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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 17, 2020 18:44:48 GMT
Captain Kirk, Zephram Cochrane, and Vina all in one episode! Enjoy.  It's hard for us today to imagine a time when there was no Star Trek, but from '69 to '73 it appeared to be a dead show (with a few ardent fans trying to do CPR on it). By the time this Petrocelli episode was made things were looking better. The Animated Series was already making new episodes, and The Original Series was reviving interest with reruns. I don't know if NBC pulled the plug too early or not, but when people started holding conventions and writing their own fan fiction it became apparent that Star Trek wasn't ready to die yet. |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 17, 2020 19:53:00 GMT
Man, even with flashbacks suggesting otherwise, I'm still skeptical that he didn't do it...  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 17, 2020 20:19:12 GMT
Man, even with flashbacks suggesting otherwise, I'm still skeptical that he didn't do it... Yeah, same here. Either it's the perfect frame, or he did it.
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Post by alpha128 on Apr 18, 2020 0:18:56 GMT
Thanks for sharing!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 18, 2020 0:48:50 GMT
You are welcome!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 28, 2020 19:26:30 GMT
Generation X grew up watching reruns of Star Trek every single day and it was the best thing on TV at the time. The network screwed themselves by canceling too early and by cutting the budget as the show went along.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2020 9:31:13 GMT
Generation X grew up watching reruns of Star Trek every single day and it was the best thing on TV at the time. The network screwed themselves by canceling too early and by cutting the budget as the show went along. That seems a fair assessment. The third season had some good episodes, with "All Our Yesterdays" a standout, but there were also visual signs that the third season was shot on the cheap compared to the first two seasons.
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Post by alpha128 on May 1, 2020 15:02:26 GMT
Generation X grew up watching reruns of Star Trek every single day and it was the best thing on TV at the time. The network screwed themselves by canceling too early and by cutting the budget as the show went along. That seems a fair assessment. The third season had some good episodes, with "All Our Yesterdays" a standout, but there were also visual signs that the third season was shot on the cheap compared to the first two seasons. IMO, the third season had several good episodes, including: - "The Enterprise Incident"
- "The Paradise Syndrome"
- "Spectre of the Gun"
- "Day of the Dove"
- "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
- "The Tholian Web"
- "Wink of an Eye"
- "Elaan of Troyius"
- "Requiem for Methuselah"
- "The Cloud Minders"
- "All Our Yesterdays"
However, Season 3 gets its bad reputation because it had, disproportionately, the largest number of stinkers out of any Star Trek season. Seasons 1 and 2 had perhaps one stinker per season. But Season 3 had: - "And the Children Shall Lead"
- "Plato's Stepchildren"
- "The Empath"
- "The Way to Eden"
I could also throw in "Spock's Brain", but for me that episode is "so bad, it's good".  Speaking of posting Star Trek pictures, I will be starting a new quote thread later today on the Movie Quotes board. Watch for it!
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Post by Jonesy1 on May 1, 2020 20:40:03 GMT
Generation X grew up watching reruns of Star Trek every single day and it was the best thing on TV at the time. The network screwed themselves by canceling too early and by cutting the budget as the show went along. That seems a fair assessment. The third season had some good episodes, with "All Our Yesterdays" a standout, but there were also visual signs that the third season was shot on the cheap compared to the first two seasons. Yes there were some very good episodes in the third season but budget cuts, the change of time slot and the hiring of Fred Freiberger sounded the death knell for Star Trek.
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Post by alpha128 on May 1, 2020 21:00:15 GMT
That seems a fair assessment. The third season had some good episodes, with "All Our Yesterdays" a standout, but there were also visual signs that the third season was shot on the cheap compared to the first two seasons. Yes there were some very good episodes in the third season but budget cuts, the change of time slot and the hiring of Fred Freiberger sounded the death knell for Star Trek. I think Fred Freiberger did the best he could under the circumstances. Gene Roddenberry had deserted the show, the network didn't care about it, and the studio had cut the budget. But Freiberger could be a good producer under the right circumstances, look at his first season work on The Wild Wild West.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2020 21:17:08 GMT
Yes there were some very good episodes in the third season but budget cuts, the change of time slot and the hiring of Fred Freiberger sounded the death knell for Star Trek. I think Fred Freiberger did the best he could under the circumstances. Gene Roddenberry had deserted the show, the network didn't care about it, and the studio had cut the budget. But Freiberger could be a good producer under the right circumstances, look at his first season work on The Wild Wild West. I watched an interview with Martin Landau on YouTube in which he blamed Frieberger for the death of Space: 1999. He was constantly at odds with Frieberger over changes made with the scripts and characters in the second season. As I recall he summed up Fred Frieberger by saying, "He killed our show, just like he killed Star Trek." I also heard that Landau was offered the part of Mr. Spock and turned it down because he didn't want to play a character without emotions. Maybe this was before it was decided that Spock would be only half Vulcan and have a human emotional side that he tried to repress. In the first few episodes of Star Trek there are some annoying inconsistencies, as if they were experimenting and weren't sure what to do with it yet. For example, in the episode "Miri," Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Yeoman Rand beam down with two red shirts, and at the end of the episode both of the red shirts are still alive. That never would have happened on a later episode! However, I agree with you on the first seaon of The Wild Wild West.
