|
|
Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 29, 2017 12:59:21 GMT
Unfortunately no place has completely free speech.
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
 
|
Post by PanLeo on Apr 30, 2017 12:53:21 GMT
t was more than just islamophobia.Also the UK is not a country it is an imperialist bloc |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 30, 2017 13:15:54 GMT
Unfortunately no place has completely free speech. Not when it infringes on other people's lives. Harm caused to others is a legit reason to stop the speech and this was not about hurting someone's feelings which was a stupid way to phrase it. |
|
vernuf
Sophomore
@vernuf
Posts: 310
Likes: 34
|
Post by vernuf on Apr 30, 2017 17:58:07 GMT
It's perplexing how the UK was at the forefront of free speech, drug use and a sexual liberation 50 years ago and now they've bent over to religion that despises all of that. I'd say it was perplexing how bigots ignore the parts of a story that doesn't support their bigotry, but well... As others have pointed out, there was harassment involved. |
|
|
|
Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 30, 2017 18:00:11 GMT
Unfortunately no place has completely free speech. Not when it infringes on other people's lives. Harm caused to others is a legit reason to stop the speech and this was not about hurting someone's feelings which was a stupid way to phrase it. If speech can cause harm, that's the sort of harm that should be allowed. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 12:16:50 GMT
It's perplexing how the UK was at the forefront of free speech, drug use and a sexual liberation 50 years ago and now they've bent over to religion that despises all of that. I'd say it was perplexing how bigots ignore the parts of a story that doesn't support their bigotry, but well... As others have pointed out, there was harassment involved. It's perhaps even more perplexing how so many little pricks like you are so quick to label anybody with a negative view of Islam "bigots". Especially when you know mostly jackshit about what the religion teaches and it's ultimate end goal. |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2017 22:48:33 GMT
Not when it infringes on other people's lives. Harm caused to others is a legit reason to stop the speech and this was not about hurting someone's feelings which was a stupid way to phrase it. If speech can cause harm, that's the sort of harm that should be allowed. Disagree. We aren't talking hurt feelings and the dude was doing nothing to even advance his cause. He was simply harassing an individual to the point where the individual could not function. If that's what it takes to get your point across, then your point sucks and is unworthy of the speech protections. It is a myth that you cannot say anything you want to about whatever you hate, but there are lines aren't allowed to be crossed and this guy crossed it. In short, he's an idiot. |
|
|
|
Post by thorshairspray on May 1, 2017 23:44:00 GMT
I'd say it was perplexing how bigots ignore the parts of a story that doesn't support their bigotry, but well... As others have pointed out, there was harassment involved. It's perhaps even more perplexing how so many little pricks like you are so quick to label anybody with a negative view of Islam "bigots". Especially when you know mostly jackshit about what the religion teaches and it's ultimate end goal. No offense Cody, but Superdude has used multiple surveys to show the socially regressive attitudes that Muslims tend to have around the World. Clearly this use of evidence makes him a bigot of the highest order. British Mosques are dominated by Saudi Arabia. They do not teach any kind of reformed Islam. Any kind of liberal values. It isn't like we have seen men spared prison for statutory rape because they were educated in faith schools and didn't know rape was wrong. But opposing this makes you literally Hitler. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 8:35:32 GMT
Unfortunately no place has completely free speech. Not when it infringes on other people's lives. Harm caused to others is a legit reason to stop the speech and this was not about hurting someone's feelings which was a stupid way to phrase it. And what actual harm do you believe was done in this case Smithy be specific. And just for the record this man sent SIX emails to the "victim" in a two day period,would you like to explain how that constitutes harassment. Those messages contained no threats or slurs against the individual in question just against his religion,including saying that Islam is a medieval backwards 5th century religion which it is. No this is about people trying to make it a criminal offence to criticise their chosen religion,something Islam has managed to do in any country where it holds power. If |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 11:37:06 GMT
Not when it infringes on other people's lives. Harm caused to others is a legit reason to stop the speech and this was not about hurting someone's feelings which was a stupid way to phrase it. And what actual harm do you believe was done in this case Smithy be specific. And just for the record this man sent SIX emails to the "victim" in a two day period,would you like to explain how that constitutes harassment. Those messages contained no threats or slurs against the individual in question just against his religion,including saying that Islam is a medieval backwards 5th century religion which it is. No this is about people trying to make it a criminal offence to criticise their chosen religion,something Islam has managed to do in any country where it holds power. If If you don't know the answer, read your own link. |
|
|
|
Post by cupcakes on May 2, 2017 13:09:09 GMT
tpfkar Sure, why not another gusher of adolescent wail to try to paper over the pertinent "ignore the parts of a story" bit. It's not like you guys don't do that time and again with screams well beyond what you're posting supports. Masculinity was just fine until regressives decided White Straight Men were somewhere between Hitler and fecal matter. |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 13:11:51 GMT
It's perhaps even more perplexing how so many little pricks like you are so quick to label anybody with a negative view of Islam "bigots". Especially when you know mostly jackshit about what the religion teaches and it's ultimate end goal. No offense Cody, but Superdude has used multiple surveys to show the socially regressive attitudes that Muslims tend to have around the World. Clearly this use of evidence makes him a bigot of the highest order. British Mosques are dominated by Saudi Arabia. They do not teach any kind of reformed Islam. Any kind of liberal values. It isn't like we have seen men spared prison for statutory rape because they were educated in faith schools and didn't know rape was wrong. But opposing this makes you literally Hitler. Yep. and that dude that got arrested for harassment was so progressive!  |
|
|
|
Post by Terrapin Station on May 2, 2017 13:12:11 GMT
He was simply harassing an individual to the point where the individual could not function. I have no idea what the details are in this case, but that suggests that the individual needs counseling. It would be impossible for anyone to be able to say anything to me where I couldn't function just because they said something. |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 13:19:08 GMT
He was simply harassing an individual to the point where the individual could not function. I have no idea what the details are in this case, but that suggests that the individual needs counseling. It would be impossible for anyone to be able to say anything to me where I couldn't function just because they said something. Harassment isn't just speech. It's suffocating and furthermore threatening.
