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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 23, 2020 14:41:45 GMT
Do you consider quality of movies and other art forms to be a subjective or a objective matter?
Is there such a thing as objective or is all subjective, or is nothing subjective and all objective ?
Or does it depend on the situation?
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Post by ck100 on May 23, 2020 14:49:22 GMT
I feel it's a little more subjective than objective. I'm sure we all have our own definitions on what constitutes "good".
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 23, 2020 14:52:54 GMT
Subjective
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Post by Raimo47 on May 23, 2020 15:56:19 GMT
Subjective
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Post by Vits on May 23, 2020 16:12:12 GMT
Cinema, theatre and literature? It's a mix of both, but it leans more towards objective. Other art forms? It's mostly subjective with a little bit of objective.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2020 19:12:48 GMT
Subjective
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Post by Archelaus on May 23, 2020 20:08:56 GMT
I feel cinematic quality can be a mix of both subjective and objective perspectives since technical and creative qualities like writing, staging, and editing have applicable standards to them. However, beauty does lie in the eye of the beholder so there's hardly a right or wrong answer.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 23, 2020 20:10:15 GMT
Both.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 23, 2020 20:11:42 GMT
"Film quality" as far as I can tell is purely a social construct and doesn't have any ingrained, objective qualities (unless you're refering to RT and IMDB scores) so purely subjective. Quite frankly the only people that would argue otherwise are probably just intellecutally lazy people that don't wanna make an argument of how some boring arthouse film is better than Killer Clowns from Outer Space (an amazing piece of cinema)
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Post by Fox in the Snow on May 24, 2020 2:24:28 GMT
All art is completely subjective. Even the so-called objective elements like "correct lighting", "perspective", "singing in tune", etc. are just popularised "norms". Look at Picasso or Dylan.
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Post by mslo79 on May 24, 2020 2:54:46 GMT
Subjective ; I don't think this is really debatable either. because what's enjoyable varies from person to person and a persons emotional response in some form or another is what makes movies work or not since it comes back to how interesting a movie is for the viewer.
but... I do feel there is a bit of objectiveness to a degree though. because you can generally tell there is some difference between a bunch of A-list range movies and some generic crap on some random no-name channels. still, movies, like other art forms, comes back to personal opinion. but I think if someone is going to use a measuring stick whether something is good or not, it pretty much boils down to majority opinion. but I do think a random movie might have a lot of people who like it, but might not like it to a higher degree. then I think you got those movies where a lot of people like to a higher degree etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 3:18:56 GMT
Subjective. Some films just have higher degrees of mutual admiration, but I don't think there exists a film that hasn't been criticized for something. Even the very best of the very best aren't the very best for all people if the story means nothing to them. People like what's central to their character or their moral code, or just like what they like. Which means, for example, if you're just not into mafia movies, or war films, or superhero movies, the best of the best isn't that likely to change your mind.
If someone says a highly regarded film is shit to them, what can you really do? It's their perspective through which they filter the experience. Not all people are alike so it's impossible any one film or type of film can speak to all people.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 24, 2020 3:50:59 GMT
Subjective. Quality is all in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 9:49:36 GMT
Always an annoying question (no offense to you, I'm not calling you annoying for asking). It's along the lines of "What makes something art?"
The problem is that when it comes to personal tastes, anything can be subjectively valued as being "good". For example, let's say you have a scene in a film that is meant to be dramatic. It's a confrontation between an undercover cop and his gangster friend and the cop is about to be revealed as a spy. The boom mic is too far away so you can't hear them clearly, the camera has a moth sitting on the lens, and to top it off, one of the grips trips and falls into the scene and overturns a table in the background-- but they put it into the film anyway.
Objectively, you can say it's a bad scene. The sound is done poorly, the shot is done poorly, the staging is botched, and the dramatic intent is shattered. None of this was the intent of the people making it.
Subjectively, you can still get enjoyment out of it because of how poorly done it was or because none of these things detract from the scene for you. Anything can be subjectively good. It just depends on the person.
When talking objective vs. subjective, you need to keep in mind that something can be objectively poorly done but subjectively still appreciated.
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Post by James on May 24, 2020 14:10:43 GMT
Subjective.
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Post by someguy on May 29, 2020 0:33:24 GMT
Subjective.
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Post by hi224 on May 29, 2020 0:42:31 GMT
Do you consider quality of movies and other art forms to be a subjective or a objective matter? Is there such a thing as objective or is all subjective, or is nothing subjective and all objective ? Or does it depend on the situation? subjective all day basically. |
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Post by gw on May 29, 2020 5:04:01 GMT
I think that even if it is subjective, subjective according to what? Binocular vision, vocal chords, upright walking, and generally other characteristics that make us human and the cultures based off of those characteristics. But even if it is a subjective matter, there are objective parts of a subjective view. People who live in the Amazon and can't count past ten aren't going to be making rockets any time soon. So that's my best answer, situationally-subjective but with objective standards that underlie the subjective aspects.
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