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Post by tarathian123 on May 6, 2017 21:10:15 GMT
I see the Lodger is in the lead. Best place for it :-)
As an amateur Ripperologist I found "The Lodger" disappointing. The essence was on sensation and suspense and not the known facts. If the movie is good enough viewers tend to believe what they see on the screen and don't bother clueing up on reality. A recent movie "The Imitation Game" illustrates my point perfectly. It was supposed to based on the true story of Alan Turing and Bletchley Park and the cracking of the Enigma machine. About 90% of it was pure baloney historically and characterisationally speaking. Yet most people tend to believe the movie rather than the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 23:52:21 GMT
Just to clarify, the 5 I bolded are the ones you're voting off? You are correct, 5. Lifeboat 4..Frenzy 3. Dial M for Murder 2. Suspicion 1. Rear Window Do you have any thoughts on Vertigo? Is there something that you really like particularly in the film? Was very surprised to see it disappear without even a whimper. The Lady Vanishes 1938 starts to show to me, Hitchcock getting his unique style down while Foreign Correspondent 1940, is perhaps his first-finest attempts at experimenting with camera angles and shots, like the shooting of the ambassador on the steps and the pursuit by Joel McCrea through the crowds is an important element, I start to see the mature Hitchcock in this film for the first-time, while I see the trademark Hitchcock finally showcasing his mastery of the art in the 39 steps. All great and very different pictures in their own ways, the more you watch Hitchcock the more you are impressed. (abstaining from The Lodger/unseen).
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 0:24:14 GMT
12 votes Lifeboat, 10 votes The Lodger, 7 votes Frenzy, 6 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 5 votes North by Northwest, 4 votes Notorious, 4 votes Rope, 3 votes Foreign Correspondent, 4 votes Suspicion, 4 vote Dial M for Murder, 1 Rear Window.
@eriknight, I too was surprised to see Vertigo go "not with a bang but a whimper," though I have decided, as "host," to hold off on voting, which is why I didn't do anything about it. I like it for many reasons: I think Stewart, my favorite actor, gives a superb performance; it's a brilliant analysis of obsession and voyeurism; and Hitchcock's direction is incredible. In many ways, I think it's the picture that most sums up Hitchcock's own themes, concepts, and even neuroses. It's not his most fun, by any means, or even, I think, his best, but it is the best at giving us the true essence of Hitchcock and telling us one corker of a well-plotted, poignantly characterized story in the process. Its portrait of obsession, furthermore, is very eerie, and Stewart's everyman quality only heightens this aspect.
Interesting about your thoughts on Foreign Correspondent. There are so many sequences in it that I love--the shooting of the (phony) ambassador on the steps is, as you mention, brilliant, and there are several others--but it just doesn't hold together as well as I'd like. I don't know if it's the casting of Joel McCrea or something... Not sure. I'd put it in the same class as Saboteur, Suspicion, and Stage Fright (watch that alliteration!)--very enjoyable, but not great Hitchcock. (Still, even just-good Hitchcock is better than just about anything nowadays!)
In case anyone is, for whatever reason, interested, two of my three favorite Hitchcocks are in constant flux (at the moment they are Rear Window and Strangers on a Train, but that's probably apt to change the next time I re-watch North by Northwest!), but my top choice always stays constant: Shadow of a Doubt, which I think is--not to try to misuse the word--sublime. An absolutely incredible movie, achingly poignant and moving, cemented by Joe Cotton's greatest performance and a yet-even-better one from the lovely Teresa Wright.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 1:40:36 GMT
Being me, I naturally forgot to close the round, but consider it closed!
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 14:18:40 GMT
Our losers are Lifeboat and The Lodger.
