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Post by blade on Jun 15, 2020 19:44:52 GMT
Discuss.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 15, 2020 19:47:30 GMT
Based on the sole criterion of production of reproductive cells, there are two and only two sexes: the female sex, capable of producing large gametes (ovules), and the male sex, which produces small gametes (spermatozoa
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Post by Jonesy1 on Jun 15, 2020 19:50:18 GMT
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Post by blade on Jun 15, 2020 20:18:08 GMT
No screeching cries of "bigot" yet. I'm surprised and encouraged.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jun 15, 2020 21:35:18 GMT
Yeah but if somone wants to count another one I wouldnt care.
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Post by drystyx on Jun 15, 2020 21:39:02 GMT
I don't care, as long as everyone is taught the same thing. It won't be fair if one school teaches one thing, and another school teaches another. Uniformity in learning to improve communications. If there are 9 genders, or 16 genders, or whatever, it should be communicated not only to every present day student, but also to every citizen. Government needs to give free education to retirees to learn the new rules, and give them free lunches, and free coffee, and free water, and free liquor in the reeducation program, so we can all communicate on the same basis.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jun 15, 2020 21:39:04 GMT
Live and let live, people.
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Post by Catman on Jun 15, 2020 22:02:39 GMT
In grammar, three genders is not uncommon.
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Post by blade on Jun 16, 2020 0:29:00 GMT
Live and let live, people. Are you saying we should buy into their mental illness?
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Post by goz on Jun 16, 2020 2:14:59 GMT
You didn't specify that you wanted us to confine our 'discussion' to humans. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HermaphroditeEven then there are humans who are true hermaphrodites, and some with abnormal DNA, with either additional or missing chromosomes. You are either trolling, or stupid, or both.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 16, 2020 2:52:11 GMT
You didn't specify that you wanted us to confine our 'discussion' to humans. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HermaphroditeEven then there are humans who are true hermaphrodites, and some with abnormal DNA, with either additional or missing chromosomes. You are either trolling, or stupid, or both. Not reading your own links again or what? I saw a cow born with two heads on the local news once. It died later not long after being born. I wonder why?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 3:21:22 GMT
How I see it there are 2 biological sexes or 3 if including intersex. But gender seems more subjective, and from what I understand there is cis male, cis female, trans male, trans female, gender fluid, and non-binary (which is an umbrella term for many other types ) There are others but don’t understand what they are or know the difference between the ones mentioned.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 16, 2020 3:54:22 GMT
How I see it there are 2 biological sexes or 3 if including intersex. But gender seems more subjective, and from what I understand there is cis male, cis female, trans male, trans female, gender fluid, and non-binary (which is an umbrella term for many other types ) There are others but don’t understand what they are or know the difference between the ones mentioned. Essentially this. Sex is biological, gender is (largely) neurological, and while there are typical cases where the neurological and biological correspond, this isn't always the case. It's why transgender brains tend to resemble the more typical brains of the gender they identify as. Brains are also very complex things, so it makes sense that there are also brains that have features that exist between the extremes of typically-masculine and typically-feminine, and probably a complex mix of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 5:38:49 GMT
How I see it there are 2 biological sexes or 3 if including intersex. But gender seems more subjective, and from what I understand there is cis male, cis female, trans male, trans female, gender fluid, and non-binary (which is an umbrella term for many other types ) There are others but don’t understand what they are or know the difference between the ones mentioned. Essentially this. Sex is biological, gender is (largely) neurological, and while there are typical cases where the neurological and biological correspond, this isn't always the case. It's why transgender brains tend to resemble the more typical brains of the gender they identify as. Brains are also very complex things, so it makes sense that there are also brains that have features that exist between the extremes of typically-masculine and typically-feminine, and probably a complex mix of them. Gender has always been understood as being defined by our biological sex, which is why I can see how it can be confusing for people to understand gender being defined this way. I also find that very interesting about transgender brains. Though I also think there could be some people who don’t want to identify as their gender defined by their biological sex because they don’t like or believe they fit in with the stereotypes associated with that certain gender. For example, a girl who likes more boyish things wouldn’t necessarily mean they should identify as a boy for that reason. This however could be confused with what actually being transgender is. I don’t fully understand it so maybe transgender people already understand this difference, but can be confusing to know who you are.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 16, 2020 5:55:51 GMT
