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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2020 6:52:20 GMT
What about Die Hard?
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2020 7:04:02 GMT
Even though I love Halloween and am a big Carpenter fan, I believe F13 was just as influential. The Matrix certainly. The Thin Man for comedies and maybe sequels. Alien for sci-fi/horror. Jaws for water predator horror. Night of the Living Dead and Return of the Living Dead combined created the modern zombie monster. Airport for disaster genre. DOTD 2004 for fast zombies. I have to hear a convincing argument for Friday the 13th being anywhere near as influential, considering Friday the 13th is already ripping off Halloween and the movies that inspired Halloween.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2020 7:31:55 GMT
an entire SUB-GENRE of Road Warrior Wasteland B movies in the 80's! Cheap to make I guess. So Mad Max 2 the Road Warrior? God I love those films Have you seen A Boy and His Dog?
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Post by sostie on Feb 27, 2020 10:28:53 GMT
But again did Lifeforce inspire a wave of imitators? From Nightmare City in 1980 up to 28 Days Later how many "fast zombie" films were there? Five at my count, if you count Lifeforce and exclude the ROTLD sequels...none of those spawned any imitators really in those 24 years When 28 Days Later arrived fast zombies ( and I emphasise that I know they are not actually zombies) were a talking point. A subject discussed online (which may have been discussed if the web was around for the earlier films) amongst horror and regular film fans. That it was a sizeable box office success and critically well recieved made it part of the zeitgeist Post 28 Days Later we had fast zombie/ zombie like movies such as Dawn Of The Dead, Train To Busan, 28 Weeks Later, Day Of The Dead, Dead Snow series, REC series, Zombieland 1&2, Quarantine, I Am Legend, La Horde, Resident Evil series, House Of The Dead, World War Z, the TV series Dead Set, Z Nation, Black Summer...and that is in 16 years, and just the ones I can instantly recall. There is an argument that 28 Days Later rekindled the zombie genre...sure they were around constantly before, mostly straight to DVD or little seen Asian films, but there is no doubt in my mind it is responsible for the increase in fast zombie films The 28 Days Later creatures are infected humans, not really zombies. Same thing goes for REC as they are demons like in Lamberto Bava's Demons. I'm fully aware of that and acknowledge it in my post
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Post by sostie on Feb 27, 2020 10:29:31 GMT
Have you seen A Boy and His Dog? Yeah, one of my favourite 70s movies
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 10:31:08 GMT
Can't be bothered to read the whole topic, but: Scream. Yeah, it's a slasher and inspired by Halloween and all those 80's slasher, but this took it into a whole new (self aware) direction and there have been a lot of Scream inspired slasher movies after it.
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Post by theravenking on Feb 27, 2020 20:51:41 GMT
The Silence Of The Lambs and Se7en inspired countless imitators.
48 Hrs. - I'm not entirely sure about this, but wasn't this the first successful buddy-cop comedy? It led to films like Lethal Weapon or Midnight Run.
American Pie brought on a string of R-rated teen comedies.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 28, 2020 7:41:57 GMT
Even though I love Halloween and am a big Carpenter fan, I believe F13 was just as influential. The Matrix certainly. The Thin Man for comedies and maybe sequels. Alien for sci-fi/horror. Jaws for water predator horror. Night of the Living Dead and Return of the Living Dead combined created the modern zombie monster. Airport for disaster genre. DOTD 2004 for fast zombies. I have to hear a convincing argument for Friday the 13th being anywhere near as influential, considering Friday the 13th is already ripping off Halloween and the movies that inspired Halloween. I'd love to hear a convincing argument that F13 is ripping off Halloween. Both movies were hugely successful on a small budget, that was reason there were so many slashers. The genre might have petered out sooner if F13 hadn't proven the formula could be successful.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 28, 2020 7:47:07 GMT
American Pie brought on a string of R-rated teen comedies. I would suggest that American Pie was heavily inspired by Animal House.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 28, 2020 7:50:54 GMT
I have to hear a convincing argument for Friday the 13th being anywhere near as influential, considering Friday the 13th is already ripping off Halloween and the movies that inspired Halloween. I'd love to hear a convincing argument that F13 is ripping off Halloween. Both movies were hugely successful on a small budget, that was reason there were so many slashers. The genre might have petered out sooner if F13 hadn't proven the formula could be successful. It is about a group of young people being killed off by a slasher. It is one of the main imitators of Halloween and one of the most successful. It also rips off the end of Carrie (1976).
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Post by Morgana on Feb 28, 2020 8:05:26 GMT
The Godfather.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 28, 2020 8:24:35 GMT
The Silence Of The Lambs and Se7en inspired countless imitators. 48 Hrs. - I'm not entirely sure about this, but wasn't this the first successful buddy-cop comedy? It led to films like Lethal Weapon or Midnight Run. American Pie brought on a string of R-rated teen comedies. Fast Times at Ridgemont High did that first though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 12:42:09 GMT
The Silence Of The Lambs and Se7en inspired countless imitators. 48 Hrs. - I'm not entirely sure about this, but wasn't this the first successful buddy-cop comedy? It led to films like Lethal Weapon or Midnight Run. American Pie brought on a string of R-rated teen comedies. Fast Times at Ridgemont High did that first though. But it isn't about what movie did it first.
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Post by theravenking on Feb 28, 2020 14:31:09 GMT
American Pie brought on a string of R-rated teen comedies. I would suggest that American Pie was heavily inspired by Animal House. Sure, Animal House might've been the first, but just like Scream brought back the slasher movie, American Pie inspired a lot of imitators.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 28, 2020 14:59:44 GMT
Fast Times at Ridgemont High did that first though. But it isn't about what movie did it first. What I meant is that isn't Fast Times at Ridgemont High the movie that should have the been mentioned, since it is the movie that inspired every R-rated teen movie that came after it? American Pie just revitalized it.
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Post by sostie on Feb 28, 2020 15:44:29 GMT
But it isn't about what movie did it first. What I meant is that isn't Fast Times at Ridgemont High the movie that should have the been mentioned, since it is the movie that inspired every R-rated teen movie that came after it? What about Porkys? The Lemon Popsicle series?
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 28, 2020 16:06:21 GMT
What I meant is that isn't Fast Times at Ridgemont High the movie that should have the been mentioned, since it is the movie that inspired every R-rated teen movie that came after it? What about Porkys? The Lemon Popsicle series? 
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Post by Sarge on Feb 28, 2020 19:05:56 GMT
I'd love to hear a convincing argument that F13 is ripping off Halloween. Both movies were hugely successful on a small budget, that was reason there were so many slashers. The genre might have petered out sooner if F13 hadn't proven the formula could be successful. It is about a group of young people being killed off by a slasher. It is one of the main imitators of Halloween and one of the most successful. To me, there is a big difference between rip-off (a movie that adds nothing to genre and merely copies) and inspired by, F13 was inspired by Halloween. As much as I love Halloween, it didn't invent killer POV, or murdering teens, or using blades, and didn't create the slasher genre by itself. What Halloween did was create a template for horror that was low budget and proven to be box office successful, that template later became slasher movies. That's what many people misunderstand when talking about the origin of slasher movies, all the elements had been done before, what Carpenter did was make them successful and reproducible. F13 had more influences than just Halloween, is more than the same movie in a different location, and is a well shot movie in it's own right. I'm not denying that F13 was inspired by Halloween, I'm saying it is not a rip off.
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