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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Apr 17, 2020 22:23:19 GMT
"Apocalypse" apart, where she just put the armoured uniform away in order to pose as Psylocke and deceive En Sabah Nur, was Mystique basically naked in "First Class" and "Dark Phoenix", just mimicking her X-Man uniform with her powers?
She can convert her scales or the outer lyer of her skin in anything she wants. She can also create additional mass.
Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for her wearing an uniform which she must drop in the middle of a battle to change her aspect. That would be mad.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 17, 2020 23:15:47 GMT
"Apocalypse" apart, where she just put the armoured uniform away in order to pose as Psylocke and deceive En Sabah Nur, was Mystique basically naked in "First Class" and "Dark Phoenix", just mimicking her X-Man uniform with her powers? She can convert her scales or the outer lyer of her skin in anything she wants. She can also create additional mass. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for her wearing an uniform which she must drop in the middle of a battle to change her aspect. That would be mad. Yes, she is naked all the time. Even in the comics. That's why that excuse of having her walk around naked in the OT didn't make sense to me. They said that she shouldn't be able to change out of her clothes, but at the same time, she turns into other people that wears clothes.
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Post by dazz on Apr 18, 2020 5:24:34 GMT
Yes she was, Mystique has no need for clothes, they just limit her ability to shapeshift, but she cannot turn into anything, she can take the form and texture of things but that's it, as we saw in X1, she could mimic Wolverine's claws in appearance but not in density, also not sure if she can increase her mass, if she could it would give her the ability to mimic the powers of the Blob, or density shift even, she can alter her shape, and shift her mass to mimic being heavier but that's likely it, Mystiques powers have very defined limits in the movies, maybe not so much in the comics who knows, what we do know is her metal claws were still flesh and bone, and even disguised as a statue she still smelled the same to Logan, and we never see her taking the form of anything other than something humanoid.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2020 21:44:20 GMT
Yes she was, Mystique has no need for clothes, they just limit her ability to shapeshift, but she cannot turn into anything, she can take the form and texture of things but that's it, as we saw in X1, she could mimic Wolverine's claws in appearance but not in density, also not sure if she can increase her mass, if she could it would give her the ability to mimic the powers of the Blob, or density shift even, she can alter her shape, and shift her mass to mimic being heavier but that's likely it, Mystiques powers have very defined limits in the movies, maybe not so much in the comics who knows, what we do know is her metal claws were still flesh and bone, and even disguised as a statue she still smelled the same to Logan, and we never see her taking the form of anything other than something humanoid. I think the only thing about clothing limiting her powers is that it was an evolution of her powers. At first, in the comics, she could only change into other people and had to change into their clothes (or find copies of their clothes). It would have been cool if they added that in the movies. In First Class at least. The scene when she was a kid. Have it that she stole Xavier's mom's dress and when she changed back it was shown to be too big. At least then we wouldn't have a naked little girl. Then she learned to create clothing before we get to her as JLaw.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Apr 22, 2020 22:14:44 GMT
Yes she was, Mystique has no need for clothes, they just limit her ability to shapeshift, but she cannot turn into anything, she can take the form and texture of things but that's it, as we saw in X1, she could mimic Wolverine's claws in appearance but not in density, also not sure if she can increase her mass, if she could it would give her the ability to mimic the powers of the Blob, or density shift even, she can alter her shape, and shift her mass to mimic being heavier but that's likely it, Mystiques powers have very defined limits in the movies, maybe not so much in the comics who knows, what we do know is her metal claws were still flesh and bone, and even disguised as a statue she still smelled the same to Logan, and we never see her taking the form of anything other than something humanoid. I think the only thing about clothing limiting her powers is that it was an evolution of her powers. At first, in the comics, she could only change into other people and had to change into their clothes (or find copies of their clothes). It would have been cool if they added that in the movies. In First Class at least. The scene when she was a kid. Have it that she stole Xavier's mom's dress and when she changed back it was shown to be too big. At least then we wouldn't have a naked little girl. Then she learned to create clothing before we get to her as JLaw. Beautiful idea, too bad they didn't think about it. My guess about her X-Uniforms: First Class uniform - created from her skin. Apocalypse uniform 1 - she needed real protection, so she used the pre-existent uniform found at Alkali Lake. Apocalypse uniform 2 - created from her skin. Dark Phoenix uniform - created from her skin. Too bad they didn't use armoured uniforms anymore in 1992, especially going against Jean/Phoenix.
