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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 18:47:07 GMT
ive never understood the hype around this potential match nor the disappointment that it never came to fruition!
there is nothing the two have in common other than being top stars during their respective WWF/WWE careers the Texas Rattlesnake is a "Beer drinking, foul mouthed, SOB" while Hulkamania is "100% Red White and Blue USA" nothing to suggest the two would've had any in ring chemistry in a potential one on one match
same with Sting & Taker ive never understood why folks want this match other than both having a gothic gimmick they have nothing in common! wrestling wise
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Post by Nike316 on Apr 3, 2020 23:28:22 GMT
They're the two biggest wrestlers ever and for them to have a match probably could've put WWE over the top hype wise. Their styles are very different indeed, but just seeing them in the ring together would've been enough to drive the fans wild given their star power, and the unlikeliness of ever seeing it happen. There's also something to be said about the tension they had, dating back to the mid 90s up to the early 2000s. Stone Cold obviously still held some resentment towards Hulk Hogan for playing a part in keeping him down back when they were both in WCW, and Hulk Hogan obviously wanted a match with Stone Cold after competing against him during the Monday Night Wars. Unfortunately the feelings weren't mutual, as Stone Cold also didn't see the chemistry given how different their styles were, and the age factor not playing into Hulk Hogan's favor, but I think they still could've created a magic moment together like no other, looking at the video down below. The potential was definitely there.
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Post by MooseNugget on Apr 4, 2020 5:30:53 GMT
They were both top guys in the two biggest companies in The World at the same time. I wouldn't have been a five star match but people would have been more interested in the spectacle of it happening. Same thing with Sting and Undertaker.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 6:01:13 GMT
If it was NWO Hogan vs Austin it'd have made more sense but honestly, I don't think it would have topped Hogan vs Rock. The "All American" *barf* Hogan vs Austin wouldn't have been a good story in any way imo. The match itself, based on when it would have happened would have sucked as it would have been just brawling and signature moves here and there. Kind of like Rock/Hogan but imo worse.
With Sting and Taker, it would have been cool at one point but that point was long gone by the time it possibly really could have happened. There should be zero interest in it now. If you want to watch 2 old dudes wrestle just watch Taker vs Goldberg and realize why that was a dumpster fire. Imo you need to have somebody in the match that can sell it and it's rarely ever another old timer.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 4, 2020 10:36:13 GMT
Hogan's ego was too big even for this.
Honestly though, Rock truly was the better persona & style dance partner for a Hogan match. Austin was too great a wrestler to sell to Hogan's skillset. Think Austin v Vince matches... just completely put together for heat but the matches were lame.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 4, 2020 10:37:42 GMT
They were both top guys in the two biggest companies in The World at the same time. I wouldn't have been a five star match but people would have been more interested in the spectacle of it happening. Same thing with Sting and Undertaker. Sting v Hollywood Hogan feud was one of the greatest ever. When they finally squared off though, it felt nearly underwhelming.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Apr 4, 2020 20:56:07 GMT
They were both top guys in the two biggest companies in The World at the same time. I wouldn't have been a five star match but people would have been more interested in the spectacle of it happening. Same thing with Sting and Undertaker. Sting v Hollywood Hogan feud was one of the greatest ever. When they finally squared off though, it felt nearly underwhelming. It was one of the greatest builds to an in ring feud ever, but the in ring part sucked. You can blame whoever you want. Hogan's ego, Sting not kicking out, blah blah. When you're building a match for 15 months and your pay off isn't the babyface kicking the heel's arse and beating him clean in the middle of the ring then you have no idea what you're doing. No, let's have the heel take 90% of the match and then beat the hero clean, only for a debuting Bret Hart to screw the heel out of his victory. Then, a night later, instead of making up for this botched clusterfuck of a finish have them work pretty much the same match with Hogan (the heel) getting screwed again. You just can't make this up. They built up a match so well that it was almost impossible to screw up. Have Hart come out in the ref's shirt and scare off Nick Patrick before the match starts so Hogan's plan of an NWO ref falls through. Have Sting dominate the match, NWO COMES in. Luger, Flair, other WCW guys fight them off. Sting puts Hogan in the scorpion death lock and wins clean. Hogan runs out with his tail between his legs with his bested NWO buddies. The WCW guys come out and celebrate with Sting. Any heat the NWO loses they can get back with their own PPV a month later. How fucking hard is that? |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 5, 2020 3:07:05 GMT
