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Post by mstreepsucks on Jun 16, 2020 3:19:53 GMT
If a game can't be good with the technology they had at the time, then it wouldn't be good later on if remade. But if it wasn't good in the first place it wouldn't have been remade anyway. If a game can be good it has to be because of the technology they had at the time, not technology 20 years later. Just like, the Shenmue remake.
However if they remake a game in the span of say, one year. And it is slightly better , then that could work. Who else thinks remaking games is not good?
But honestly if you enjoy remakes of games i hope you do enjoy them a lot. They're just not for me tbh.
I'm just saying for example if they remade pong and it had 3d graphics. And the camera angle was changed then it aint good. Or the camera moved or whatever.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 16, 2020 8:47:53 GMT
I don't think that's entirely true across the board. I suspect it's possible some games would have been better if they were made at a later point in time. because I think some games, like say some earlier 3D games (call it in the mid-to-late 1990's), might be a bit dated today where as if they where made with a bit more modern 3D, they may have turned out respectable (since I imagine earlier 3D tech is more limited). I won't give examples but the basic point here I think is potentially true as I would imagine many 3D games of the late 1990's would not hold up well today (since I would imagine it would be easier to find newer 3D games (say over the last 10-20 years) that are flat out superior) but I would say once the 2000's came along that changed as 3D graphics finally reached a point to where the potential is there. but speaking for myself... the oldest 3D game that has strong characters/story that still holds strong for me to this day... Mafia (2002) (on PC). because while you can see the graphics are a bit dated, I still feel they are good enough to really sell the characters/game to the player. but I guess there is some debate here but I think once 3D became a bit more mature, graphics reached a level for developers to get their vision across a bit better. maybe it's just me but I can't imagine there are many single player 3D games, that have more of a story etc, that still stand out to this day that are older than the early 2000's off the top of my head. some might be okay for some quick action but in terms of playing through a single player story thing there probably ain't many that still hold strong even if they were good in their day. just some random thoughts No offense, but I think Pong is a bad example to use since the core concept is too simple so graphics are a total non-issue with a game like that as you can give it all the fancy graphics in the world and it's not going to make a real difference since the core concept is very simple. a game like that just won't have any real benefit going from 2D to 3D.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jun 17, 2020 17:06:32 GMT
I don't think that's entirely true across the board. I suspect it's possible some games would have been better if they were made at a later point in time. because I think some games, like say some earlier 3D games (call it in the mid-to-late 1990's), might be a bit dated today where as if they where made with a bit more modern 3D, they may have turned out respectable (since I imagine earlier 3D tech is more limited). I won't give examples but the basic point here I think is potentially true as I would imagine many 3D games of the late 1990's would not hold up well today (since I would imagine it would be easier to find newer 3D games (say over the last 10-20 years) that are flat out superior) but I would say once the 2000's came along that changed as 3D graphics finally reached a point to where the potential is there. but speaking for myself... the oldest 3D game that has strong characters/story that still holds strong for me to this day... Mafia (2002) (on PC). because while you can see the graphics are a bit dated, I still feel they are good enough to really sell the characters/game to the player. but I guess there is some debate here but I think once 3D became a bit more mature, graphics reached a level for developers to get their vision across a bit better. maybe it's just me but I can't imagine there are many single player 3D games, that have more of a story etc, that still stand out to this day that are older than the early 2000's off the top of my head. some might be okay for some quick action but in terms of playing through a single player story thing there probably ain't many that still hold strong even if they were good in their day. just some random thoughts No offense, but I think Pong is a bad example to use since the core concept is too simple so graphics are a total non-issue with a game like that as you can give it all the fancy graphics in the world and it's not going to make a real difference since the core concept is very simple. a game like that just won't have any real benefit going from 2D to 3D. Yes pong was a retarded example. I dunno. No one will agree that remakes are bad.. I am in the minority by far.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 17, 2020 22:09:53 GMT
mstreepsucksI know we are talking about video games but it seems when it comes to remakes of movie at least a fair amount of people seem to dislike those. so I think you could make a good case there. but even in terms of movies... while remakes can end up being pretty much crap, there are some good ones here and there. hell, even if someone remakes a top notch movie, while odds are it won't be as good as the original, it can still be decent/good etc in it's own right if one does not compare them. but I guess maybe a similar thing could be applied to video games. so I don't think your technically wrong for making that claim as it ultimately comes back to personal opinion just like what movies are good and what's not etc. You always seem to be a bit down on your self as I see that in your signature. but on a positive note, look at it this way... assuming one considers 'smart' to be above average, most people would not be 'smart' since most would be about average ; but at the same time 'average' is not bad as it's decent or reasonably intelligent. but if one is below average overall intelligence then it's a different story. still, even if someone is below average overall intelligence it does not make them worthless. or another thing... even someone of average intelligence or so can be more knowledgeable about certain subjects than the typical person if they are interested in learning the subject as I think, at least for the most part, if someone is interested in whatever subject they are trying to learn they can probably get at least fairly good at it etc.
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Post by azzajones on Jun 18, 2020 8:19:58 GMT
My view is: if a game holds up and is still great, the game should be replayed by existing fans and discovered by new fans - I still play the original DOOM & Duke Nukem 3D from the 90s - but if a game doesn't hold up then it should be left alone and not be remade for the sake of nostalgia.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 3, 2020 15:24:59 GMT
I'd say RE proves that remakes can be very good if not superior to the original.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 3, 2020 16:59:45 GMT
Somebody tell me please , since i don't get why remakes are good...How is wind waker remake better?
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Post by Raxivace on Jul 4, 2020 3:41:22 GMT
Somebody tell me please , since i don't get why remakes are good...How is wind waker remake better? Wind Waker wasn't remade OP, that was an HD remaster. Those are different things.
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Post by azzajones on Jul 4, 2020 7:38:36 GMT
In fairness, I did play the Crash Bandicoot & Spyro the Dragon remakes and those did work, those games hold up and are still fun to play, so that proves remakes can work - although I still think those were a nostalgia cash grab by Sony.
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