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Post by Skaathar on Mar 6, 2020 21:16:36 GMT
Let's pretend that in an alternate universe, these two actors switched their superhero acting roles. Hemsworth plays Wolverine and Jackman plays Thor. Adjust their age for their respective movies but nothing else is changed in the movies. Same director, same script, same co-stars, same everything. The only change is the actors playing the lead roles. They're roughly the same height and both are Australian. Who does a better job?
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Post by thenolan on Mar 8, 2020 15:27:58 GMT
Logan vs Thor= Logan wins.
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Post by dazz on Mar 8, 2020 20:46:48 GMT
I don't think I have seen Hemsworth show he has the aggression and animalistic ferocity Jackman brought to Logan, but Jackman has done everything Hemsworth has done, though Hemsworth has more that overly comedic side also to Thor I don't know if Jackman could quite match, overall though I think Jackman would be better as Thor than Hemsworth would be as Logan imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 0:11:56 GMT
Logan vs Thor= Logan wins. over I'm pretty sure a lightning strike will put Logan in his place. |
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 1:06:02 GMT
Logan vs Thor= Logan wins. over I'm pretty sure a lightning strike will put Logan in his place. Dunno he's shaken off nukes like they were nothing before and healed from psychic blasts that can vaporize the average human body, dude is pretty durable, where as do we know Thor is adamantium proof?
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Post by politicidal on Mar 9, 2020 1:16:34 GMT
I don't think I have seen Hemsworth show he has the aggression and animalistic ferocity Jackman brought to Logan, but Jackman has done everything Hemsworth has done, though Hemsworth has more that overly comedic side also to Thor I don't know if Jackman could quite match, overall though I think Jackman would be better as Thor than Hemsworth would be as Logan imo. Indeed, though I had seen a younger Hemsworth in a thriller in a minor role as a red herring killer and he’s pretty intimidating in that. I think his best performance was in Rush. |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 1:22:48 GMT
I'm pretty sure a lightning strike will put Logan in his place. Dunno he's shaken off nukes like they were nothing before and healed from psychic blasts that can vaporize the average human body, dude is pretty durable, where as do we know Thor is adamantium proof? They've already fought in the comics before. Thor was taking it easy on Wolverine whereas Logan was going all out. When Thor finally took him seriously he KO'd Logan with a single shot. |
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 5:26:54 GMT
Dunno he's shaken off nukes like they were nothing before and healed from psychic blasts that can vaporize the average human body, dude is pretty durable, where as do we know Thor is adamantium proof? They've already fought in the comics before. Thor was taking it easy on Wolverine whereas Logan was going all out. When Thor finally took him seriously he KO'd Logan with a single shot. Talking movies not comics mate, in the comics Thor is an actual god with the Odin/Thor Force, so it's kinda an unfair fight in that medium.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 8:03:31 GMT
They've already fought in the comics before. Thor was taking it easy on Wolverine whereas Logan was going all out. When Thor finally took him seriously he KO'd Logan with a single shot. Talking movies not comics mate, in the comics Thor is an actual god with the Odin/Thor Force, so it's kinda an unfair fight in that medium. Comic Thor didn't use the Odin force against Wolverine. He fought him in melee and then used a single lightning bolt. If it's movie versions then it's even worse. Movie Wolverine is nowhere near the fighter that comic Wolverine is. He won't have a speed or skill advantage against Thor like he did in the comics. I don't recall movie Wolverine ever shaking off a direct nuke. I do recall he got knocked out by a bullet to the head. Also, apparently a regular katana can block his claws for a bit before it cuts through them. |
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 16:17:48 GMT
Talking movies not comics mate, in the comics Thor is an actual god with the Odin/Thor Force, so it's kinda an unfair fight in that medium. Comic Thor didn't use the Odin force against Wolverine. He fought him in melee and then used a single lightning bolt. If it's movie versions then it's even worse. Movie Wolverine is nowhere near the fighter that comic Wolverine is. He won't have a speed or skill advantage against Thor like he did in the comics. I don't recall movie Wolverine ever shaking off a direct nuke. I do recall he got knocked out by a bullet to the head. Also, apparently a regular katana can block his claws for a bit before it cuts through them. Wasn't a direct nuke but in The Wolverine he survived a nuke after shielding the Japanese bad guy and healed from it in seconds, and in The Last Stand Jean was literally disintegrating him and he was instant healing there as well, a lesser blast vaporised Xavier earlier in the film, with Logan she was hitting him with repeated blasts.
