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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 24, 2020 17:00:54 GMT
After watching Sunday's episode of "Batwoman", I'm not sure the word "writing" can even be applied to this show in any way. Literally nothing makes any sense.
I have a theory that they don't actually hire writers for this show. Instead it is a charitable endeavor where they let random homeless people write an episode in exchange for a sandwich and a cup of coffee.
I was really looking forward to this show before it came out and now here we are less than 1 season into it and it's a complete dumpster fire.
BTW, can't anyone in Gotham afford a decent light bulb? It's always so dark. Why would it be so dark in the Crow's HQs building? The lights are on because you can see the lamps and stuff but they apparently have 10 watt bulbs or something. Is that the show runner's excuse for atmosphere and tone? SMH.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 24, 2020 18:24:58 GMT
After watching Sunday's episode of "Batwoman", I'm not sure the word "writing" can even be applied to this show in any way. Literally nothing makes any sense.
I have a theory that they don't actually hire writers for this show. Instead it is a charitable endeavor where they let random homeless people write an episode in exchange for a sandwich and a cup of coffee.
I was really looking forward to this show before it came out and now here we are less than 1 season into it and it's a complete dumpster fire.
BTW, can't anyone in Gotham afford a decent light bulb? It's always so dark. Why would it be so dark in the Crow's HQs building? The lights are on because you can see the lamps and stuff but they apparently have 10 watt bulbs or something. Is that the show runner's excuse for atmosphere and tone? SMH.
I blame the Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica remake from a few years back (How far back? Let's see, it started in 2004 and ended in 2009... Fuck, I'm getting old) - I can't say for certain that it originated, but I feel like it popularized that more dimly lit cinematography that has since become so popular for TV dramas. I enjoyed BSG back in the day, but man, I so often wished they'd turn on the fucking lights. I always felt like Ron Moore did that show in large part in answer to all his criticisms about Star Trek Voyager; and how it always looked prestine and well lit, etc., where he felt that over time it should look more run down as the crew would need to make comprises without access to conventional maintenance and resources. And I get it to a certain degree. I'd point to a show like Days of Our Lives as an example of the opposite extreme; most of the time it's too well lit and just looks like a sound stage and the light is ubiquitous, yet doesn't seem to come from any obvious source. Scrubs, oddly enough, is one I've example I've pointed to which, in spite of being a half hour comedy, bothered to stage the series and subsequently light the shots in a more realistic way - not too dark, not too light; it really was just right to make the scenes realistic, which allowed the drama to be felt through the story and acting (but not through the lighting), without undermining the comedy. And of course other shows do that too. For a "Batman" (or in this case, Batwoman) series, I've always felt that effective use of shadows was important; because the core concept of the character, whether Batman or Batwoman, required a psychological component. It's the one thing I've yet to see done right with virtually any iteration of Batman I've seen. People always know that Batman is real and know that it's a person in a suit, but arguably for Batman to work, there needs to be more uncertainty and more speculation about who or what they saw. The likes of comics or say, the 90's Batman animated series were able to do this well; and arguably they can do that more easily than live action. If you want someone to be in silhouette in the comics, you just color in their body with black ink and don't have to worry so much about where the light source is or isn't, but surely some nuance of that can be done in live action. As for the writing, I don't know what to tell you. As a wannabe writer, I watch shows like This is Us or A Million Little Things, Buffy, Deep Space Nine, etc. and think, this is what writing is supposed to be; this is art. Then I watch stuff like the Arrowverse shows or Days of Our Lives and it honestly makes me mad that there are hacks getting paid for this shit and I'm not. Admittedly they live where those types of jobs are and I don't and don't want to live there, so I can't complain too much, but just the sheer low standards of quality really cork me off. Even more so when you look at the first season or two of Arrow or the first season of The Flash and how good that was, then look at the later content and how much it dropped off.... Batwoman came close to a damn good episode when they brought the other Beth on and it actually looked like they were going to stick the landing; until they shit all over themselves at literally the last minute. I haven't wanted to watch it since. And then there's Legends......😔
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Post by dazz on Mar 25, 2020 2:50:13 GMT
After watching Sunday's episode of "Batwoman", I'm not sure the word "writing" can even be applied to this show in any way. Literally nothing makes any sense.
