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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 18, 2020 0:03:39 GMT
Actually the risk taking is by filmmakers who are given total freedom to do whatever they want, you and your fallacious prattling. Film making is a collaborative effort. Studios take financial risks by giving artistic freedom to the filmmakers and allowing for mature, R-rated and unexplored film materials. The results are game changers like Joker, Watchmen, Logan, Deadpool or Dark Knight or Wonder Woman. We know where it ends if such risks are not taken, it leads to "despicable" "theme park rides", right into the man child universe. And there is no return from that. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) and a guy like you who watches Marvel films and Disney Duck cartoons is competent to make such assessments? Delicious irony. I am glad they "lack vision and understanding" to make a "really great adaption" as you envision it. Always a hoot and a holler with you Dredd. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif) I am afraid the only one guilty of being fallacious is yourself Tristan as you are not understanding where I, and others, are coming from. Movies like Joker turned out so well because Warner Bros. isn't very competent enough to make a great film based on their DC Comics characters as a committee(See Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Catwoman, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin), with such a small budget Todd Phillips was allowed to do whatever he wanted - and they didn't care all that much, the success the movie had was largely a surprise to them. Same with Deadpool with Fox, they didn't care about the movie - Tom Rothman who was in charge of the time didn't get the appeal of the character at all. And that year they anticipated X-Men: Apocalypse to be their biggest X-Men installment, not Deadpool. With The Dark Knight Trilogy Nolan simply pitched the most commercially and financially favorable idea to how to reboot Batman for the big screen and made the best movie in a timely manner, and thus given near all creative control on its continuations. They've gotten lucky here and there largely because the directors hired were competent enough and were not butting heads with them, in instances where there was head butting and production troubles sprang up the end results were less than desirable - Justice League. So yes, they do lack vision, the ones who have saved them in the end have been directors who either made the best movies under their guidelines or visionaries who were given some cash and allowed to make whatever the heck it was they wanted to because it was so cheap to finance. And yes, this is a problem - It says that Warner Bros. doesn't really know what to do with these characters and just have been lucky to have landed filmmakers who do. Marvel Studios on the other hand does know what to do with their characters and have created a multimedia cinematic franchise that is mostly consistent in quality and even if faced with production troubles i.e. Ant-Man the movies still end up as crowd pleasers - THIS is why whenever news of something like this happens people are more optimistic about a Marvel movie than a DC movie. And yes, Warner Bros. doesn't "get it", they illustrated plenty of times in the past that when they have a hit film they do not totally understand why it worked as well as it had - When The Dark Knight came out they thought it was dark and gritty that would deliver the goods, and earlier in the 90's it was light and cotton candy, and in both circumstances they went too far and had to course correct. TO PUT IT SIMPLER TERMS...Imagine Warner Bros. as Homer Simpson in the episode where he prevents the nuclear power plant from having a meltdown and saving all of Springfield. He is a hero, but also a fraud, because he just happened to press the right button at the right time but lacks the knowledge as to why pushing said button worked. Warner Bros. succeeded despite ignorance. Meanwhile, Marvel has succeeded because of awareness. Understand better? I hope so because I don't know if I can dumb this down any further, less you're the type who dismisses people who reference a cartoon, as you have done so before. Finally, please stop with this whole "Oh you are so immature and I'm not!" nonsense, my opinion is no more or less valid than yours and being a fan of Marvel or DuckTales doesn't discredit me in anyway - and please kindly point to where I labeled Joker, The Dark Knight, or Wonder Woman as poorly made products? Because I never spoke ill of them.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 18, 2020 14:01:38 GMT
A combination of WB interference, the lack of a planned vision and the balls to execute it. As far as i'm concerned DC needs to leave Warner Bros.
It reminds me of the Star Wars and Disney situation.
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Post by ellynmacg on Feb 20, 2020 4:08:29 GMT
My older son--whose opinions I respect, if not always agree with, on movies, current music, and video games ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) --has said that one of WB/DC's biggest problems is that they seem to have a "one style fits all" philosophy of filming. For example, the studio has had marked success with Batman as the King of Noir Heroes...so therefore, Superman must/should be equally noir and cynical. To achieve success with Supie, they need to remodel their style to something more uplifting and lighthearted...and for heaven's sake, stop desaturating the color, which makes everything dreary and sometimes downright dull! Metropolis should not look identical to Gotham City (even though both cities are based on/inspired by NYC). There's a reason why Batman wears a mask and a cowl and Superman does not. IMO, WB needs to emphasize the two heroes' differences, not minimize them.
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Post by hobowar on Feb 20, 2020 6:53:36 GMT
Poor communication between directors and the studio. They need to be on the same page before the cameras start rolling.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 24, 2020 1:50:55 GMT
Bad writing
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