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Post by dazz on Apr 23, 2020 6:04:57 GMT
I think the only thing about clothing limiting her powers is that it was an evolution of her powers. At first, in the comics, she could only change into other people and had to change into their clothes (or find copies of their clothes). It would have been cool if they added that in the movies. In First Class at least. The scene when she was a kid. Have it that she stole Xavier's mom's dress and when she changed back it was shown to be too big. At least then we wouldn't have a naked little girl. Then she learned to create clothing before we get to her as JLaw. Beautiful idea, too bad they didn't think about it. My guess about her X-Uniforms: First Class uniform - created from her skin. Apocalypse uniform 1 - she needed real protection, so she used the pre-existent uniform found at Alkali Lake. Apocalypse uniform 2 - created from her skin. Dark Phoenix uniform - created from her skin. Too bad they didn't use armoured uniforms anymore in 1992, especially going against Jean/Phoenix. An interesting idea could have been Mystique could partially absorb the clothing she wore, like extend her shifting over the material but only for a relatively short time, so she could wear Kevlar and then still shift so it looks like she is just in her normal form, but then if she were shot or something the Kevlar would protect her to others surprise, but she would eventually need to return to her base form, and you know wash the clothes she had been wearing.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 23, 2020 18:05:07 GMT
Beautiful idea, too bad they didn't think about it. My guess about her X-Uniforms: First Class uniform - created from her skin. Apocalypse uniform 1 - she needed real protection, so she used the pre-existent uniform found at Alkali Lake. Apocalypse uniform 2 - created from her skin. Dark Phoenix uniform - created from her skin. Too bad they didn't use armoured uniforms anymore in 1992, especially going against Jean/Phoenix. An interesting idea could have been Mystique could partially absorb the clothing she wore, like extend her shifting over the material but only for a relatively short time, so she could wear Kevlar and then still shift so it looks like she is just in her normal form, but then if she were shot or something the Kevlar would protect her to others surprise, but she would eventually need to return to her base form, and you know wash the clothes she had been wearing.
Or, since it's all Fox, have them wear unstable molecules. Wearing this allows there powers to work with their clothing. I don't know if it will allow her to mentally change it to the clothing she wants, though.
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Post by dazz on Apr 23, 2020 18:23:24 GMT
An interesting idea could have been Mystique could partially absorb the clothing she wore, like extend her shifting over the material but only for a relatively short time, so she could wear Kevlar and then still shift so it looks like she is just in her normal form, but then if she were shot or something the Kevlar would protect her to others surprise, but she would eventually need to return to her base form, and you know wash the clothes she had been wearing.
Or, since it's all Fox, have them wear unstable molecules. Wearing this allows there powers to work with their clothing. I don't know if it will allow her to mentally change it to the clothing she wants, though. No because Fox weren't allowed to crossover their properties, they had the rights to F4 and X-Men but they couldn't use F4 stuff in X-Men or vice versa, just like they couldn't have Lucifer and Gotham crossover with each other or The Gifted.
Also that just elevates her power to a little ridiculous levels, as it would mean she would be able to shift the very make up of the clothes, my idea still limits her, she cannot create Kevlar she can only hide it beneath her appearance, your way would mean she wouldn't be dectable when she shifts by a Logan because she could actually change her very substance, and not just her appearance, when she pretended to be a statue for example she wouldn't give off human scent as she actually becomes the material she's mimicking, which is similar to her altering her mass, if she can do that she has far more power than is typically shown.
The idea I have also would work for her in the espionage sense as she could steal things by palming it then coating it in a layer of transformation so no one could see it...this begs a question though, when her clothes are just a transformation what the fuck are people putting their hands in if they check her pockets? that must be uncomfortable for Mystique right?
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 23, 2020 20:37:32 GMT
Or, since it's all Fox, have them wear unstable molecules. Wearing this allows there powers to work with their clothing. I don't know if it will allow her to mentally change it to the clothing she wants, though. No because Fox weren't allowed to crossover their properties, they had the rights to F4 and X-Men but they couldn't use F4 stuff in X-Men or vice versa, just like they couldn't have Lucifer and Gotham crossover with each other or The Gifted.
Also that just elevates her power to a little ridiculous levels, as it would mean she would be able to shift the very make up of the clothes, my idea still limits her, she cannot create Kevlar she can only hide it beneath her appearance, your way would mean she wouldn't be dectable when she shifts by a Logan because she could actually change her very substance, and not just her appearance, when she pretended to be a statue for example she wouldn't give off human scent as she actually becomes the material she's mimicking, which is similar to her altering her mass, if she can do that she has far more power than is typically shown.
The idea I have also would work for her in the espionage sense as she could steal things by palming it then coating it in a layer of transformation so no one could see it...this begs a question though, when her clothes are just a transformation what the fuck are people putting their hands in if they check her pockets? that must be uncomfortable for Mystique right?
