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Post by Shane Falco on Jun 30, 2024 20:16:25 GMT
X-Men First Class is the only one I can think of not mentioned. The Fox X-Men movies were close to 50/50 on being good or bad. There was the OG cast trilogy. X-Men X2 Last Stand. The first two were good and the third garbage. Then they wanted to kind of reboot the series with First Class. It is still a prequel though as it takes place 30 years before X-Men you still get Hugh Jackman as Wolverine making a cameo in it to tie the films together making it a prequel and not a full reboot. Then the next film brings most of the OG cast together to tell two stories one in the present/future with the OG cast and Wolverine going back in time to be in the rest of the film with the younger new cast cementing First Class as a prequel. These series of films were. First Class Days of Future Past Apocalypse Dark Phoenix The first two were very good while the other two garbage (I never watched Dark Phoenix but I can safely say it was garbage.) Then you've got the three solo Wolverine movies with Origins being another prequel. X-Men Origins Wolverine The Wolverine Logan Origins is famously bad. The Wolverine at best is fine. It was seen more positively because of how bad Origins was. Logan was a top tier level comic book movie. The other two Fox X-Men films were the two Deadpool films with the first being very good but the sequel being disappointing. There were 6 good films, 4 bad and 2 at best were meh. That said, First Class was probably in the top 3 with James McAvoy and Michael Fasbender bringing great performances as younger Charles Xavier and Magneto. The later films in this version of the cast became so bad via bad casting/writing and a focus placed on Mystique who is a secondary character simply because she was Jennifer Lawrence. Because she was Jennifer Lawrence and her star was rising she wouldn't go through the makeup process much either. Just became trash. But again back to the main topic, First Class was one of the good highlights of that franchise. Brought a new spark to the franchise only for them to ruin it again with the third and fourth installments. I liked First Class when it was released, but the follow up flicks were so terrible I've never had reason to watch it again. Personally, I think DOFP is just as awful as Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. Maybe not as much overacting, but the story still makes no sense at all. Its been a while since I've rewatched it so its possible that it doesn't hold up as well as I remember. The way the franchise went out leaves me little desire to go back and rewatch other than to enjoy some of the performances like McAvoy, Fasbender, Stewart. Things I can pull from memory. The Quicksilver scene was awesome. The nostalgia pop of seeing some of the OG cast returning was great. The acting from the likes of Stewart, McAvoy, Fasbender were top notch. Cutting out Anna Paquin's shitty portrayal of Rogue was a great call. The action pieces of the Sentinels in the present/future battling the OG cast was awesome to see. Magneto raising the baseball stadium was a cool scene. The random idea of JFK being a mutant and Magneto trying to save him was a fun thought (wish they would have done more with that). What I remember not liking is the Jennifer Lawrence of it all (it had yet to fully transition to making her the Wolverine of the original trilogy but there was still enough there to start to get frustrated). I also disliked the time travel narrative of it but thats because I hate time travel as a plot device in general. Which is why I didn't like Avengers Endgame as much as others and why I have completely avoided ever watching films like Back to the Future. That said I hate the whole multidimensional thing as well as you get alternate versions of characters that I just find stupid and you eventually erase any impact of past decisions like Gamora etc. That's a big part in why the MCU has started to go downhill for me. But back to DOFP. For some reason the time travel (despite not making sense how Kitty could send Wolverine back in time) didn't bother me as much. I cant really explain why without rewatching the film and again it might not hold up as well as I remember. Its entirely possible that the film just has a nostalgia spot in my heart to me. Its possible that a film like Apocalypse was so bad (I personally remember laughing out loud at how bad it was in the theater) that it makes me look back fondly of DOFP. Its possible that the performances of McAvoy, Fasbender, and Stewart were good enough to overshadow the rest of the film that they couldn't do beyond it.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 30, 2024 21:01:39 GMT
You got that right - between her and Hardy, if you close your eyes you could swear you're watching either Fargo or Bugs Bunny. "Ehhhh, what's up toots - I'm the president of 'dis motorcycle club and you don't got nuttin' to worry about, y'know?"Double-bill - we also saw A Quiet Place: Day One. These movies have a half-decent premise (I guess) but I've had to conclude that they just aren't for me. The basic concept of "run away from something scary for 90 mins" just isn't interesting to me - unless the setting and craftsmanship are truly exceptional (see: Alien). But it got me thinking: what are some of the best prequels in movie history? It's an idea that so rarely works and yet modern filmmakers and producers seem convinced that we absolutely want them; that we simply must know how and why this happened, what led to x, what this character was like before, yada yada yada. Off the top of my head I can't think of a true prequel (as in, something that was made after an original film and depicted events prior to those from the original film) that stands out as great. Casino Royale 2006 doesn't count - that's a reboot, not a prequel. X-Men First Class is the only one I can think of not mentioned. The Fox X-Men movies were close to 50/50 on being good or bad. There was the OG cast trilogy. X-Men X2 Last Stand. The first two were good and the third garbage. Then they wanted to kind of reboot the series with First Class. It is still