Sting v Hollywood Hogan feud was one of the greatest ever. When they finally squared off though, it felt nearly underwhelming. It was one of the greatest builds to an in ring feud ever, but the in ring part sucked. You can blame whoever you want. Hogan's ego, Sting not kicking out, blah blah. When you're building a match for 15 months and your pay off isn't the babyface kicking the heel's arse and beating him clean in the middle of the ring then you have no idea what you're doing. No, let's have the heel take 90% of the match and then beat the hero clean, only for a debuting Bret Hart to screw the heel out of his victory. Then, a night later, instead of making up for this botched clusterfuck of a finish have them work pretty much the same match with Hogan (the heel) getting screwed again. You just can't make this up. They built up a match so well that it was almost impossible to screw up. Have Hart come out in the ref's shirt and scare off Nick Patrick before the match starts so Hogan's plan of an NWO ref falls through. Have Sting dominate the match, NWO COMES in. Luger, Flair, other WCW guys fight them off. Sting puts Hogan in the scorpion death lock and wins clean. Hogan runs out with his tail between his legs with his bested NWO buddies. The WCW guys come out and celebrate with Sting. Any heat the NWO loses they can get back with their own PPV a month later. How fucking hard is that? I'm not afraid to admit, the entire payoff remains a blur to me. I know Hogan faced Sting at Starrcade that year, I've the DVD set from WWE from a few years ago. I see that there was a slow count being sold as a fast count, which screwed things up. I thought for sure I'd seen a re-match on tv of Hogan & Sting... maybe that was another ppv screw up. Ahh here it is: The next night on Nitro, Hogan protested the decision claiming that Patrick's decision should have been considered final and a rematch was granted. The match ran over Nitro's allotted time slot and the finish was aired later in the week on the inaugural episode of Thunder. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_(wrestler)#Feud_with_the_New_World_Order_(1996–1998)
lols that's so f'n funny... the re-match to a botched finish ran out of time on Nitro... so they needed Thunder to wrap it. I remember that now. Talk about a sinking ship.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Apr 5, 2020 4:00:08 GMT
It gets worse when the end of the nitro match also has Hogan winning clean after kicking Sting's arse and getting screwed put of another rightful victory.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Apr 5, 2020 4:01:31 GMT
It was one of the greatest builds to an in ring feud ever, but the in ring part sucked. You can blame whoever you want. Hogan's ego, Sting not kicking out, blah blah. When you're building a match for 15 months and your pay off isn't the babyface kicking the heel's arse and beating him clean in the middle of the ring then you have no idea what you're doing. No, let's have the heel take 90% of the match and then beat the hero clean, only for a debuting Bret Hart to screw the heel out of his victory. Then, a night later, instead of making up for this botched clusterfuck of a finish have them work pretty much the same match with Hogan (the heel) getting screwed again. You just can't make this up. They built up a match so well that it was almost impossible to screw up. Have Hart come out in the ref's shirt and scare off Nick Patrick before the match starts so Hogan's plan of an NWO ref falls through. Have Sting dominate the match, NWO COMES in. Luger, Flair, other WCW guys fight them off. Sting puts Hogan in the scorpion death lock and wins clean. Hogan runs out with his tail between his legs with his bested NWO buddies. The WCW guys come out and celebrate with Sting. Any heat the NWO loses they can get back with their own PPV a month later. How fucking hard is that? I'm not afraid to admit, the entire payoff remains a blur to me. I know Hogan faced Sting at Starrcade that year, I've the DVD set from WWE from a few years ago. I see that there was a slow count being sold as a fast count, which screwed things up. I thought for sure I'd seen a re-match on tv of Hogan & Sting... maybe that was another ppv screw up. Ahh here it is: The next night on Nitro, Hogan protested the decision claiming that Patrick's decision should have been considered final and a rematch was granted. The match ran over Nitro's allotted time slot and the finish was aired later in the week on the inaugural episode of Thunder. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_(wrestler)#Feud_with_the_New_World_Order_(1996–1998)
lols that's so f'n funny... the re-match to a botched finish ran out of time on Nitro... so they needed Thunder to wrap it. I remember that now. Talk about a sinking ship.
