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Post by clusium on Mar 16, 2020 19:20:54 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Mar 18, 2020 15:56:51 GMT
Interesting and fun video, Clusium. And it's also of some note that Bonnie Parker was a bit of a looker, which no doubt raised the publicity value of the duo by some degree:
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Post by clusium on Mar 18, 2020 19:11:50 GMT
Interesting and fun video, Clusium. And it's also of some note that Bonnie Parker was a bit of a looker, which no doubt raised the publicity value of the duo by some degree: Yeah, some killers are "lookers." Even receive their own fan clubs (in the very same way celebrities do) gushing over then. Eg: Both Paul Bernado & Karla Homolka had their fans who gushed over them. They even committed their own similar, sick crimes.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 19, 2020 11:02:36 GMT
Interesting and fun video, Clusium. And it's also of some note that Bonnie Parker was a bit of a looker, which no doubt raised the publicity value of the duo by some degree: Yeah, some killers are "lookers." Even receive their own fan clubs (in the very same way celebrities do) gushing over then. Eg: Both Paul Bernado & Karla Homolka had their fans who gushed over them. They even committed their own similar, sick crimes. Not to mention the truly heinous Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, both of whom were pretty conventionally 'handsome' men. Of course, there are exceptions--one could hardly have referred to John Wayne Gacy as particularly physically attractive on his best day, yet, for reasons that probably don't bear dwelling on, he's attracted his own celebrity killer status.
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Post by clusium on Mar 19, 2020 14:27:19 GMT
Yeah, some killers are "lookers." Even receive their own fan clubs (in the very same way celebrities do) gushing over then. Eg: Both Paul Bernado & Karla Homolka had their fans who gushed over them. They even committed their own similar, sick crimes. Not to mention the truly heinous Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, both of whom were pretty conventionally 'handsome' men. Of course, there are exceptions--one could hardly have referred to John Wayne Gacy as particularly physically attractive on his best day, yet, for reasons that probably don't bear dwelling on, he's attracted his own celebrity killer status. You mean people actually wrote him love letters, etc? I know Ted Bundy received loved letters (as the afore-mentioned Bernardo & K. Homolka did).
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Post by amyghost on Mar 19, 2020 16:52:37 GMT
Not to mention the truly heinous Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, both of whom were pretty conventionally 'handsome' men. Of course, there are exceptions--one could hardly have referred to John Wayne Gacy as particularly physically attractive on his best day, yet, for reasons that probably don't bear dwelling on, he's attracted his own celebrity killer status. You mean people actually wrote him love letters, etc? I know Ted Bundy received loved letters (as the afore-mentioned Bernardo & K. Homolka did). Not certain if Dahmer had any of those type of correspondents (what in the world do they write about?), but he had a bit of a cult following at one time. This is a small promo piece interviewing one of the actors who played in My Friend Dahmer: attitude.co.uk/article/ross-lynch-on-jeffrey-dahmers-perverse-cult-following-i-think-the-fascination-is-with-the-extreme-1/18016/Nothing profound in it, but the title sort of sums it up. Apparently there's no behavior too ghastly or perverse that it won't draw some people into total fascination with it. Gacy supposedly got his share of fan letters. He also wrote some, including a couple to actor Brian Dennehy, who portrayed Gacy in a telefilm about the murders. Apparently he wanted Dennehy to give a sympathetic portrayal; Dennehy never responded and said the letters were quite disturbing and creepy. And he didn't grant Gacy's wish for the type of characterization Gacy sought--his portrayal was dark and very unnerving.