New List:
The 39 Steps 1935 The Lady Vanishes 1938 Rebecca 1940 Foreign Correspondent 1940 Suspicion 1941 Shadow of a Doubt 1943 Notorious 1946 Rope 1948 Strangers on a Train 1951 Dial M for Murder 1954 Rear Window 1954 North by Northwest 1959 Psycho 1960 Frenzy 1972
For a myriad of reasons I had to hold off on starting Round 10 last night, but it starts now! Will close at 7 tonight.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 14:29:13 GMT
Nort by Northwest (5) Notorious (4) Frenzy (3) Shadow of a Doubt (2) Dial M for Murder (1)
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Post by taranofprydain on May 7, 2017 15:27:08 GMT
5 Suspicion 4 Frenzy 3 Dial M for Murder 2 Notorious 1 Psycho
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 18:05:03 GMT
5. Frenzy 4. Suspicion 3. Dial M for Murder 2. Rope 1. Shadow of a Doubt
(all of these films are about equal one way or another, very tough list).
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 18:13:16 GMT
Adding up these votes...
12 votes Frenzy, 9 votes Suspicion, 7 votes Dial M for Murder, 6 votes Notorious, 5 votes North by Northwest, 3 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 1 vote Psycho.
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Post by tarathian123 on May 7, 2017 19:08:06 GMT
5 Frenzy 1972 4 Shadow of a Doubt 1943 3 Suspicion 1941 2 Foreign Correspondent 1940 1 Rebecca 1940
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 19:15:34 GMT
17 votes Frenzy, 12 votes Suspicion, 7 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 7 votes Dial M for Murder, 6 votes Notorious, 5 votes North by Northwest, 2 votes Foreign Correspondent, 1 vote Psycho, 1 vote Rebecca. (Well, at least I have an easier job than the fellas adding up the votes in the French election today...)
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Post by OldAussie on May 7, 2017 21:44:56 GMT
5 Foreign Correspondent 1940 4 Rope 1948 3 Shadow of a Doubt 1943 2 Frenzy 1972 1 Dial M for Murder 1954
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 21:55:58 GMT
19 votes Frenzy, 12 votes Suspicion, 10 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 7 votes Dial M for Murder, 7 votes Foreign Correspondent, 6 votes Notorious, 5 votes North by Northwest, 4 votes Rope, 1 vote Psycho, 1 vote Rebecca.
I will repeat that, if you're interested in changing your vote(s) in order to protect any particular favorites, you're more than welcome to do so before the cut-off time.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 23:31:17 GMT
19 votes Frenzy, 12 votes Suspicion, 10 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 7 votes Dial M for Murder, 7 votes Foreign Correspondent, 6 votes Notorious, 5 votes North by Northwest, 4 votes Rope, 1 vote Psycho, 1 vote Rebecca. I will repeat that, if you're interested in changing your vote(s) in order to protect any particular favorites, you're more than welcome to do so before the cut-off time. As long as North by Northwest and Psycho don't go out this round, I won't hold a vendetta against this game and throw a complete tantrum still surprised by Vertigo though,,,if you non-game players are reading this? please review my voting record. Now is the time to say that Psycho is a legendary landmark in cinema history and the grand-daddy of pushing the boundary lines on film- and you never really see anything that gory- it is mostly in your imagination and remains truly creepy no matter how many times you have viewed it. Is this not Genius? Squarely in my top 5 and tangling with Vertigo, though our most respectable host Salzmank is a very convincing salesman. Shadow versus Dial M versus Correspondent, that looks about right to me, nothing to argue about here.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 23:36:50 GMT