Not really. She's just changing the appearance of the clothing she is wearing (the unstable moleculed clothing) so as not to be walking around totally naked. Think of it like Sue Storm making her clothing invisible or Reed stretching his clothes. If she had armor made out of unstable molecules, she can make it look like anything she wanted, but it wouldn't change the property of it.
I had an idea a while back when we had this discussion about her powers that she actually does have this extra bit of her that she keeps.
The dress, the skulls, the heels. Even sometimes with longer hair. That's all extra. Then you have stuff like this: This is Mystique as Foxx. Is that a jacket she put on or is that her? That goes with what you're saying about the pockets. Does she add in a space of "fabric" if someone is searching her? Do you know how much control she has to have to do something like this with a coat and the to-be-searched pockets?
What exactly is her and what did she put on? They kinda needed some scenes with her as Mystique wearing the jackets and coats. That one above from X-men Apocalypse, if that is all Mystique, you'd think it would be zipped up to be forming around her as her skin.
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Post by thenolan on Apr 24, 2020 8:53:59 GMT
Liked her in DOFP and X2 the most.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 21, 2020 22:50:00 GMT
I was thinking about this:
When she created the Wolverine claws in X1. Wolverine cut them off.
Well:
1- Did Mystique use her scales/extra mass to generate the claws?
2- Did Mystique manage to "absorb" the matter of the fake claws back inside herself? Because she had healed her wounds in the following scene(s).
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 24, 2020 17:36:25 GMT
I was thinking about this: When she created the Wolverine claws in X1. Wolverine cut them off. Well: 1- Did Mystique use her scales/extra mass to generate the claws? 2- Did Mystique manage to "absorb" the matter of the fake claws back inside herself? Because she had healed her wounds in the following scene(s). But at the same time, she was cradling the wound in her stomach that still left scars for them to point out in the next movie. She should have been missing a bunch of skin or something on her arm. Like have a raw patch on the inside of her forearm. Or at least her hair being even shorter. Have a lock of her hair look like someone ran up to her and randomly cut it with scissors. She didn't get a healing factor to slow her aging until she showed up in First Class. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 24, 2020 19:49:22 GMT
I was thinking about this: When she created the Wolverine claws in X1. Wolverine cut them off. Well: 1- Did Mystique use her scales/extra mass to generate the claws? 2- Did Mystique manage to "absorb" the matter of the fake claws back inside herself? Because she had healed her wounds in the following scene(s). But at the same time, she was cradling the wound in her stomach that still left scars for them to point out in the next movie. She should have been missing a bunch of skin or something on her arm. Like have a raw patch on the inside of her forearm. Or at least her hair being even shorter. Have a lock of her hair look like someone ran up to her and randomly cut it with scissors. She didn't get a healing factor to slow her aging until she showed up in First Class. Mystique can surely create some "extra-mass". This happens in the comic books, and this must happen in the movies too. Maybe she can generate some new body scales that can turn into clothes or fake claws as well. The age factor doesn't matter. She can heal fast, that's for sure. Not super-fast. Did she have scars on the stomach in the following scenes as well as in X2? X2 occurs six months after the events of "X-Men". In "The Last Stand" she did not have scars anymore. TLS is set 1 year since the events of X2. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 25, 2020 15:41:50 GMT
But at the same time, she was cradling the wound in her stomach that still left scars for them to point out in the next movie. She should have been missing a bunch of skin or something on her arm. Like have a raw patch on the inside of her forearm. Or at least her hair being even shorter. Have a lock of her hair look like someone ran up to her and randomly cut it with scissors. She didn't get a healing factor to slow her aging until she showed up in First Class. Mystique can surely create some "extra-mass". This happens in the comic books, and this must happen in the movies too. Maybe she can generate some new body scales that can turn into clothes or fake claws as well. The age factor doesn't matter. She can heal fast, that's for sure. Not super-fast. Did she have scars on the stomach in the following scenes as well as in X2? X2 occurs six months after the events of "X-Men". In "The Last Stand" she did not have scars anymore. TLS is set 1 year since the events of X2. By the 90s, comics Mystique became more like TAS Clayface. She was even growing wings and such.
TLS was made by different people that didn't worry about that much detail in continuity. Her make up should have had "if you pause it, you'd see it." Not really something they make a note of for a disguise reveal. And, yes, she has the scars in her Mystique form in X2.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 25, 2020 19:23:28 GMT
Thank you so much, That Guy.
Nice job, buddy.
TLS is set 1 year after the events of the first two movies. So it makes a lot of sense.
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