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Post by clusium on Mar 19, 2020 19:19:19 GMT
You mean people actually wrote him love letters, etc? I know Ted Bundy received loved letters (as the afore-mentioned Bernardo & K. Homolka did). Not certain if Dahmer had any of those type of correspondents (what in the world do they write about?), but he had a bit of a cult following at one time. This is a small promo piece interviewing one of the actors who played in My Friend Dahmer: attitude.co.uk/article/ross-lynch-on-jeffrey-dahmers-perverse-cult-following-i-think-the-fascination-is-with-the-extreme-1/18016/Nothing profound in it, but the title sort of sums it up. Apparently there's no behavior too ghastly or perverse that it won't draw some people into total fascination with it. Gacy supposedly got his share of fan letters. He also wrote some, including a couple to actor Brian Dennehy, who portrayed Gacy in a telefilm about the murders. Apparently he wanted Dennehy to give a sympathetic portrayal; Dennehy never responded and said the letters were quite disturbing and creepy. And he didn't grant Gacy's wish for the type of characterization Gacy sought--his portrayal was dark and very unnerving. Yeah, I know Gacy wrote to Brian Dennehy, regarding playing him in To Catch a Killer. Dennehy did a fantastic job portraying as the evil incarnate that he was. I much preferred To Catch a Killer or the much later movie Gacy.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 19, 2020 21:45:44 GMT
Not certain if Dahmer had any of those type of correspondents (what in the world do they write about?), but he had a bit of a cult following at one time. This is a small promo piece interviewing one of the actors who played in My Friend Dahmer: attitude.co.uk/article/ross-lynch-on-jeffrey-dahmers-perverse-cult-following-i-think-the-fascination-is-with-the-extreme-1/18016/Nothing profound in it, but the title sort of sums it up. Apparently there's no behavior too ghastly or perverse that it won't draw some people into total fascination with it. Gacy supposedly got his share of fan letters. He also wrote some, including a couple to actor Brian Dennehy, who portrayed Gacy in a telefilm about the murders. Apparently he wanted Dennehy to give a sympathetic portrayal; Dennehy never responded and said the letters were quite disturbing and creepy. And he didn't grant Gacy's wish for the type of characterization Gacy sought--his portrayal was dark and very unnerving. Yeah, I know Gacy wrote to Brian Dennehy, regarding playing him in To Catch a Killer. Dennehy did a fantastic job portraying as the evil incarnate that he was. I much preferred To Catch a Killer or the much later movie Gacy. Agreed. TCAK was probably one of the best true-crime dramatizations ever, topping even many a theatrical release. I found it even better than Gacy, although the lead actor in that film bore a closer physical resemblance to the real man than Dennehy did. An interesting side note is that I worked, some years back with a guy whose mother had worked at a fast-food franchise Gacy managed. According to him, his mother said all the employees loved Gacy and were stunned about the news of the murders; some refused to believe it. And apparently there are some people who were acquainted with him who still refuse to believe he was responsible for them to this day.
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Post by clusium on Mar 19, 2020 22:51:59 GMT
Yeah, I know Gacy wrote to Brian Dennehy, regarding playing him in To Catch a Killer. Dennehy did a fantastic job portraying as the evil incarnate that he was. I much preferred To Catch a Killer or the much later movie Gacy.Agreed. TCAK was probably one of the best true-crime dramatizations ever, topping even many a theatrical release. I found it even better than Gacy, although the lead actor in that film bore a closer physical resemblance to the real man than Dennehy did. An interesting side note is that I worked, some years back with a guy whose mother had worked at a fast-food franchise Gacy managed. According to him, his mother said all the employees loved Gacy and were stunned about the news of the murders; some refused to believe it. And apparently there are some people who were acquainted with him who still refuse to believe he was responsible for them to this day. Yeah, if one is going to be evil & get away with, one has to have a really nice exterior. The nicer you come across, the lesser people will accuse you. Even in TCAK, there is one scene where Kozenczak tells his superior that he believes that Gacy kidnapped the kid from the pharmacy, & his superior knows Gacy, & is surprised that Kozenczak is accusing him of this particular crime.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 20, 2020 0:09:20 GMT
Agreed. TCAK was probably one of the best true-crime dramatizations ever, topping even many a theatrical release. I found it even better than Gacy, although the lead actor in that film bore a closer physical resemblance to the real man than Dennehy did. An interesting side note is that I worked, some years back with a guy whose mother had worked at a fast-food franchise Gacy managed. According to him, his mother said all the employees loved Gacy and were stunned about the news of the murders; some refused to believe it. And apparently there are some people who were acquainted with him who still refuse to believe he was responsible for them to this day. Yeah, if one is going to be evil & get away with, one has to have a really nice exterior. The nicer you come across, the lesser people will accuse you. Even in TCAK, there is one scene where Kozenczak tells his superior that he believes that Gacy kidnapped the kid from the pharmacy, & his superior knows Gacy, & is surprised that Kozenczak is accusing him of this particular crime. Bundy and quite a lot of other murderers have been described as extremely charismatic. Even Charles Manson was apparently able to charm his followers and inspire extreme devotion among them, especially the women.
