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Post by politicidal on May 22, 2020 16:23:37 GMT
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 1, 2020 11:08:52 GMT
What is a LGBT protagonist? Someone who is not "normal" straight? Could you rephrase the question? Not sure what you mean. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 1, 2020 22:35:36 GMT
What is a LGBT protagonist? Someone who is not "normal" straight? It would appear in this case to be a protagonist in a same sex relationship. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 2, 2020 6:35:18 GMT
It would appear in this case to be a protagonist in a same sex relationship. So a straight protagonist is default then, and a gay protagonist gets lumped in with Trans and Queers and Intersexers because their relationship is not "normal" like straight? A relationship is a relationship, yet people get defined by sexuality as though it is revolutionary??? The protagonists have been exclusively straight until now. Now one is not. When something hasn't been done before, people tend to mention it, no matter what that thing is. People mentioned Psycho being the first movie to flush a damn toilet. |
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Post by amyghost on Jun 2, 2020 15:23:22 GMT
The protagonists have been exclusively straight until now. Now one is not. When something hasn't been done before, people tend to mention it, no matter what that thing is. People mentioned Psycho being the first movie to flush a damn toilet. To me, it is like damn whoopdi doo! Make an issue out of something, it becomes about the issue and not what just is.
I'd say if this short film is going to reach anybody, it would make more impact for dense straight parents who can only think straight before gay and gay may not even cross their simple little minds regarding their kids. Gay kids wouldn't be shocked about gay and only how they are perceived. To them "gay" is "normal".
All in all, I agree. I'm tired of 'entertainments' that need to make an issue message of the plot gimmick and become the film's whole raison d'etre. Not only is that fairly insulting to the intelligence of any audience above the sophistication level of a roomful of sn****ring ten-year-olds, it generally makes for a bad and dull film overall. It takes a consummate artist (say on the level of a Gore Vidal, who broke taboo ground with his 1950's novel The City and The Pillar) to tackle a socially touchy subject and relate it in terms that compel the audience to recognize just how mundane and within the scope of the human it is, rather than beating that same audience over the head with notions of how 'revolutionary' and 'important' it is. Unfortunately, among today's supposedly 'woke' virtue-signalers, I suspect framing such a story in such terms would seem sacrilegious, and probably well outside the realm of their creative powers to conceive of. |
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Post by amyghost on Jun 3, 2020 10:21:14 GMT
All in all, I agree. I'm tired of 'entertainments' that need to make an issue message of the plot gimmick and become the film's whole raison d'etre. Not only is that fairly insulting to the intelligence of any audience above the sophistication level of a roomful of sn****ring ten-year-olds, it generally makes for a bad and dull film overall. It takes a consummate artist (say on the level of a Gore Vidal, who broke taboo ground with his 1950's novel The City and The Pillar) to tackle a socially touchy subject and relate it in terms that compel the audience to recognize just how mundane and within the scope of the human it is, rather than beating that same audience over the head with notions of how 'revolutionary' and 'important' it is. Unfortunately, among today's supposedly 'woke' virtue-signalers, I suspect framing such a story in such terms would seem sacrilegious, and probably well outside the realm of their creative powers to conceive of. It becomes about condescension and taking a heavy handed approach to something so mundane and sledgehammering the herd with it. It’s pathetic and a over-hyped marketing machine that wants to win kudos for being soooooo in touch. The approach then really only makes it simpleminded and glib. I haven’t read Vidal. Attempted to read Myra Breckinridge over 20yrs who but wasn’t in the right frame of mind at the time. The Vidal is quite good, and possibly the most mature and least sensationalistic novel I've read treating of the homosexual theme. Very different in tone from the purely outrageous Myra, it was Vidal's second or third novel, but the one that brought him international attention. There are actually two versions of it, the original published one, and then a revised edition he wrote some years later, that made some interesting changes, most notably the ending. If you ever have a chance, it's worth reading both and comparing the two--I'd be hard put to say which version I find the better. I really concur with your points. The total lack of subtlety in waving the virtue flag that seems to invariably accompany these sorts of productions tends to rob them of any value they might have had. Excessive condesending 'understanding' from the Hollywood quarter can be just as bad in its way as outright derision. |
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Post by hi224 on Jun 3, 2020 13:39:51 GMT
LGBTQ TASTIC
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Post by amyghost on Jun 3, 2020 15:24:10 GMT
The Vidal is quite good, and possibly the most mature and least sensationalistic novel I've read treating of the homosexual theme. Very different in tone from the purely outrageous Myra, it was Vidal's second or third novel, but the one that brought him international attention. There are actually two versions of it, the original published one, and then a revised edition he wrote some years later, that made some interesting changes, most notably the ending. If you ever have a chance, it's worth reading both and comparing the two--I'd be hard put to say which version I find the better. I really concur with your points. The total lack of subtlety in waving the virtue flag that seems to invariably accompany these sorts of productions tends to rob them of any value they might have had. Excessive condesending 'understanding' from the Hollywood quarter can be just as bad in its way as outright derision. And for homosexual people, when they have spent eons being told they are wrong for what their straight parents have created, being condescended too is the last thing they want by a propagation of ignorance and fear projected towards it. An issue that wasn't ever an issue, is still somehow an issue because of the established construct of what parenthood is supposed to represent.
I will be on the look out for Vidal's book. Perhaps I need to read it first before Myra. What did you think of the movie? Even though Vidal himself hated it, I really don't think the film is as bad as it's often been rated. It's a travesty of the book (can one make a travesty of a travesty, lol?), but I find it fun in some ways in its own right. Raquel Welch is actually pretty good in the title role, and Mae West is her usual outrageously unforgettable self. And I could almost wish that they'd made a film of the sequel novel, Myron, just on the strength of Rex Reed alone. It's definitely a time capsule of an era, and like it or no, it deserves some respect--if not love--for being so. |
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