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Post by Jonesy1 on May 1, 2020 21:48:06 GMT
I think Fred Freiberger did the best he could under the circumstances. Gene Roddenberry had deserted the show, the network didn't care about it, and the studio had cut the budget. But Freiberger could be a good producer under the right circumstances, look at his first season work on The Wild Wild West. I watched an interview with Martin Landau on YouTube in which he blamed Frieberger for the death of Space: 1999. He was constantly at odds with Frieberger over changes made with the scripts and characters in the second season. As I recall he summed up Fred Frieberger by saying, "He killed our show, just like he killed Star Trek." Freiberger completely destroyed Space 1999. Season 1 was well written and intelligent sci fi, but season 2 put too much emphasis on being action packed, there were far too many cast changes that couldn't be explained and many episodes and many episodes centred far too much on Tony and Maya.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2020 22:14:59 GMT
I watched an interview with Martin Landau on YouTube in which he blamed Frieberger for the death of Space: 1999. He was constantly at odds with Frieberger over changes made with the scripts and characters in the second season. As I recall he summed up Fred Frieberger by saying, "He killed our show, just like he killed Star Trek." Freiberger completely destroyed Space 1999. Season 1 was well written and intelligent sci fi, but season 2 put too much emphasis on being action packed, there were far too many cast changes that couldn't be explained and many episodes and many episodes centred far too much on Tony and Maya. Well said!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 2, 2020 3:20:15 GMT
I watched an interview with Martin Landau on YouTube in which he blamed Frieberger for the death of Space: 1999. He was constantly at odds with Frieberger over changes made with the scripts and characters in the second season. As I recall he summed up Fred Frieberger by saying, "He killed our show, just like he killed Star Trek." I also heard that Landau was offered the part of Mr. Spock and turned it down because he didn't want to play a character without emotions. Maybe this was before it was decided that Spock would be only half Vulcan and have a human emotional side that he tried to repress. In the first few episodes of Star Trek there are some annoying inconsistencies, as if they were experimenting and weren't sure what to do with it yet. For example, in the episode "Miri," Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Yeoman Rand beam down with two red shirts, and at the end of the episode both of the red shirts are still alive. That never would have happened on a later episode! However, I agree with you on the first seaon of The Wild Wild West. Seeing Martin Landau as Spock would be awesome. Too bad they never thought of giving Spock a brother until movies. Yeah, Star Trek V used the old brother-you-never-knew-he-had trick. Third time I've fallen for it this week. 
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 2, 2020 3:29:15 GMT
Speaking of goofs, this is from "The Lorelei Signal." The men are in trouble, so Uhura and Chapel beam down with an all-female rescue team. Can anyone tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?  |
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Post by Jonesy1 on May 2, 2020 8:39:30 GMT
Speaking of goofs, this is from "The Lorelei Signal." The men are in trouble, so Uhura and Chapel beam down with an all-female rescue team. Can anyone tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Yes, they're all wearing red so apart from Uhura they're all going to die.
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Post by alpha128 on May 2, 2020 13:22:34 GMT
Speaking of goofs, this is from "The Lorelei Signal." The men are in trouble, so Uhura and Chapel beam down with an all-female rescue team. Can anyone tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Nurse Chapel is wearing red instead of blue. It might have something to do with the fact that Hal Sutherland was color blind.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on May 2, 2020 14:38:47 GMT
Captain Kirk, Zephram Cochrane, and VINA all in one episode! Enjoy. It's hard for us today to imagine a time when there was no Star Trek, but from '69 to '73 it appeared to be a dead show (with a few ardent fans trying to do CPR on it). By the time this Petrocelli episode was made things were looking better. The Animated Series was already making new episodes, and The Original Series was reviving interest with reruns. I don't know if NBC pulled the plug too early or not, but when people started holding conventions and writing their own fan fiction it became apparent that Star Trek wasn't ready to die yet. 
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 2, 2020 15:12:38 GMT
Speaking of goofs, this is from "The Lorelei Signal." The men are in trouble, so Uhura and Chapel beam down with an all-female rescue team. Can anyone tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Nurse Chapel is wearing red instead of blue. It might have something to do with the fact that Hal Sutherland was color blind. I was unaware of that. Thanks, Alpha 128. Had to rewind and make sure I was seeing it. When they step into the transporter Nurse Chapel's uniform is blue (like it should be), but when they materialize on the planet it's red.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 2, 2020 15:15:39 GMT
Speaking of goofs, this is from "The Lorelei Signal." The men are in trouble, so Uhura and Chapel beam down with an all-female rescue team. Can anyone tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Yes, they're all wearing red so apart from Uhura they're all going to die. They're also not wearing the regulation black pantyhose, but I think that was standard in the cartoon Trek.
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