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Post by clusium on Mar 20, 2020 0:49:17 GMT
Yeah, if one is going to be evil & get away with, one has to have a really nice exterior. The nicer you come across, the lesser people will accuse you. Even in TCAK, there is one scene where Kozenczak tells his superior that he believes that Gacy kidnapped the kid from the pharmacy, & his superior knows Gacy, & is surprised that Kozenczak is accusing him of this particular crime. Bundy and quite a lot of other murderers have been described as extremely charismatic. Even Charles Manson was apparently able to charm his followers and inspire extreme devotion among them, especially the women. Bernardo was like that too.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 20, 2020 10:59:17 GMT
Bundy and quite a lot of other murderers have been described as extremely charismatic. Even Charles Manson was apparently able to charm his followers and inspire extreme devotion among them, especially the women. Bernardo was like that too. Just wiki'd Bernardo--I'd heard his name before, but wasn't overly acquainted with his history-- sheesh. I noted the part where he was told by his mother that he's been conceived as the product of an extramarital affair. Seems as if mom and apple pie always have some role in producing these types, unfair though that is to mom and apple pie. I hate to say there's a particular 'look' to a lot of these types...and yet:
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Post by clusium on Mar 20, 2020 14:24:58 GMT
Bernardo was like that too. Just wiki'd Bernardo--I'd heard his name before, but wasn't overly acquainted with his history-- sheesh. I noted the part where he was told by his mother that he's been conceived as the product of an extramarital affair. Seems as if mom and apple pie always have some role in producing these types, unfair though that is to mom and apple pie. I hate to say there's a particular 'look' to a lot of these types...and yet: Yes. Karla Homolka too. She now has a new husband & 3 children of her own (exact same number as the people whom she helped her first husband kill).
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Post by amyghost on Mar 20, 2020 14:37:10 GMT
Just wiki'd Bernardo--I'd heard his name before, but wasn't overly acquainted with his history-- sheesh. I noted the part where he was told by his mother that he's been conceived as the product of an extramarital affair. Seems as if mom and apple pie always have some role in producing these types, unfair though that is to mom and apple pie. I hate to say there's a particular 'look' to a lot of these types...and yet: Yes. Karla Homolka too. She now has a new husband & 3 children of her own (exact same number as the people whom she helped her first husband kill). Absolutely jaw-dropping that she was released.
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Post by clusium on Mar 20, 2020 18:35:53 GMT
Yes. Karla Homolka too. She now has a new husband & 3 children of her own (exact same number as the people whom she helped her first husband kill). Absolutely jaw-dropping that she was released. Definitely. She managed to cop a plea-bargain which saw her only receive a paltry 12 years for helping him kill her own sister & those 2 other girls.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 21, 2020 3:35:50 GMT
nohne of these are that bad guys...
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Post by clusium on Mar 21, 2020 14:28:15 GMT
Not certain if Dahmer had any of those type of correspondents (what in the world do they write about?), but he had a bit of a cult following at one time. This is a small promo piece interviewing one of the actors who played in My Friend Dahmer: attitude.co.uk/article/ross-lynch-on-jeffrey-dahmers-perverse-cult-following-i-think-the-fascination-is-with-the-extreme-1/18016/Nothing profound in it, but the title sort of sums it up. Apparently there's no behavior too ghastly or perverse that it won't draw some people into total fascination with it. Gacy supposedly got his share of fan letters. He also wrote some, including a couple to actor Brian Dennehy, who portrayed Gacy in a telefilm about the murders. Apparently he wanted Dennehy to give a sympathetic portrayal; Dennehy never responded and said the letters were quite disturbing and creepy. And he didn't grant Gacy's wish for the type of characterization Gacy sought--his portrayal was dark and very unnerving. What is disturbing, that these psycho's used their looks to get at their prey. They weren't exactly stunners, but weren't ugly and they coveted their victims too, to satiate their own lustful needs. Dhamer and Bundy came from dysfunctional families, but from what I have read, it didn't appear anything extreme or out of the ordinary, unlike what Aileen Wuronos experienced. They also had high IQ's....
Gacy was just a creepy package all over. I think I may have mentioned this, but I have a 110min version on vhs of To Catch A Killer with Dennehy. Only watched once and it covered the investigation mostly. I need to see the full version. Have to look on you-tube. Dennehy was not an ugly man, despite his large size and has plenty of charisma.
Yeah TCAK on Youtube.com Actually, regarding Jeffrey Dahmer, Scott (the guy who does all these videos)did one on a couple of his victims too (think I shared it here, actually).
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