Essentially this. Sex is biological, gender is (largely) neurological, and while there are typical cases where the neurological and biological correspond, this isn't always the case. It's why transgender brains tend to resemble the more typical brains of the gender they identify as. Brains are also very complex things, so it makes sense that there are also brains that have features that exist between the extremes of typically-masculine and typically-feminine, and probably a complex mix of them. Gender has always been understood as being defined by our biological sex, which is why I can see how it can be confusing for people to understand gender being defined this way. I also find that very interesting about transgender brains. Though I also think there could be some people who don’t want to identify as their gender defined by their biological sex because they don’t like or believe they fit in with the stereotypes associated with that certain gender. For example, a girl who likes more boyish things wouldn’t necessarily mean they should identify as a boy for that reason. This however could be confused with what actually being transgender is. I don’t fully understand it so maybe transgender people already understand this difference, but can be confusing to know who you are. Actually, that's not quite true. Long before gender had anything to do with biological sex it was just a grammatical term. The use of gender to refer to biological sex happened some time in the 20th century as "sex" took on erotic connotations, so people used gender as a non-erotic metaphor. In 1926, the lexicographer Henry Watson Fowler said this of the term: "Gender...is a grammatical term only. To talk of persons...of the masculine or feminine g[ender], meaning of the male or female sex, is either a jocularity (permissible or not according to context) or a blunder." The use of "gender" to talk about masculine/feminine traits happened not long after this, and I think the first attestation was from 1945. Basically, those trying to argue that gender has always referred to/meant biological sex and that those using it to mean masculine/feminine psychological/social traits are guilty of "changing the meaning of the word" are completely ignorant of the history of the word itself. Both uses--gender as sex VS gender as masculine/feminine psychological/sociological traits--are from the early-to-mid 20th century. It's not that gender-as-sex is what the term always meant, it's just that that usage became more popular common. However, science and other academic disciplines now recognize the usefulness of having two different words to denote biological sex VS masculine/feminine traits that are psychological and social in nature. As for you last paragraph, I agree that there should be distinctions between girls and boys who identify the same as their sex but have traits or interests more common in the opposite sex, and actual transgender people who genuinely feel like they're the wrong biological sex because of how they psychologically identify. The concept of "tomboy" girls and "sensitive" guys is nothing new.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 16, 2020 8:56:33 GMT
Obviously. it's common sense really as someone has to be quite disordered to try to argue otherwise and what's sad people(i.e. the godless left) are forcing that BS on society. Jonesy1Your picture pretty much summed it up. paulslaughHere is a good example of the problem with those on the left... they question common sense/basic nature. pure insanity.
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 16, 2020 9:33:55 GMT
How can the definition of a word be a fact? Words change their meanings throughout history. Different cultures use similar terms to mean slightly different things.
So look at society and you can see there are several phenomena that are distinct from one another.
First you have people's chromosomes. Most people are XX or XY though some are XXY. We very rarely find out what someone's chromosomes actually are (even our own) and instead presume them based on the other phenomena below.
Next are the sexual organs. Those with XX tend to have a vagina, cervix, womb, fallopian tubes, ovaries etc. Those with XY tend to have a penis, testicles, scrotum, prostate gland etc. Occasionally someone will be born without one of these. Sometimes one or more needs to be removed due to health reasons. Sometimes they can be present but non-functional. Some people are born with a combination of organs normally not combined together. One can get surgery to turn some of these into semi-functional versions of what are normally found with the other chromosome combinations. We tend not to know what most people we encounter have here. Only the outer ones are visible and those are usually covered. Again we often assume what people have based on the other phenomena.
Then we have the secondary sex characteristics: swollen breasts, Adam's apples, thicker hair, height, weight, facial hair etc. Again, there is some variation - some XX have small or no breasts, some have facial hair, some XY have a small frame, little facial hair etc. These characteristics can also be disguised via makeup, clothing etc
Next we have behaviours. There are behaviours typically associated with XX and XY (many learned but there is some reason to think some are innate).
Finally, we have how the person feels inside. A difficult one for an outsider to assess for obvious reasons and difficult for the person in question to compare to others. Some are open about their feelings, others less so.
So if you want to arbitrarily define gender as solely relating to the first of these, fine. But we already have a perfectly good word for that with "sex" and the other phenomena aren't going to go away because you consider chromosomes the end of the discussion.
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Post by goz on Jun 16, 2020 21:08:56 GMT
Obviously. it's common sense really as someone has to be quite disordered to try to argue otherwise and what's sad people(i.e. the godless left) are forcing that BS on society. Jonesy1 Your picture pretty much summed it up. paulslaugh Here is a good example of the problem with those on the left... they question common sense/basic nature. pure insanity.I have often observed that those who say 'it is just common sense' rarely have any of the thing to which they refer. Re: 'nature'. Please read TheLostOne's excellent post on this subject. There are many things about you I dislike/feel sorry for, about the way you post. The main one is your obdurate and willing ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:13:08 GMT
What about animals that reproduce asexually?
Hermaphrodites?
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Post by goz on Jun 17, 2020 3:14:33 GMT
What about animals that reproduce asexually? Hermaphrodites? Indeed. There are human hermaphrodites though it is unlike that they can reproduce, depending on the extent.
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