Movie Thor's durability is questionable as is his strength and speed, and anyway it's the same dumb argument we always get into with the same answer, who would win depends on who writes, both characters have had ability and toughness fluctuate over the movies so depends.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 16:52:56 GMT
Comic Thor didn't use the Odin force against Wolverine. He fought him in melee and then used a single lightning bolt. If it's movie versions then it's even worse. Movie Wolverine is nowhere near the fighter that comic Wolverine is. He won't have a speed or skill advantage against Thor like he did in the comics. I don't recall movie Wolverine ever shaking off a direct nuke. I do recall he got knocked out by a bullet to the head. Also, apparently a regular katana can block his claws for a bit before it cuts through them. Wasn't a direct nuke but in The Wolverine he survived a nuke after shielding the Japanese bad guy and healed from it in seconds, and in The Last Stand Jean was literally disintegrating him and he was instant healing there as well, a lesser blast vaporised Xavier earlier in the film, with Logan she was hitting him with repeated blasts.
Movie Thor's durability is questionable as is his strength and speed, and anyway it's the same dumb argument we always get into with the same answer, who would win depends on who writes, both characters have had ability and toughness fluctuate over the movies so depends.
I wouldn't call movie Thor's speed or durability questionable. Thor's durability in particular is one of the most constant things we see in the movies. He was tough enough to survive the Bifrost and Sokovia explosions without a single scratch on him. He can survive in outerspace for prolonged durations without any adverse effects. He managed to take on the full force of a neutron star for a few minutes before he started burning up (instead of being disintegrated on the spot). He took a point-blank repulsor blast to the face from IM and it only irritated him. He took multiple stab wounds from Hela and continued fighting without issue. I mean, Loki is legit bullet proof and I'm pretty sure Thor as tougher than him. Loki was also fast enough to catch an arrow blindly and keep up with Captain America, and I doubt Thor is that much slower than him. Thor blocks laser blasts with his hammer and dodges ultronbot blasts from point blank range. We also know from Agents of SHIELD that a regular Asgardian farmer was able to crumple a steel tactical knife in his hand without much effort. What all these tell me is that 1. Movie Thor is actually faster than movie Wolverine and 2. Thor is far far more durable than a regular katana. And if a regular katana can block Wolverine's claws for a bit before getting cut, then Wolverine is going to have a hard time seriously injuring Thor with his claws. And yes, Wolverine can heal from almost any wound but he's not above getting KO'd. He got knocked out by a bullet to the head, he was extremely groggy after getting beat up by Sabertooth both in X1 and in Origins. And we know that Thor is far stronger than Sabertooth.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 17:31:08 GMT
Wasn't a direct nuke but in The Wolverine he survived a nuke after shielding the Japanese bad guy and healed from it in seconds, and in The Last Stand Jean was literally disintegrating him and he was instant healing there as well, a lesser blast vaporised Xavier earlier in the film, with Logan she was hitting him with repeated blasts.
Movie Thor's durability is questionable as is his strength and speed, and anyway it's the same dumb argument we always get into with the same answer, who would win depends on who writes, both characters have had ability and toughness fluctuate over the movies so depends.
I wouldn't call movie Thor's speed or durability questionable. Thor's durability in particular is one of the most constant things we see in the movies. He was tough enough to survive the Bifrost and Sokovia explosions without a single scratch on him. He can survive in outerspace for prolonged durations without any adverse effects. He managed to take on the full force of a neutron star for a few minutes before he started burning up (instead of being disintegrated on the spot). He took a point-blank repulsor blast to the face from IM and it only irritated him. He took multiple stab wounds from Hela and continued fighting without issue. I mean, Loki is legit bullet proof and I'm pretty sure Thor as tougher than him. Loki was also fast enough to catch an arrow blindly and keep up with Captain America, and I doubt Thor is that much slower than him. Thor blocks laser blasts with his hammer and dodges ultronbot blasts from point blank range. We also know from Agents of SHIELD that a regular Asgardian farmer was able to crumple a steel tactical knife in his hand without much effort. What all these tell me is that 1. Movie Thor is actually faster than movie Wolverine and 2. Thor is far far more durable than a regular katana. And if a regular katana can block Wolverine's claws for a bit before getting cut, then Wolverine is going to have a hard time seriously injuring Thor with his claws. And yes, Wolverine can heal from almost any wound but he's not above getting KO'd. He got knocked out by a bullet to the head, he was extremely groggy after getting beat up by Sabertooth both in X1 and in Origins. And we know that Thor is far stronger than Sabertooth. Questionable in regards to is he tough enough for Adamantium to not hurt him? fast enough to totally outmatch Wolverine? being faster I think is fair to assume he is, but if he's not fast enough to totally dodge every blow by Logan, including a last second claw popping it's not going to help that much, as Logan has been outdone in the speed department before and still kept going until he gets his shot, as for durability that's fair Thor is tough but at the same time he's not invulnerable, Uru metal can wound him, Cap's shield is tough enough to hold up against Uru metal, Adamantium is almost as tough as Cap's shield right? so Adamantium should be able to fuck Thor up, and with all his bones coated in that shit it means he's hits are tough enough to deliver force to Thor, unlike human bones which should crumple under the force.