The guy was not just saying that Muslims are evil which he's been doing for quite some time with no legal issues.
Instead, this moron decided to focus on one guy repeatedly after being told to stop.
So even if you are made of stronger stuff, the law protects normal people from having to deal with this idiot's targeting of an individual who has nothing to do with whatever stats people come up with to justify the moron radio host doing what he did.
|
|
|
|
Post by Terrapin Station on May 2, 2017 14:00:53 GMT
I have no idea what the details are in this case, but that suggests that the individual needs counseling. It would be impossible for anyone to be able to say anything to me where I couldn't function just because they said something. Harassment isn't just speech. It's suffocating and furthermore threatening.
The guy was not just saying that Muslims are evil which he's been doing for quite some time with no legal issues.
Instead, this moron decided to focus on one guy repeatedly after being told to stop.
So even if you are made of stronger stuff, the law protects normal people from having to deal with this idiot's targeting of an individual who has nothing to do with whatever stats people come up with to justify the moron radio host doing what he did.
"It's suffocating" - we're talking about what it literally is. It's not literally suffocating. It's speech--sounds that someone is making with their mouth. "Suffocating" is a metaphorical way of talking about someone's reaction to it. That's the sort of reaction to speech that suggests someone needs counseling. Speech shouldn't affect anyone so that they feel like they're suffocating. Re threatening, I'd have a class of criminal threatening if I were king, but that's not just speech, and I have a more detailed definition of what would count as criminal threatening. |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 14:16:19 GMT
Harassment isn't just speech. It's suffocating and furthermore threatening.
The guy was not just saying that Muslims are evil which he's been doing for quite some time with no legal issues.
Instead, this moron decided to focus on one guy repeatedly after being told to stop.
So even if you are made of stronger stuff, the law protects normal people from having to deal with this idiot's targeting of an individual who has nothing to do with whatever stats people come up with to justify the moron radio host doing what he did.
"It's suffocating" - we're talking about what it literally is. It's not literally suffocating. It's speech--sounds that someone is making with their mouth. "Suffocating" is a metaphorical way of talking about someone's reaction to it. That's the sort of reaction to speech that suggests someone needs counseling. Speech shouldn't affect anyone so that they feel like they're suffocating. Re threatening, I'd have a class of criminal threatening if I were king, but that's not just speech, and I have a more detailed definition of what would count as criminal threatening. It's not just speech is all I'm saying. I don't need your definition since the law defined it just fine.
Particular types of speech inflict harm f others and there are laws to limit that. If you want to be a literalist be my guest since that tells me to what extent I can discuss this with you, but the point is the guy wasn't just talking since he was interacting in a menacing way to a particular person.
If you think that's fine across all contexts, then that's perfectly legal to think, but then again, I'm glad you may not be influential in law or politics.
|
|
|
|
Post by Terrapin Station on May 2, 2017 14:24:39 GMT
If you think that's fine across all contexts, then that's perfectly legal to think, but then again, I'm glad you may not be influential in law or politics. Yeah, I made it clear that I do think that. And you're not alone in being glad that I am not influential in law or politics. I've mentioned this a number of times, haha, most recently in the poll that included the "moonbat space" option. |
|
|
|
Post by thorshairspray on May 2, 2017 23:58:39 GMT
No offense Cody, but Superdude has used multiple surveys to show the socially regressive attitudes that Muslims tend to have around the World. Clearly this use of evidence makes him a bigot of the highest order. British Mosques are dominated by Saudi Arabia. They do not teach any kind of reformed Islam. Any kind of liberal values. It isn't like we have seen men spared prison for statutory rape because they were educated in faith schools and didn't know rape was wrong. But opposing this makes you literally Hitler. Yep. and that dude that got arrested for harassment was so progressive! What does that have to do with what I said? |
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2017 0:00:29 GMT
Yep. and that dude that got arrested for harassment was so progressive! What does that have to do with what I said? Who knows? I was staying on topic. |
|
|
|
Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2017 0:05:10 GMT
What does that have to do with what I said? Who knows? I was staying on topic. Well thats boring. |
|