19 votes Frenzy, 12 votes Suspicion, 10 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 7 votes Dial M for Murder, 7 votes Foreign Correspondent, 6 votes Notorious, 5 votes North by Northwest, 4 votes Rope, 1 vote Psycho, 1 vote Rebecca. I will repeat that, if you're interested in changing your vote(s) in order to protect any particular favorites, you're more than welcome to do so before the cut-off time. As long as North by Northwest and Psycho don't go out this round, I won't hold a vendetta against this game and throw a complete tantrum still surprised by Vertigo though,,,if you non-game players are reading this? please review my voting record. Now is the time to say that Psycho is a legendary landmark in cinema history and the grand-daddy of pushing the boundary lines on film- and you never really see anything that gory- it is mostly in your imagination and remains truly creepy no matter how many times you have viewed it. Is this not Genius? Squarely in my top 5 and tangling with Vertigo, though our most respectable host Salzmank is a very convincing salesman. Shadow versus Dial M versus Correspondent, that looks about right to me, nothing to argue about here. Hah! And thanks for the compliment, Morpheus, though I'm not sure that in this age being a convincing salesman is all that much of a virtue... I will leave it to someone else to defend Psycho. While I rate it very highly, it has never been one of my favorite Hitchcocks--I've always found it somewhat cold and clinical (like the asylum at the end!). So, while it would take a long time for me to vote it off (were I playing along), I wouldn't exactly mourn its loss, either, as I would with Shadow of a Doubt or a few others.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 23:52:24 GMT
Hah! And thanks for the compliment, Morpheus, though I'm not sure that in this age being a convincing salesman is all that much of a virtue... I will leave it to someone else to defend Psycho. While I rate it very highly, it has never been one of my favorite Hitchcocks--I've always found it somewhat cold and clinical (like the asylum at the end!). So, while it would take a long time for me to vote it off (were I playing along), I wouldn't exactly mourn its loss, either, as I would with Shadow of a Doubt or a few others. Yes, but except for Nosferatu (1922 German Expressionist horror film which still scares the ___ out of me) Psycho is the only other film that can constantly creep me out no matter how many times that I see it, usually Horror films this early make me yawn and switch the channel. Salzmank, you have been a fantastic host, and we are all just salesman of one stripe or another- especially to ourselves, 'convincing' at least get's you in the door. I support you on Shadow of a Doubt, (only 1 vote).
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Post by Nalkarj on May 7, 2017 23:59:40 GMT
Yes, but except for Nosferatu (1922 German Expressionist horror film which still scares the ___ out of me) Psycho is the only other film that can constantly creep me out no matter how many times that I see it, usually Horror films this early make me yawn and switch the channel. Salzmank, you have been a fantastic host, and we are all just salesman of one stripe or another- especially to ourselves, 'convincing' at least get's you in the door. I support you on Shadow of a Doubt, (only 1 vote). Again, many thanks for the compliment--really very appreciated--and I was just joking around, of course. As for actual horror films that creep me out... Difficult, and interesting, question. I suppose my sympathies lie with ghost stories more than anything: The Uninvited, The Innocents, and Ghostwatch are high on my list. Psycho's ending certainly creeps me out, and I do like the film quite a bit, but it has never been a favorite for me in the way that Shadow of a Doubt, Strangers on a Train, Rear Window, and North by Northwest have been.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 8, 2017 1:10:05 GMT
The round is closed, and the final vote is--
19 votes Frenzy, 12 votes Suspicion, 10 votes Shadow of a Doubt, 7 votes Dial M for Murder, 7 votes Foreign Correspondent, 6 votes Notorious, 5 votes North by Northwest, 4 votes Rope, 1 vote Psycho, 1 vote Rebecca.
Frenzy and Suspicion are therefore our losers, and I'm relieved that my personal favorite, Shadow of a Doubt, narrowly escaped the boot this round.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 8, 2017 1:11:27 GMT
The 39 Steps 1935 The Lady Vanishes 1938 Rebecca 1940 Foreign Correspondent 1940 Shadow of a Doubt 1943 Notorious 1946 Rope 1948 Strangers on a Train 1951 Dial M for Murder 1954 Rear Window 1954 North by Northwest 1959 Psycho 1960
ROUND 11--WILL CLOSE 12 NOON EST TOMORROW
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Post by jervistetch on May 8, 2017 1:27:23 GMT
5. Foreign Correspondent 4. Rope 3.The Lady Vanishes 2. Dial M for Murder 1. Rear Window
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