I have a theory that they don't actually hire writers for this show. Instead it is a charitable endeavor where they let random homeless people write an episode in exchange for a sandwich and a cup of coffee.
I was really looking forward to this show before it came out and now here we are less than 1 season into it and it's a complete dumpster fire.
BTW, can't anyone in Gotham afford a decent light bulb? It's always so dark. Why would it be so dark in the Crow's HQs building? The lights are on because you can see the lamps and stuff but they apparently have 10 watt bulbs or something. Is that the show runner's excuse for atmosphere and tone? SMH.
I blame the Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica remake from a few years back (How far back? Let's see, it started in 2004 and ended in 2009... Fuck, I'm getting old) - I can't say for certain that it originated, but I feel like it popularized that more dimly lit cinematography that has since become so popular for TV dramas. I enjoyed BSG back in the day, but man, I so often wished they'd turn on the fucking lights. I always felt like Ron Moore did that show in large part in answer to all his criticisms about Star Trek Voyager; and how it always looked prestine and well lit, etc., where he felt that over time it should look more run down as the crew would need to make comprises without access to conventional maintenance and resources. And I get it to a certain degree. I'd point to a show like Days of Our Lives as an example of the opposite extreme; most of the time it's too well lit and just looks like a sound stage and the light is ubiquitous, yet doesn't seem to come from any obvious source. Scrubs, oddly enough, is one I've example I've pointed to which, in spite of being a half hour comedy, bothered to stage the series and subsequently light the shots in a more realistic way - not too dark, not too light; it really was just right to make the scenes realistic, which allowed the drama to be felt through the story and acting (but not through the lighting), without undermining the comedy. And of course other shows do that too. For a "Batman" (or in this case, Batwoman) series, I've always felt that effective use of shadows was important; because the core concept of the character, whether Batman or Batwoman, required a psychological component. It's the one thing I've yet to see done right with virtually any iteration of Batman I've seen. People always know that Batman is real and know that it's a person in a suit, but arguably for Batman to work, there needs to be more uncertainty and more speculation about who or what they saw. The likes of comics or say, the 90's Batman animated series were able to do this well; and arguably they can do that more easily than live action. If you want someone to be in silhouette in the comics, you just color in their body with black ink and don't have to worry so much about where the light source is or isn't, but surely some nuance of that can be done in live action. As for the writing, I don't know what to tell you. As a wannabe writer, I watch shows like This is Us or A Million Little Things, Buffy, Deep Space Nine, etc. and think, this is what writing is supposed to be; this is art. Then I watch stuff like the Arrowverse shows or Days of Our Lives and it honestly makes me mad that there are hacks getting paid for this shit and I'm not. Admittedly they live where those types of jobs are and I don't and don't want to live there, so I can't complain too much, but just the sheer low standards of quality really cork me off. Even more so when you look at the first season or two of Arrow or the first season of The Flash and how good that was, then look at the later content and how much it dropped off.... Batwoman came close to a damn good episode when they brought the other Beth on and it actually looked like they were going to stick the landing; until they shit all over themselves at literally the last minute. I haven't wanted to watch it since. And then there's Legends......😔 Always felt like the had a solid group of writers to start with which they then moved 80% off of Arrow to Flash and then they just kept splitting the group more and more per show, so now the talent is so watered down by the paint by numbers or incompetent writers that the good shit doesn't manage to shine through anymore, or they just gave up because why write a great episode if it will be sandwiched between the god awful ones which will negate any of the good you do?
LOT is a stupid show, I try to watch that now as if the writers are each taking a different illicit substance and writing chunks of any given episode, the performances by most of the cast is enough to make it fun even if it is empty entertainment.
Batwoman I am more positive n because honestly I expected worse than LOT S1 and for me it hasn't been that bad, still mediocre as fuck but nowhere near as moronic and worthless as S1 of Legends imo.
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