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Post by petrolino on Mar 20, 2020 23:13:49 GMT
The Dirty Dozen
'Sinner Not A Saint' - Trini Lopez
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Prisoners
Clint Walker as Samson Posey (number 1: death by hanging)
Donald Sutherland as Vernon L. Pinkley (number 2: 30 years imprisonment)
Jim Brown as Robert T. Jefferson (number 3: death by hanging)
Ben Carruthers as S. Glenn Gilpin (number 4: 30 years hard labor)
Stuart Cooper as Roscoe Lever (number 5: 20 years imprisonment)
Tom Busby as Milo Vladek (number 6: 30 years hard labor)
Colin Maitland as Seth K. Sawyer (number 7: 20 years hard labor)
Telly Savalas as Archer J. Maggott (number 8: death by hanging)
Charles Bronson as Joseph Wladislaw (number 9: death by hanging)
Trini Lopez as Pedro Jimenez (number 10: 20 years hard labor)
John Cassavetes as Victor R. Franko (number 11: death by hanging)
Al Mancini as Tassos R. Bravos (number 12: 20 years hard labor)
'I'm Comin' Home, Cindy' - Trini Lopez
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Officers
Lee Marvin as Major John Reisman
George Roubicek as Private Arthur James Gardner
Robert Phillips as Corporal Carl Morgan
Richard Jaeckel as Sergeant Clyde Bowren
Ralph Meeker as Captain Stuart Kinder
George Kennedy as Major Max Armbruster
Ernest Borgnine as Major Gen. Sam Worden
Robert Ryan as Colonel Everett Dasher Breed
Robert Webber as Brigadier General James Denton
'Lemon Tree' - Trini Lopez
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Sequels
'The Blizzard Song' - Trini Lopez
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Post by Isapop on Mar 20, 2020 23:29:14 GMT
So how about all the hookers?
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Post by OldAussie on Mar 20, 2020 23:30:31 GMT
From IMDB trivia
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Post by petrolino on Mar 20, 2020 23:39:35 GMT
I read that Jack Palance, who'd worked with director Robert Aldrich on 'Attack' (1956), was asked to play racist rapist Maggott. The role went to Telly Savalas.
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Post by petrolino on Mar 20, 2020 23:40:23 GMT
So how about all the hookers? Add hookers, dealers, pimps and Nazis.
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Post by teleadm on Mar 20, 2020 23:54:37 GMT
I was looking on the pic of Robert Webber, and wondered what kind of hair pomada did they use in older movies that could reflect light...
On DVD extra Donald Sutherland said it was this movie that was the reason he had a career at all, the lines he spoke was meant for another actor who was troublesome, Aldrich just said "anyone else knowing the lines". Sutherland was hired as an extra.
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Post by wmcclain on Mar 21, 2020 0:29:58 GMT
The Dirty Dozen (1967), directed by Robert Aldrich. A maverick Major takes twelve scruffy military convicts, some with minds focused by imminent hanging, on a suicide mission just before D-Day. Only one of the prisoners survives. As an action fantasy the plot is ludicrous but very satisfying. Much comedy and a great concentration of talent. Lee Marvin had a cool, cynical intensity I don't think anyone else could do. John Wayne turned down the role. The actual mission is only the last 45 minutes. Most of the time is spent selecting and training the prisoners, with a comic war-game sequence to show they now have the right stuff. I didn't quite follow their intricate plan for storming the chateau, nor how it all fell apart. A problem is that half of the dozen (including Donald Sutherland) are the more anonymous "Back Six" and it's hard to keep track of what happens to who. Aldrich said this was meant to be a more skeptical 1950s perspective on 1940s events. That revolution, disaffection and disobedience to authority were on the rise in the 1960s just amped that up and made a natural fit for what he was trying to do. Major Reisman and his men hate their own superiors as much as the nazis. We get the feeling he took the mission because he couldn't stand duty in the regular Army. Looking at the wikipedia article I am struck by how hostile the critics were, objecting to the violence. This after decades of mowing down hecatombs of Germans in uncounted films. Perhaps it was the casual, almost flippant nature of the killing. Or the fact that some of the dozen were psychos, or that the ultimate success of the mission required dumping gasoline on the German officers and their women in their bunker and burning them alive. Score by Frank De Vol, to whom I haven't paid much attention, but have been hearing often recently: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965), Pillow Talk (1959), Attack (1956). Available on Blu-ray. It's not pretty, although some of that may be due to the film itself. They don't call it olive drab for nothing. The commentary track is of that patched together type. It has some good bits: the director's letters to his producer are vivid passages. The actors provide some stories. My favorite segments are by Marine Captain Dale Dye, who runs a training camp for actors who need to be soldiers. He gives a hilarious un-Hollywood perspective and I wish he'd been allowed a whole track. He adores Lee Marvin (USMC) and always points out the other actors who had WW2 service and knew how to wear the uniforms and hold their weapons: Richard Jaeckel, Robert Webber, Robert Ryan, Telly Savalas, Charles Bronson, Ernest Borgnine, Clint Walker.
