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Post by politicidal on Apr 25, 2017 0:42:56 GMT
Temporarily at least as he puts it;a brainwashed henchman of Darkseid? I hope not but as Leadbeater explains (and I typically loathe his pessimism towards the DCEU) it is not implausible given Snyder's penchant for bold creative decisions. screenrant.com/justice-league-superman-villain-theory/ |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 25, 2017 1:02:42 GMT
I hope not?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 25, 2017 1:07:15 GMT
Shit happens. Last time we got WW, Doomsday, and Martha in the third act. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 25, 2017 1:55:05 GMT
Shit happens. Last time we got WW, Doomsday, and Martha in the third act. well the elements didn't bother me......but it was execution. personally WW worked, and Martha I thought it was an honest attempt at sincerity, but the film sadly didn't build to that moment, however Doomsday.....yeah............didn't work too well for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 2:36:19 GMT
Temporarily at least as he puts it;a brainwashed henchman of Darkseid? I hope not but as Leadbeater explains (and I typically loathe his pessimism towards the DCEU) it is not implausible given Snyder's penchant for bold creative decisions. screenrant.com/justice-league-superman-villain-theory/ It's not a bold decision when the comics AND a freaking Saturday Morning Cartoon both beat him to it! Nothing Snyder does is a bold creative decision. For one, this "twist" is predictable as hell. Everyone know it's coming, so it's not a zinger from out of left field. Two, Bruce Timm's DC Animated Universe had at least three evil Supermen, two of them being alternative universe versions of Supes, and one being Superman after he's been brain-washed by Darkseid. So Snyder's late to this game several times over. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 25, 2017 12:10:11 GMT
Shit happens. Last time we got WW, Doomsday, and Martha in the third act. well the elements didn't bother me......but it was execution. personally WW worked, and Martha I thought it was an honest attempt at sincerity, but the film sadly didn't build to that moment, however Doomsday.....yeah............didn't work too well for me. Matha was a great example of why it feels like MOS and BVS were written by a kid in 6th grade. It really feels like that when I'm watching it. I can remember discussing movies with kids in middle school and we'd come up with these kind of ideas. Looking back on them you'd realize how bad they were and then here comes Snyder with the same types of things. Makes me wonder if I should have gone into writing. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 25, 2017 13:57:22 GMT
well the elements didn't bother me......but it was execution. personally WW worked, and Martha I thought it was an honest attempt at sincerity, but the film sadly didn't build to that moment, however Doomsday.....yeah............didn't work too well for me. Matha was a great example of why it feels like MOS and BVS were written by a kid in 6th grade. It really feels like that when I'm watching it. I can remember discussing movies with kids in middle school and we'd come up with these kind of ideas. Looking back on them you'd realize how bad they were and then here comes Snyder with the same types of things. Makes me wonder if I should have gone into writing. Probably not, ideas are ideas but writing is a different beast. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 25, 2017 17:30:45 GMT
Matha was a great example of why it feels like MOS and BVS were written by a kid in 6th grade. It really feels like that when I'm watching it. I can remember discussing movies with kids in middle school and we'd come up with these kind of ideas. Looking back on them you'd realize how bad they were and then here comes Snyder with the same types of things. Makes me wonder if I should have gone into writing. Probably not, ideas are ideas but writing is a different beast. I think when they were writing BvS, someone commented on it and someone else said "Wouldn't it be cool if we acknowledged it?" Then they couldn't figure out where to put it and not make it sound corny. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 25, 2017 18:13:48 GMT
Probably not, ideas are ideas but writing is a different beast. I think when they were writing BvS, someone commented on it and someone else said "Wouldn't it be cool if we acknowledged it?" Then they couldn't figure out where to put it and not make it sound corny. I think the Martha moment could have worked, but......you needed to build to it, a line here, a line there, changing a scene, maybe Batman trades all his information on superman for Lex's kryptonite, idk....but again, the elements themselves could have worked, but they didn't build to them properly enough causing it to fall flat for some is not most. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 26, 2017 16:01:33 GMT
I hope not.