Also the KO thing only matters depending on the style of fight, I mean in a boxing match if you can KO Logan for 5 seconds who cares because after that 5 seconds he's back up and ready to keep going, in a fight to the death KO only matters if you can finish the guy off, Thor could win though just doing a Hulk and hitting Logan so hard he flies off like 50 miles or something, whicvh would be funny if he did the hit knocks Logan out and he wakes up still in mid air and has to be conscious as he lands headfirst into a mountain or something.
Also why are we even arguing this? it's about who would play the others character better, and we got into a who would beat who in a fight debate  , also I don't disagree Thor would win my only thing was saying that a single lightning bolt maybe wouldn't stop Logan from the movies as he has taken some heavy blows, we really went off topic but somehow on topic enough, very odd.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2020 17:41:59 GMT
I wouldn't call movie Thor's speed or durability questionable. Thor's durability in particular is one of the most constant things we see in the movies. He was tough enough to survive the Bifrost and Sokovia explosions without a single scratch on him. He can survive in outerspace for prolonged durations without any adverse effects. He managed to take on the full force of a neutron star for a few minutes before he started burning up (instead of being disintegrated on the spot). He took a point-blank repulsor blast to the face from IM and it only irritated him. He took multiple stab wounds from Hela and continued fighting without issue. I mean, Loki is legit bullet proof and I'm pretty sure Thor as tougher than him. Loki was also fast enough to catch an arrow blindly and keep up with Captain America, and I doubt Thor is that much slower than him. Thor blocks laser blasts with his hammer and dodges ultronbot blasts from point blank range. We also know from Agents of SHIELD that a regular Asgardian farmer was able to crumple a steel tactical knife in his hand without much effort. What all these tell me is that 1. Movie Thor is actually faster than movie Wolverine and 2. Thor is far far more durable than a regular katana. And if a regular katana can block Wolverine's claws for a bit before getting cut, then Wolverine is going to have a hard time seriously injuring Thor with his claws. And yes, Wolverine can heal from almost any wound but he's not above getting KO'd. He got knocked out by a bullet to the head, he was extremely groggy after getting beat up by Sabertooth both in X1 and in Origins. And we know that Thor is far stronger than Sabertooth. Questionable in regards to is he tough enough for Adamantium to not hurt him? fast enough to totally outmatch Wolverine? being faster I think is fair to assume he is, but if he's not fast enough to totally dodge every blow by Logan, including a last second claw popping it's not going to help that much, as Logan has been outdone in the speed department before and still kept going until he gets his shot, as for durability that's fair Thor is tough but at the same time he's not invulnerable, Uru metal can wound him, Cap's shield is tough enough to hold up against Uru metal, Adamantium is almost as tough as Cap's shield right? so Adamantium should be able to fuck Thor up, and with all his bones coated in that shit it means he's hits are tough enough to deliver force to Thor, unlike human bones which should crumple under the force.
Also the KO thing only matters depending on the style of fight, I mean in a boxing match if you can KO Logan for 5 seconds who cares because after that 5 seconds he's back up and ready to keep going, in a fight to the death KO only matters if you can finish the guy off, Thor could win though just doing a Hulk and hitting Logan so hard he flies off like 50 miles or something, whicvh would be funny if he did the hit knocks Logan out and he wakes up still in mid air and has to be conscious as he lands headfirst into a mountain or something.
Also why are we even arguing this? it's about who would play the others character better, and we got into a who would beat who in a fight debate , also I don't disagree Thor would win my only thing was saying that a single lightning bolt maybe wouldn't stop Logan from the movies as he has taken some heavy blows, we really went off topic but somehow on topic enough, very odd.