a prequel though as it takes place 30 years before X-Men you still get Hugh Jackman as Wolverine making a cameo in it to tie the films together making it a prequel and not a full reboot. Then the next film brings most of the OG cast together to tell two stories one in the present/future with the OG cast and Wolverine going back in time to be in the rest of the film with the younger new cast cementing First Class as a prequel. These series of films were. First Class Days of Future Past Apocalypse Dark Phoenix The first two were very good while the other two garbage (I never watched Dark Phoenix but I can safely say it was garbage.) Then you've got the three solo Wolverine movies with Origins being another prequel. X-Men Origins Wolverine The Wolverine Logan Origins is famously bad. The Wolverine at best is fine. It was seen more positively because of how bad Origins was. Logan was a top tier level comic book movie. The other two Fox X-Men films were the two Deadpool films with the first being very good but the sequel being disappointing. There were 6 good films, 4 bad and 2 at best were meh. That said, First Class was probably in the top 3 with James McAvoy and Michael Fasbender bringing great performances as younger Charles Xavier and Magneto. The later films in this version of the cast became so bad via bad casting/writing and a focus placed on Mystique who is a secondary character simply because she was Jennifer Lawrence. Because she was Jennifer Lawrence and her star was rising she wouldn't go through the makeup process much either. Just became trash. But again back to the main topic, First Class was one of the good highlights of that franchise. Brought a new spark to the franchise only for them to ruin it again with the third and fourth installments. Nice little summary, I'm with you on all accounts here, with the one (admittedly nitpicky) difference is that The Wolverine is kinda awesome...until the last half hour. I guess that evens the whole experience out. And you're right about Dark Phoenix, which I have seen. It's completely dull and lifeless, which is the worst thing a comic book movie can be. I have no idea what the hell Jessica Chastain is doing when she's on screen, and I don't think she does either.
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Post by ThreeSticks on Jul 1, 2024 1:32:05 GMT
today, I binged watched "Too Old to Die Young".
I tried to start it several times but the first episode is odd.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jul 1, 2024 21:01:34 GMT
X-Men First Class is the only one I can think of not mentioned. The Fox X-Men movies were close to 50/50 on being good or bad. There was the OG cast trilogy. X-Men X2 Last Stand. The first two were good and the third garbage. Then they wanted to kind of reboot the series with First Class. It is still a prequel though as it takes place 30 years before X-Men you still get Hugh Jackman as Wolverine making a cameo in it to tie the films together making it a prequel and not a full reboot. Then the next film brings most of the OG cast together to tell two stories one in the present/future with the OG cast and Wolverine going back in time to be in the rest of the film with the younger new cast cementing First Class as a prequel. These series of films were. First Class Days of Future Past Apocalypse Dark Phoenix The first two were very good while the other two garbage (I never watched Dark Phoenix but I can safely say it was garbage.) Then you've got the three solo Wolverine movies with Origins being another prequel. X-Men Origins Wolverine The Wolverine Logan Origins is famously bad. The Wolverine at best is fine. It was seen more positively because of how bad Origins was. Logan was a top tier level comic book movie. The other two Fox X-Men films were the two Deadpool films with the first being very good but the sequel being disappointing. There were 6 good films, 4 bad and 2 at best were meh. That said, First Class was probably in the top 3 with James McAvoy and Michael Fasbender bringing great performances as younger Charles Xavier and Magneto. The later films in this version of the cast became so bad via bad casting/writing and a focus placed on Mystique who is a secondary character simply because she was Jennifer Lawrence. Because she was Jennifer Lawrence and her star was rising she wouldn't go through the makeup process much either. Just became trash. But again back to the main topic, First Class was one of the good highlights of that franchise. Brought a new spark to the franchise only for them to ruin it again with the third and fourth installments. Nice little summary, I'm with you on all accounts here, with the one (admittedly nitpicky) difference is that The Wolverine is kinda awesome...until the last half hour. I guess that evens the whole experience out. And you're right about Dark Phoenix, which I have seen. It's completely dull and lifeless, which is the worst thing a comic book movie can be. I have no idea what the hell Jessica Chastain is doing when she's on screen, and I don't think she does either. I remember reading some summaries of the film and they had a hard time describing Jessica Chastain's character. She was apparently some random alien that had no connection to the source material at all. I remember in the trailers her dialogue and line delivery seemed off. I knew I was gonna skip it the moment they were gonna try the Phoenix arch yet again. They didn't seem to know what to do with Jean Grey without it. For an arch like that to work you gotta care about the character and imo Sophie Turner is a very poor actress that wasn't capable of carrying a film like that. I'm hopeful that the X-Men revival in the MCU avoids the Phoenix arch for a while. In my summary I completely forgot about New Mutants which is funny because so did Fox as they delayed its release forever until the merger went through and Disney just dumped it out there. It was also bad but the one thing I will say positive about it was that it at least tried something new making a super hero horror themed flick which Dr Strange 2 later also tried which imo didn't work either.
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