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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 12, 2020 15:57:52 GMT
So do you need to personally relate to characters in a movie or tv show for that matter to enjoy it ?
Personally i don`t, i can enjoy movies and tv shows where i don`t relate to any of the characters
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Post by maxwellperfect on May 12, 2020 16:13:09 GMT
Not at all. All I need is compelling characters, likable or not, and an interesting world to disappear into for a couple of hours.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 12, 2020 16:28:05 GMT
No, violent psychopaths like Michael Corleone and Henry Hill probably aren't going to be relatable to most people
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Post by miike80 on May 12, 2020 16:42:09 GMT
Not at all. Most of Scorsese main characters are unrelatable and I love most of his movies
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Post by mslo79 on May 12, 2020 16:42:33 GMT
Like already mentioned... No.
I think that really goes without saying.
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Post by Ass_E9 on May 12, 2020 17:03:36 GMT
If I relate to an unlikeable character, it may make for uncomfortable viewing.
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Post by politicidal on May 12, 2020 17:31:40 GMT
No. Not usually if the story remains interesting.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 12, 2020 18:01:52 GMT
I don't have to relate to them, but there needs to be something about them I like even if it's something evil.
Lukewarm characters are the worst.
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Post by Lux on May 12, 2020 18:17:27 GMT
It does help I must admit but I can either take it or leave it as long as there's a sense of danger involved.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 12, 2020 18:24:41 GMT
Nope
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Post by drystyx on May 12, 2020 18:46:03 GMT
I'm sane, so "yes", I have to relate in some way. Otherwise, the movie is just a plodding pile of rubbish like what we get in Leone's rotten spaghetti or the Godfather stupidity.
Sure, there are people like that, but they're boring people. They have no motivation other than sheer sadistic pleasure.
That is when there are characters. There are movies that just show scenery. Those are tough to fully enjoy without characters. But they're tolerable.
Dull characters make even the best scenery intolerable.
Dull stories are worse of course. Hollywood has long been a breeding ground for the Nazi party, and most of the posts from people on IMDB are from sheep who are out of control and totally possessed by that propaganda. They've no idea what "Nature" is, because they've been brainwashed since birth, and that's evident from the number of people who are even willing to claim they enjoy being masochists.
Not us sane people, though.
THE EDIT: Now, when I speak of "relate to characters", I mean "relate to motivation", which is what I base this on. There simply is no credible "natural" motivation for most characters in most movies. Their only motivation is "Oh, I'm a movie character, and I need to do this to be evil, or to be a thug, or to be a hero, or to be this character". And that does happen in real life, sure. Most people in the first world today think they're movie characters. Go ahead and admit it, or look like a fool. It's a tough feeling to fight off. But that motivation isn't "natural", and it makes for dull characters. We don't believe it is "greed" or "power" motivating these characters to kill, maim, rob, and destroy the lives of people, because it's quite obvious that these characters would get more riches or power by simply allowing the minor characters to work for them. So, the villains, and almost all heroes (since Hollywood heroes are almost always thugs and gang members who decide to go straight), don't have any interesting motivation. It's the "same old, same old".
And we have proof this is the real cliché, because if you want the real cliché, you look at the top rated movies, the IMDB top 250, and the other highly ranked ones, and there you get the real clichés of the ignorant masses.
And about half of IMDB's top 250 are dull movies about mostly dull characters. They just aren't interesting, because there's no way to relate to their motivation. Not for those of us who aren't spoiled rich kids who think they're movie characters.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 18:51:46 GMT
It helps but part of what make film so compelling is perspective you may not have considered or cared about before. So sometimes, I feel like a character I didn't find relatable going in becomes more relatable by the end, or becomes more relatable to me as I grow.
Sympathy and empathy aren't the same though. I sympathize with characters whose struggle/identity I don't relate to at all, but (in some such extraordinary cases) the actors humanize them in most unexpected ways.
The Lion in Winter springs to mind as an example. Oddly enough, the villain in Skyfall too.
Aside from the fact I already adore the latter, Javier Bardem's character would roll right over someone like me. It's his job to create a character for whom the logic of his plan makes sense to him. The extremism of his character sells a plan that makes sense to him as being right for the world.
Likewise, Henry II imprisoning his wife is just a ghastly way to live, especially when teasing her by releasing her around special occasions for political convenience, but he's got a tiger by the tail when she's out too. Does he exile her because she's a tiger, or did being in exile make her into a tiger? Or both? And if you prick a tiger, do they not bleed?
Yeah, relating to the character definitely helps.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 12, 2020 20:21:15 GMT
I don't have to relate to them, but there needs to be something about them I like even if it's something evil. Lukewarm characters are the worst. Would you say violent psychopaths like Michael Corleone, Tony Soprano, and Walter White have likeable traits? I would say the only likeable traits about them is they're family men and they justifiy their criminal activity by trying to provide for their families.
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Post by hi224 on May 12, 2020 21:32:15 GMT
No but it can make a movie more immersive
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Post by James on May 12, 2020 22:33:19 GMT
Not necessarily.
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Post by pennypacker on May 12, 2020 23:04:17 GMT
No. But it helps.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 13, 2020 0:03:00 GMT
I don't have to relate to them, but there needs to be something about them I like even if it's something evil. Lukewarm characters are the worst. Would you say violent psychopaths like Michael Corleone, Tony Soprano, and Walter White have likeable traits? I would say the only likeable traits about them is they're family men and they justifiy their criminal activity by trying to provide for their families. Likeable traits? No. However, those despicable traits can make them interesting which is more important than being likeable. That said, in order for me to love a movie or show, there has to be a likeable or pitiable something about at least one of the characters, not necessarily the lead. In Breaking Bad, Walter is a great character, but I loved the show because of Jesse Pinkman. For Godfather, It's Vito.
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Post by Vits on May 13, 2020 10:56:57 GMT
Not at all. I've felt that way all my life, which is why I was confused when I grew up and started reading/hearing about lack of diversity due to fear of losing money. The thought never even crossed my mind. In fact, most of the highest-grossing movies of each year are American. Do you think foreign audiences see themselves as the characters? I mean, some cultures are very similar to the U.S. but not all of them.
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