about the box office use the films to boost toy and merch sales, BVS bombed theatrically as did JL but Batman merch doubled and has stayed doubled into the $1b+ a year range since BVS up from the $500-600m a year from the Nolan movie days...but just pick a focus and leave it be for a while.
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Post by dazz on Feb 16, 2020 23:24:51 GMT
My guess is Birds Of Prey. That has significantly more in common with the Deadpool movies than GotG. Wouldn't know haven't seen it yet, but just going by process of elimination it's what I assume he was referring to, but yea overall DC seem to have gotten into this phase of making Harley their Deadpool which I dunno some like other not so much.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 16, 2020 23:36:20 GMT
That has significantly more in common with the Deadpool movies than GotG. Wouldn't know haven't seen it yet, but just going by process of elimination it's what I assume he was referring to, but yea overall DC seem to have gotten into this phase of making Harley their Deadpool which I dunno some like other not so much. They’ve been in that phase at least since the New 52.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 16, 2020 23:47:27 GMT
making good movies boom.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 17, 2020 9:17:58 GMT
My guess is Birds Of Prey. That has significantly more in common with the Deadpool movies than GotG. Yes and yes. The Deadpool comparison would still support my overall point.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 17, 2020 10:47:23 GMT
they are taking risks and redefine the genre with several masterworks (some R rated). It's what differentiates DC from formulaic children movies.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 17, 2020 17:34:47 GMT
They have lots of problems but the biggest is just not having a clear vision of what to do with these characters on film. Whenever they have a Kevin Feige type figure they become too reactionary if a new release does not meet financial or critical expectations and they drop them for somebody else - first it was Zack Snyder, then Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, then Walter Hamada, and now if I am correct Jim Lee is to take over sometime soon, or has. What makes a Kevin Feige so successful and acclaimed in the industry is the ability to be able to be a filmmaker, a fan of the source material, and having a winning formula that produces works which appeal to fans, general movie goers, and critics alike - crowd pleaser after crowd pleaser. The people they have hired so far are only able to make up one or two criteria but all three is really a rare event.
WB/DC has a serious lack of commitment issue that is just plain annoying - We have one too many different continuities going on right now and its just getting pretty stupid no matter how they try to spin it and have a 'crisis' sort of event to justify it. If anything, the constant reliance on the concept of a multiverse just cements it right then and there that they lack vision and just don't care like they should. We are about to get yet another reboot of Batman next year and it will have zero ties to the continuity they established with Man of Steel, how awesome would it have been if they went back and forth between an older and younger Batman with concepts introduced in a contemporary or past story and have pay off later in a contemporary or past story? For example, a Robert Pattinson Batman movie could introduce venom and then in a contemporary Batman movie with Ben Affleck(Or somebody else) they could introduce Bane into the mix who heavily relies on the drug. But they're not taking that route, and its a shame.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 17, 2020 17:36:59 GMT
they are taking risks and redefine the genre with several masterworks (some R rated). It's what differentiates DC from formulaic children movies. Actually the risk taking is by filmmakers who are given total freedom to do whatever they want, Warner Bros. and DC are not that competent enough to make something like Joker all by themselves - and that is the problem, they lack vision and understanding of what really makes a great adaptation of their material. They got lucky a few times, but they still do not get it.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 17, 2020 19:40:54 GMT
they are taking risks and redefine the genre with several masterworks (some R rated). It's what differentiates DC from formulaic children movies. Actually the risk taking is by filmmakers who are given total freedom to do whatever they want, you and your fallacious prattling. Film making is a collaborative effort. Studios take financial risks by giving artistic freedom to the filmmakers and allowing for mature, R-rated and unexplored film materials. The results are game changers like Joker, Watchmen, Logan, Deadpool or Dark Knight or Wonder Woman. We know where it ends if such risks are not taken, it leads to "despicable" "theme park rides", right into the man child universe. And there is no return from that. and a guy like you who watches Marvel films and Disney Duck cartoons is competent to make such assessments? Delicious irony. I am glad they "lack vision and understanding" to make a "really great adaption" as you envision it. Always a hoot and a holler with you Dredd.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 17, 2020 22:01:31 GMT
Actually the risk taking is by filmmakers who are given total freedom to do whatever they want, you and your fallacious prattling. Film making is a collaborative effort. Studios take financial risks by giving artistic freedom to the filmmakers and allowing for mature, R-rated and unexplored film materials. The results are game changers like Joker, Watchmen, Logan, Deadpool or Dark Knight or Wonder Woman. We know where it ends if such risks are not taken, it leads to "despicable" "theme park rides", right into the man child universe. And there is no return from that. and a guy like you who watches Marvel films and Disney Duck cartoons is competent to make such assessments? Delicious irony. I am glad they "lack vision and understanding" to make a "really great adaption" as you envision it. Always a hoot and a holler with you Dredd. You are truly delusional if you seriously think Fox should be credited for Deadpool. Fox never even wanted to make this film and only allowed it to happen because Ryan Reynolds was keep asking for it. At one point, Fox even decided to have the budget cut from the film, which is why screenwriters came up with the scene where Deadpool leaves all of his guns inside the cab by accident. Similar situation goes with Joker as well. Warner Brothers didn't think that the film would be all that successful, so they only provided half of $55 million budget.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 17, 2020 22:51:12 GMT
Actually the risk taking is by filmmakers who are given total freedom to do whatever they want, you and your fallacious prattling. Film making is a collaborative effort. Studios take financial risks by giving artistic freedom to the filmmakers and allowing for mature, R-rated and unexplored film materials. The results are game changers like Joker, Watchmen, Logan, Deadpool or Dark Knight or Wonder Woman. We know where it ends if such risks are not taken, it leads to "despicable" "theme park rides", right into the man child universe. And there is no return from that. and a guy like you who watches Marvel films and Disney Duck cartoons is competent to make such assessments? Delicious irony. I am glad they "lack vision and understanding" to make a "really great adaption" as you envision it. Always a hoot and a holler with you Dredd. You're right, there's no return from 2.8 billion dollars in Box office numbers. Whatever shall Marvel do?!?!
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