But I am in the camp that this is UNQUESTIONABLY what will happen. At least for a time...like Hawkeye in Avengers
It's Snyder after all...he won't be able to resist one more dark version of Superman.
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Post by barcode on Apr 26, 2017 20:15:49 GMT
I am fairly sure that the original idea was to have Superman as villain or side villain in Justice League Part 1 , with him getting reunited with the league by the movie end. This would have setup showdown with bigger villain (Darkseid) in JL2.
We cant just discard Knighmare sequence as something that will not be follow up after BVS because it had Parademons - the coming part of JL movie. (When the original idea was for JL1 & 2)
But all this which seems like the plan before BVS got relased changed to accommodate the backlash of reviews.
So instead , now the resurrection and reuniting of Supes will happen in JL1 itself well before the final act of the movie.
What remains to be seen is how much scope they now have to for him- to resurrect , make evil(or WHO AM I) , make hero again, defeat Steppenwolf, in just one movie.
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Post by chatterer on Apr 27, 2017 3:20:28 GMT
I am fairly sure that the original idea was to have Superman as villain or side villain in Justice League Part 1 , with him getting reunited with the league by the movie end. This would have setup showdown with bigger villain (Darkseid) in JL2. We cant just discard Knighmare sequence as something that will not be follow up after BVS because it had Parademons - the coming part of JL movie. (When the original idea was for JL1 & 2) But all this which seems like the plan before BVS got relased changed to accommodate the backlash of reviews. So instead , now the resurrection and reuniting of Supes will happen in JL1 itself well before the final act of the movie. What remains to be seen is how much scope they now have to for him- to resurrect , make evil(or WHO AM I) , make hero again, defeat Steppenwolf, in just one movie. There was a suspected plot leak online last year where Darkseid orders Steppenwolf to get Supes body. The leak never mentioned Superman turning into a villain. So I'm really suspect about this "what if?". Brainiac was said to be on his way in end credit scene. I always suspected wanting Supes body could have something to do with the codex in his blood. With regards to JL there is speculation online that Darkseids elite could be a possible way to go for JL2. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 28, 2017 5:59:21 GMT
I think when they were writing BvS, someone commented on it and someone else said "Wouldn't it be cool if we acknowledged it?" Then they couldn't figure out where to put it and not make it sound corny. I think the Martha moment could have worked, but......you needed to build to it, a line here, a line there, changing a scene, maybe Batman trades all his information on superman for Lex's kryptonite, idk....but again, the elements themselves could have worked, but they didn't build to them properly enough causing it to fall flat for some is not most. I think it could have worked as a quieter moment. Say Bruce introduces himself to Martha Kent at Clark's funeral and learns her name then. Coming off of the back of Clark's sacrifice, it would really hit home to Bruce that Clark was "human" and not so dissimilar to himself. You'd get the same point across, just minus the silliness of Bruce dropping his homicidal rage over a funny coinkydink. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 28, 2017 13:49:25 GMT
I think the Martha moment could have worked, but......you needed to build to it, a line here, a line there, changing a scene, maybe Batman trades all his information on superman for Lex's kryptonite, idk....but again, the elements themselves could have worked, but they didn't build to them properly enough causing it to fall flat for some is not most. I think it could have worked as a quieter moment. Say Bruce introduces himself to Martha Kent at Clark's funeral and learns her name then. Coming off of the back of Clark's sacrifice, it would really hit home to Bruce that Clark was "human" and not so dissimilar to himself. You'd get the same point across, just minus the silliness of Bruce dropping his homicidal rage over a funny coinkydink. My biggest problem with the entire sequence is that the phrase "You're letting him kill Martha!" is not a phrase anyone would say in that situation. "He'll kill my mother" "You're letting him kill an innocent woman" "Please help me, he's going to kill her." "Lex Luthor is holding a woman hostage, promise that after you kill me, you will save her." But "You're letting him kill Martha!" is perhaps one of the worst written lines of dialogue in the history of cinema. |
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Post by primeone on May 8, 2017 3:27:06 GMT
After the backlash, I can understand if Snyder changes things and makes Superman evil and turn back good at the end. I still think it would be better save that for a future sequel
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