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 21, 2020 0:33:13 GMT
A silly premise, but I love the movie. When I look at film of the Saudi army I think, "Your men are very pretty, colonel. But can they fight?"
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Post by hi224 on Mar 21, 2020 0:36:04 GMT
I was looking on the pic of Robert Webber, and wondered what kind of hair pomada did they use in older movies that could reflect light... On DVD extra Donald Sutherland said it was this movie that was the reason he had a career at all, the lines he spoke was meant for another actor who was troublesome, Aldrich just said "anyone else knowing the lines". Sutherland was hired as an extra. didn't realize that at all. I've read as well Sutherland himself could be a bit tough to work with as well.
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Post by OldAussie on Mar 21, 2020 0:36:07 GMT
since it's been mentioned...great scene
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 21, 2020 1:00:20 GMT
Anyone think the scene of the Germans in the cellar was a dark allusion to Auschwitz? People crowded into a chamber and killed by lethal objects dropped from above and protected by wire mesh – gasoline and grenades instead of Zyklon B.
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Post by petrolino on Mar 21, 2020 1:02:04 GMT
The Dirty Dozen (1967), directed by Robert Aldrich. A maverick Major takes twelve scruffy military convicts, some with minds focused by imminent hanging, on a suicide mission just before D-Day. Only one of the prisoners survives. As an action fantasy the plot is ludicrous but very satisfying. Much comedy and a great concentration of talent. Lee Marvin had a cool, cynical intensity I don't think anyone else could do. John Wayne turned down the role.
I think the plot owes a debt to Roger Corman's 'Five Guns West' (1955), scripted by regular collaborator R. Wright Campbell, later retooled as 'The Secret Invasion' (1964).
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Post by petrolino on Mar 21, 2020 1:16:08 GMT
Anyone think the scene of the Germans in the cellar was a dark allusion to Auschwitz? People crowded into a chamber and killed by lethal objects dropped from above and protected by wire mesh – gasoline and grenades instead of Zyklon B. Could be. And Jim Brown shows his football skills in the movie.
Speaking of which, fun fact for music fans; the drummer on some of Trini Lopez's best-known tracks was Mickey Jones of the First Edition.
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 21, 2020 1:18:11 GMT
The resolute Charles Bronson makes it to a foreign country in The Great Escape and survives the chateau mission in The Dirty Dozen!
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Post by petrolino on Mar 21, 2020 1:19:56 GMT
The resolute Charles Bronson makes it to a foreign country in The Great Escape and survives the chateau mission in The Dirty Dozen!
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 21, 2020 1:26:20 GMT
When The Dirty Dozen was still in theaters in 1967, I went to visit a friend from undergrad days who was enrolled in a theological seminary. He spun me a theory that the movie was based on Jesus and his twelve disciples. As I remember, he couldn’t carry the comparison very far except for a leader, 12 followers he was training, a Last Supper scene, and the bunch being betrayed by one of them (Maggot abandoning the mission to kill a hooker). It wasn’t very convincing. Only a handful of the 12 convicts have any personality or presence. Only Cassavetes, Brown, Bronson, Savalas, and Sutherland with Walker and Lopez possible in-betweens. And speaking of Trini Lopez – as the production was heading toward completion, Lopez decided to make a power play. He was going to quit right in the middle of production if not given more money. Aldrich and the producers declined his offer. By the time Lopez decided it was in his interest to come back under original terms, his abrupt off-camera death had already been filmed. Bye bye Trini.
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 21, 2020 1:33:58 GMT
And speaking of Trini Lopez – as the production was heading toward completion, Lopez decided to make a power play. He was going to quit right in the middle of production if not given more money. Aldrich and the producers declined his offer. Buy the time Lopez decided it was in his interest to come back under original terms, his abrupt off-camera death had already been filmed. Bye bye Trini. The Mad Magazine parody showed Trini Lopez's faulty parachute with "Inspected by Robert Aldrich" written on it.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 21, 2020 1:43:17 GMT
And speaking of Trini Lopez – as the production was heading toward completion, Lopez decided to make a power play. He was going to quit right in the middle of production if not given more money. Aldrich and the producers declined his offer. By the time Lopez decided it was in his interest to come back under original terms, his abrupt off-camera death had already been filmed. Bye bye Trini. The Mad Magazine parody showed Trini Lopez's faulty parachute with "Inspected by Robert Aldrich" written on it.
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Post by OldAussie on Mar 21, 2020 2:46:18 GMT
The resolute Charles Bronson makes it to a foreign country in The Great Escape and survives the chateau mission in The Dirty Dozen! but he couldn't survive The Magnificent Seven!
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 21, 2020 2:52:14 GMT
The resolute Charles Bronson makes it to a foreign country in The Great Escape and survives the chateau mission in The Dirty Dozen! but he couldn't survive The Magnificent Seven! Two out of three ain't bad! McQueen lives through The Magnificent Seven and The Great Escape.
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