It's not really about whether Adamantium can cut Thor, it's about whether Wolverine is strong enough to cut Thor. Like, steel is stronger than wood right? And a sharp sword should be able to cut wood right? But try and get the sharpest sword you can find and then try to cut down an oak tree with it. Sure, the sword will cut into the wood but it will be mostly superficial cuts. To be able to make a deep cut into the wood you'll need to hack at it multiple times in the same spot. It's not that steel isn't capable of cutting wood, it's that the normal human is just not strong enough to make a deep enough cut. So that's the problem with Wolverine and Thor. Adamantium can cut Thor but Wolverine is not strong enough to cut him too deeply due to how dense Thor is. That's pretty much what happened in the comics, and Thor withstood a lot of cuts and stabs from Wolverine before his injuries started becoming serious. From what we've seen in the movies this seems the case. We do see Captain America throw his shield (edge first) at Thor's face in the first Avengers and the shield just bounced off Thor's face. And this shield is sharp enough to cut through ultronbots. Anyway, as for how we ended up in this off topic discussion... well, this board has been pretty dead lately. I welcome a decent debate/discussion far more than the endless blabbering we get from Supperhero or whatever his name is.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 18:09:03 GMT
Questionable in regards to is he tough enough for Adamantium to not hurt him? fast enough to totally outmatch Wolverine? being faster I think is fair to assume he is, but if he's not fast enough to totally dodge every blow by Logan, including a last second claw popping it's not going to help that much, as Logan has been outdone in the speed department before and still kept going until he gets his shot, as for durability that's fair Thor is tough but at the same time he's not invulnerable, Uru metal can wound him, Cap's shield is tough enough to hold up against Uru metal, Adamantium is almost as tough as Cap's shield right? so Adamantium should be able to fuck Thor up, and with all his bones coated in that shit it means he's hits are tough enough to deliver force to Thor, unlike human bones which should crumple under the force.
Also the KO thing only matters depending on the style of fight, I mean in a boxing match if you can KO Logan for 5 seconds who cares because after that 5 seconds he's back up and ready to keep going, in a fight to the death KO only matters if you can finish the guy off, Thor could win though just doing a Hulk and hitting Logan so hard he flies off like 50 miles or something, whicvh would be funny if he did the hit knocks Logan out and he wakes up still in mid air and has to be conscious as he lands headfirst into a mountain or something.
Also why are we even arguing this? it's about who would play the others character better, and we got into a who would beat who in a fight debate , also I don't disagree Thor would win my only thing was saying that a single lightning bolt maybe wouldn't stop Logan from the movies as he has taken some heavy blows, we really went off topic but somehow on topic enough, very odd.
It's not really about whether Adamantium can cut Thor, it's about whether Wolverine is strong enough to cut Thor. Like, steel is stronger than wood right? And a sharp sword should be able to cut wood right? But try and get the sharpest sword you can find and then try to cut down an oak tree with it. Sure, the sword will cut into the wood but it will be mostly superficial cuts. To be able to make a deep cut into the wood you'll need to hack at it multiple times in the same spot. It's not that steel isn't capable of cutting wood, it's that the normal human is just not strong enough to make a deep enough cut. So that's the problem with Wolverine and Thor. Adamantium can cut Thor but Wolverine is not strong enough to cut him too deeply due to how dense Thor is. That's pretty much what happened in the comics, and Thor withstood a lot of cuts and stabs from Wolverine before his injuries started becoming serious. From what we've seen in the movies this seems the case. We do see Captain America throw his shield (edge first) at Thor's face in the first Avengers and the shield just bounced off Thor's face. And this shield is sharp enough to cut through ultronbots. Anyway, as for how we ended up in this off topic discussion... well, this board has been pretty dead lately. I welcome a decent debate/discussion far more than the endless blabbering we get from Supperhero or whatever his name is. See that's where I was thinking wrong, good call, I was thinking more along the Luke Cage route where the skin is nigh impenetrable but the insides were more normal, if Thor is as dense...which he is in many ways...all the way through then yeah those claws probably wont do too much damage, except to Thor's laundry bill.
At the end of all this all I can imagine is like an SNL style fight scene though, with a budget, Thor hitting the hammer uppercut to Logan and being surprised Logan's head is still attached, then Logan getting him with a surprise shnick to the gut only for the claws to only pop out about 1/4 an inch before stopping and Thor being mightily pissed...no worries though it will all end in booze, now that's a contest who wins in a drinking competition? Logan's healing factor or Thor's Asgardian constitution?
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