They weren't a sinking ship at that stage, they were at the height of their power and popularity. So imagine how much worse the decisions were when they were a sinking ship a year and a half later. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 7:00:03 GMT
Sting v Hollywood Hogan feud was one of the greatest ever. When they finally squared off though, it felt nearly underwhelming. It was one of the greatest builds to an in ring feud ever, but the in ring part sucked. You can blame whoever you want. Hogan's ego, Sting not kicking out, blah blah. When you're building a match for 15 months and your pay off isn't the babyface kicking the heel's arse and beating him clean in the middle of the ring then you have no idea what you're doing. No, let's have the heel take 90% of the match and then beat the hero clean, only for a debuting Bret Hart to screw the heel out of his victory. Then, a night later, instead of making up for this botched clusterfuck of a finish have them work pretty much the same match with Hogan (the heel) getting screwed again. You just can't make this up. They built up a match so well that it was almost impossible to screw up. Have Hart come out in the ref's shirt and scare off Nick Patrick before the match starts so Hogan's plan of an NWO ref falls through. Have Sting dominate the match, NWO COMES in. Luger, Flair, other WCW guys fight them off. Sting puts Hogan in the scorpion death lock and wins clean. Hogan runs out with his tail between his legs with his bested NWO buddies. The WCW guys come out and celebrate with Sting. Any heat the NWO loses they can get back with their own PPV a month later. How fucking hard is that? If WCW had Sting win clean with Brett Hart as the Referee, and then Hart joins WCW's side against the N.W.O ... That would have been great. I think they should have spent 1998 ENDING the N.W.O. After Sting is the Champion and hero of the WCW, Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior (both from WWF) are the opposite of Nash and Hall. They came to help the WCW. Slowly they defeat them. And finally at the 1998 Starrcade it's a winner take all sort of thing. Have Sting, Hart and Warrior (or Luger or Savage, whatever) vs Hogan, Nash and Hall... The founding members of the N.W.O. Have a 6 man tag team cage match, last man standing. Nash and Hall are cheating. Now, building up to this, old WWF guys like Hart, and Warrior, and Savage etc have been in Hogan's ear about how great he used to be and how much they missed the Hulkster. Right as Nash and Hall are about to cheat in this winner take all (winner takes over the company) match... We see Hogan shaking his head. He doesn't want to win this way. He's having a change of heart. The crowd is changing "Hogan, Hogan..." He's got that look in his eyes like "Should I do this?" And then he turns baby face. It's the opposite of the heel turn at Bash at the Beach. He screws over Hall and Nash. Helps the WCW team and they win. Then you have Red/Yellow Hogan back, Goldberg is about to make his run, and Hart, Warrior and Co are now accepted by the WCW fans. Have Hall and Nash with their N.W.O shirts trying to cause problems and maybe in the shadows trying to rebuild the NWO, but they are just a tag team and sometimes individual matches. Phase that out. The N.W.O ran it's course and ruined the WCW. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Apr 5, 2020 7:13:59 GMT
I liked Plumpy's idea of ending the NWO at Bash at the Beach 98. Where they were born so too they should die. Starrcade should have been Goldberg's coronation after winning at WW3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 22:18:10 GMT
I liked Plumpy's idea of ending the NWO at Bash at the Beach 98. Where they were born so too they should die. Starrcade should have been Goldberg's coronation after winning at WW3. It just needed to end. It was run into the ground. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Apr 5, 2020 23:21:22 GMT
And the other part I wouldn't do is turning Hogan face. When he did turn in March '99 that was the straw that broke the camel's back. No one wanted to see Hogan as a face in 1999. Even after the fingerpoke of doom Hogan vs Flair popped two buyrates. Him turning face killed them. There were other factors too: not doing anything with their biggest star Goldberg, turning DDP heel.
