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Post by poelzig on Mar 21, 2020 2:55:55 GMT
The resolute Charles Bronson makes it to a foreign country in The Great Escape and survives the chateau mission in The Dirty Dozen! but he couldn't survive The Magnificent Seven! Dang it. Beat me to it. Although technically it was the Mexican bandits he couldn't survive.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 21, 2020 12:09:24 GMT
And speaking of Trini Lopez – as the production was heading toward completion, Lopez decided to make a power play. He was going to quit right in the middle of production if not given more money. Aldrich and the producers declined his offer. Buy the time Lopez decided it was in his interest to come back under original terms, his abrupt off-camera death had already been filmed. Bye bye Trini. The Mad Magazine parody showed Trini Lopez's faulty parachute with "Inspected by Robert Aldrich" written on it. And in the parody Lopez is ordered to state his crime and punishment: "My crime: thinking I can act! My punishment: getting written out of this picture as soon as possiblay!"
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Mar 21, 2020 19:24:33 GMT
Great thread, my Dad enjoyed the pictures when I showed him on my phone - it's a family tradition to watch it every year without fail - we keep watching in the hope Franko lives at the end.
E. M. Nathanson wrote the novel based on an actual incident in WWII. One of the most quintessential macho movies of all time. The Dirty Dozen is directed by Robert Aldrich and adapted for the screen by Nunnally Johnson & Lukas Heller from the novel by E. M. Nathanson. It stars Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Telly Savalas, Charles Bronson, John Cassavetes, Donald Sutherland, Richard Jaeckel, Robert Ryan and Jim Brown. 1944, just prior to D-Day... Major Reisman (Marvin) is a none conformist kind of guy and he riles the higher brass no end, so it comes as no surprise to him that he is the man assigned the unenviable task of assembling a suicide squad of army criminals for a mission to destroy a château in France. This particular château has no military value as such, but as it is used by many of the Nazi big chiefs, destroying it whilst they relax inside will upset the German plans immensely. But can this rag tag band of murderers, rapists and thieves shape up into something resembling a fighting force? Their reward, should they survive the mission, is amnesty, but Reisman for sure has his hands full on both sides of the war. "One: down to the road block, we've just begun.. Two: the guards are through.. Three: the Major's men are on a spree.. Four: Major and Wladislaw go through the door.. Five: Pinkley stays out in the drive.. Six: the Major gives the rope a fix.. Seven: Wladislaw throws the hook to heaven.. Eight: Jiménez has got a date.. Nine: the other guys go up the line.. Ten: Sawyer and Gilpin are in the pen.. Eleven: Posey guards points five and seven.. Twelve: Wladislaw and the Major go down to delve.. Thirteen: Franko goes up without being seen.. Fourteen: Zero-hour, Jiménez cuts the cable, Franko cuts the phone.. Fifteen: Franko goes in where the others have been.. Sixteen: We all come out like it's Halloween..." The Dirty Dozen has become one of those films that is a perennial holiday favourite like The Great Escape, Zulu and The Magnificent Seven. Which while it most definitely deserves such big exposure, it's a little surprising it's part of the holiday viewing schedules given its cynicism and amoral core, something which is one of the many great & intriguing things about Aldrich's testosterone laced movie. Met with mixed reviews on release, with the negative side of the fence bemoaning its nasty violence and preposterous plot, The Dirty Dozen none the less performed great at the box office where it was the fifth highest grosser of the year and the number one money maker in terms of profit to budget. Coming as it did during the middle of the Vietnam War, it was evident that the paying public quite easily bought into the thematics of it all. Over 50 years since it first lured people into the picture houses, Aldrich's movie shows no sign of aged frayed edges, or better still, and more remarkable, the enjoyability factors it holds has not diminished. What makes it a great film, then? First off is the all-star macho cast assembled by Aldrich and his team, big hitters like Marvin (stepping in when John Wayne balked at the script), Borgnine, Kennedy, Ryan and Bronson were already names to the public, but these are also supplemented by soon to be "stars" like Cassavetes, Sutherland and Savalas (also stepping into a role vacated by another, this time Jack Palance who didn't like the racial aggression of the character) & stoic performers like Jaeckel & Robert Webber. Into the mix is curio value with the casting of singer Trini Lopez and Gridiron star Jim Brown. Throw Clint Walker into the pot as well and you have got a considerable amount of beef in the stew! Secondly the film led the way for a slew of movies that featured bad guys as heroes, so with that Aldrich's film holds up well as being a hugely influential piece. Then thirdly is that not only is it intermittently funny as the violence explodes on the screen, but that it's also chocked full of action and adventure. All that and for those so inclined you can find questionable morals under scrutiny and see the "war is hell" banner firmly flown during the nastiness of the missions' culmination. Split into three parts - meet the guys - see them train - and then the mission, pic has been criticised for its lack of realism, but is that really needed in what is essentially a male fantasy piece setting out to entertain? Besides which, lets applaud it for acknowledging that brutality and atrocities were committed on both sides of the fence, rest assured, The Dirty Dozen still had enough edginess about it back in the 60s! It's also true enough to say that the characters, are in the main, stereotypes, and that the unravelling story is a touch clichéd, but these are men that men want to be (okay maybe not Savalas' religious maniac rapist!) and men that women can cast a flirtatious eye over - there's plenty of character here to hang your hats and undergarments on as they appeal to the inner rebel hidden away in many a viewer. The messages in here are not sledge hammered into the story (Aldrich always said he wasn't making a message movie, just a film about camaraderie and unlikely heroes), and the construction of the action is top notch from one of America's most under appreciated directors. It's nicely shot in 70mm MetroColor/MetroScope by Edward Scaife (Night of the Demon/Khartoum) and features a suitably boisterous music score from Frank De Vol (Cat Ballou/The Flight of the Phoenix). It's a far from flawless picture, of that there is no doubt, but it's loved by millions and continues to gain an audience yearly by those who are willing to view it on its own entertaining terms. As a boy I wanted to be Lee Marvin because of this film, as a middle aged man now, I still want to be Lee Marvin in this film. That's yet another reason why The Dirty Dozen is so great. 10/10
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Post by politicidal on Mar 21, 2020 23:14:05 GMT
6/10. It gets the job done. But it’s never been one of my favorites.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Mar 22, 2020 21:26:07 GMT
And speaking of Trini Lopez – as the production was heading toward completion, Lopez decided to make a power play. He was going to quit right in the middle of production if not given more money. Aldrich and the producers declined his offer. Buy the time Lopez decided it was in his interest to come back under original terms, his abrupt off-camera death had already been filmed. Bye bye Trini. The Mad Magazine parody showed Trini Lopez's faulty parachute with "Inspected by Robert Aldrich" written on it. Genius!
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Post by fangirl1975 on Mar 23, 2020 17:15:33 GMT
This picture is stereotypically called a "guy flick", however I'm a gal who enjoys it immensely .
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 23, 2020 17:45:46 GMT
Is there anything more macho than taping magazines together for faster change-outs under fire, even at a training base in England? After all, Lee Marvin and Steve McQueen did it. Probably not, but Young Bravo diligently eschewed it during his Days of Glory. (And M-3 "grease guns" were inside armored vehicles back then.)
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