Their real problem was Bischoff's faith in Hogan. He always believed that he would win because he had Hogan and Hogan was the biggest star and he completely missed that by mid '98 Hogan wasn't even WCW's biggest star and yet he continued to build around him. Goldberg was their biggest draw and world champion and, multiple times, was left off PPVs. Nash was a big problem too of course. Can you imagine Austin being left off WWE PPVs, not because of injury or storyline, but because they couldn't fit him on the show? You can't make this stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 6:02:54 GMT
And the other part I wouldn't do is turning Hogan face. When he did turn in March '99 that was the straw that broke the camel's back. No one wanted to see Hogan as a face in 1999. Even after the fingerpoke of doom Hogan vs Flair popped two buyrates. Him turning face killed them. There were other factors too: not doing anything with their biggest star Goldberg, turning DDP heel. Their real problem was Bischoff's faith in Hogan. He always believed that he would win because he had Hogan and Hogan was the biggest star and he completely missed that by mid '98 Hogan wasn't even WCW's biggest star and yet he continued to build around him. Goldberg was their biggest draw and world champion and, multiple times, was left off PPVs. Nash was a big problem too of course. Can you imagine Austin being left off WWE PPVs, not because of injury or storyline, but because they couldn't fit him on the show? You can't make this stuff up. I disagree about Hogan turning face. It's the way they executed it that didn't work. Making him be the reason the N.W.O. died after being the reason it succeeded would have worked if done properly. But everything else, I agree with. It was not using Goldberg properly as well as not cultivating their young talent properly that did them in. They built too much around Hogan, yes. He wasn't their biggest draw anymore. But if they scaled back a bit with him and did a proper storyline where he helped the WCW finally defeat the N.W.O it could have worked. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Apr 6, 2020 7:15:22 GMT
Personally, I would have used Hall. It would have been easy to sow dissent due to his winning WW3 and having a title shot. He challenges Sting, Hogan "inadvertantly" costs Hall the match. Nash diffuses things initially but they make it pretty clear it's only loyalty to Nash keeping Hall in the group. In the winner takes all match Hall snaps after Nash is eliminated, hits the Razor's Edge on Hogan and Hart or Flair or Sting or Luger, whoever, gets the pin/ submission. You then have Hall vs Nash, Hall vs Hogan, an Outsiders reunion as babyfaces this time etc. But under no circumstances would I ever turn Hogan face again. That had well and truly run its course. I'd make him a heel, despised by his former NWO cohorts and isolated. He'd be a good foil for Goldberg at some stage, by which point he's run his main event race as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 9:31:00 GMT
Personally, I would have used Hall. It would have been easy to sow dissent due to his winning WW3 and having a title shot. He challenges Sting, Hogan "inadvertantly" costs Hall the match. Nash diffuses things initially but they make it pretty clear it's only loyalty to Nash keeping Hall in the group. In the winner takes all match Hall snaps after Nash is eliminated, hits the Razor's Edge on Hogan and Hart or Flair or Sting or Luger, whoever, gets the pin/ submission. You then have Hall vs Nash, Hall vs Hogan, an Outsiders reunion as babyfaces this time etc. But under no circumstances would I ever turn Hogan face again. That had well and truly run its course. I'd make him a heel, despised by his former NWO cohorts and isolated. He'd be a good foil for Goldberg at some stage, by which point he's run his main event race as far as I'm concerned. That's a good idea too. As long as they got rid of the N.W.O. Red/Yellow Hogan is more of a WWF/WWE property. He was never as over as that Hogan in WCW. He could have split with the N.W.O/Outsiders and just did his Hollywood Hogan persona. That could have worked too. He only worked in WCW as the black beard, yellow mustache, biker, black/white Hogan. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 11, 2020 16:44:21 GMT
I don't know how new it is, but Austin's 1-1 interview/pod with Hogan is pretty mandatory I'd say.
You can often tell a wrestler's story by their older age concerns. Hogan never took huge bumps & his brain is a f'n Wikipedia of knowledge & events of decades & decades of his career. Aside his delivery, his speech is pretty clear. Alas, guy's had nearly every limb & joint f'd up several times.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 12, 2020 2:23:49 GMT
I always wanted to see Goldberg vs Austin more.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 13, 2020 3:47:04 GMT
I always wanted to see Goldberg vs Austin more. As much of a trainwreck it was, the Lesnar-Goldberg ref'd by Austin at WMXX was a needed mess.
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