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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 15:12:20 GMT
You can't say Mayweather or Mike Tyson, because they have retired.
The British press are saying it is Anthony Joshua now, and he is set to become the wealthiest of all time.
I'm a little bit sceptical about this, who do you think, if you are not a boxing fan then even better...
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Post by DSDSquared on May 1, 2017 15:15:00 GMT
It is easily still Mayweather and we absolutely can still use the name. I HIGHLY doubt he has fought his last fight. Tyson has been retired for a very long time. Completely different circumstance. No one outside of boxing fans would even recognize the name Anthony Joshua.
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Post by wonderburstanger on May 1, 2017 16:10:05 GMT
Conor McGregor
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 20:05:46 GMT
Okay, but at the moment Mayweather IS retired, if he does come out of retirement it will be for a joke fight in the easiest payday of anyone's life ever.
So discounting Mayweather and McGregor (who has never fought professionally in his life, I don't think he has even fought in the amateurs), who is the most famous?
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Post by DSDSquared on May 2, 2017 11:19:23 GMT
It is tough to say because boxing is a dying breed. I would still say it is Klitschko, even after the loss. He is a boxer where most casual fans still know his name.
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Post by runie on May 2, 2017 12:28:25 GMT
Its interesting that the US was such a great boxing nation , now it isnt due to creating its own sport that has overtaken it - but no other nation cares..(just like the typical US sport)- however the rest of the world keeps going on and is still boxing.. NZ , Aus, SA, Russia, Germany, South America are still well into it.
The US are going down there ever too predictable route with UFC. And its becoming a US only thing, which has led them into even more sporting isolation.
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Post by runie on May 2, 2017 12:32:03 GMT
It is tough to say because boxing is a dying breed. I would still say it is Klitschko, even after the loss. He is a boxer where most casual fans still know his name. There is a world outside of the US mate. sorry to tell you that.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 12:43:37 GMT
Is UFC even that big in America, or is it just in the fans heads? Because it isn't like you ever see these 'top earners lists' that are occasionally published and see UFC stars in there?
In boxing, when there is a big fight, it attracts all kinds of casual sports fans, but as far as I know I don't think the same thing happens in UFC. It has a hardcore following no doubt, but much beyond that? I don't know.
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Post by runie on May 2, 2017 13:08:24 GMT
Its huge mate - They earn loads of money - and fight much more often, like every other week or so for like 2m if they win.
Its a new sport - so it will take time before the top fighters will be in the top earners.
Its probally very dangerous - with lots of drop outs due to injury and like i said due to so many fights that occur - you dont get the big fight once or twice a year.
Fighters do not train for 6 months to get fit for a split of a 30m - 150m purse. They just turn up and fight if they can handle it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:11:34 GMT
tough to say.
there's not a lot of 'personalities' out there. would love to say GGG.
i'll go with Canelo
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:25:30 GMT
tough to say. there's not a lot of 'personalities' out there. would love to say GGG. i'll go with Canelo They are pretty unknown to the wider public though. I bet if they walked down the street anywhere in the world outside their home countries, they'd barely get recognised.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 2, 2017 13:35:13 GMT
It is tough to say because boxing is a dying breed. I would still say it is Klitschko, even after the loss. He is a boxer where most casual fans still know his name. There is a world outside of the US mate. sorry to tell you that. I, but that does not mean boxing is popular anymore. Look at the ratings. Sure, big names can still draw, especially in their home country, but for the most part, boxing has been dying for almost 20 years. I say this as a boxing fan.
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Post by runie on May 2, 2017 13:39:08 GMT
my info is way of BTW- top UFC fighters now only fight 2-4 times a year- Years back however figheters where fighting as often as there body would allow.
lesser fighters have to fight up to once every month and a half still though- so there is opposition( and they get paid much less) . I suppose it is going more inline with boxing now. Which means the top boys will Be earning a lot more per fight.
But if it doesnt get international I am not sure it can command huge purses. Big ones yes. and lots of viewers in the US - But it has a long way to go before it is anything like Boxing in the UK
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Post by runie on May 2, 2017 13:41:14 GMT
There is a world outside of the US mate. sorry to tell you that. I, but that does not mean boxing is popular anymore. Look at the ratings. Sure, big names can still draw, especially in their home country, but for the most part, boxing has been dying for almost 20 years. I say this as a boxing fan. I am not really a boxing fan= All I know is that it the popularity hasn't decreased much n the UK (if at all), or many other nations(by what I have noticed anyway) - But in the US it really has kind of died a death - In the UK UFC or MMA isnt a big deal. In the US it seems to be. Therefore does it take a mathematician?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:44:11 GMT
There is a world outside of the US mate. sorry to tell you that. I, but that does not mean boxing is popular anymore. Look at the ratings. Sure, big names can still draw, especially in their home country, but for the most part, boxing has been dying for almost 20 years. I say this as a boxing fan. I think boxing is almost back to where it was in the 90s in Britain. There have definitely been far more world champions here recently than probably any other time in history, but the TV viewing ratings aren't quite there yet, but that's because it is harder now to get mass audiences because there are more channels and the internet, plus there used to be a lot more fights on free television here in the 90s, big fights too. In that sense it is probably impossible to emulate the 90s in the modern day, but arena and stadium turnouts are probably eclipsing it though. Certainly by revenue and probably by numbers too,
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:52:48 GMT
I, but that does not mean boxing is popular anymore. Look at the ratings. Sure, big names can still draw, especially in their home country, but for the most part, boxing has been dying for almost 20 years. I say this as a boxing fan. I think boxing is almost back to where it was in the 90s in Britain. There have definitely been far more world champions here recently than probably any other time in history, but the TV viewing ratings aren't quite there yet, but that's because it is harder now to get mass audiences because there are more channels and the internet, plus there used to be a lot more fights on free television here in the 90s, big fights too. In that sense it is probably impossible to emulate the 90s in the modern day, but arena and stadium turnouts are probably eclipsing it though. Certainly by revenue and probably by numbers too, interesting. there's as much interest over there today as there was in the Frank Bruno and Prince Nas days? i get the publicity with Fury - i just kind of figured it was dying a slow death over there too. i miss 90s boxing. love the De La Hoya era.....
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
I think boxing is almost back to where it was in the 90s in Britain. There have definitely been far more world champions here recently than probably any other time in history, but the TV viewing ratings aren't quite there yet, but that's because it is harder now to get mass audiences because there are more channels and the internet, plus there used to be a lot more fights on free television here in the 90s, big fights too. In that sense it is probably impossible to emulate the 90s in the modern day, but arena and stadium turnouts are probably eclipsing it though. Certainly by revenue and probably by numbers too, interesting. there's as much interest over there today as there was in the Frank Bruno and Prince Nas days? i get the publicity with Fury - i just kind of figured it was dying a slow death over there too. i miss 90s boxing. love the De La Hoya era..... The huge draws in 90s Britain were Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and Prince Naseem. (The Benn and Eubank rivalry was huge here, but probably not as big anywhere else). All 5 of them attracted huge TV audiences whoever they were fighting (although maybe not Lennox Lewis, but that's because he never fought on free television when he became known to the public, but his fights were certainly as big on subscription TV). I think it is pretty comparable in the last 10 years. The huge draws of the past 10 years would be Ricky Hatton, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua now, David Haye, but then there are a bunch of fighters on the rung just below but not quite there, like Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Jame DeGale, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Chris Eubank Jnr, Tony Bellew, Billy Joe Saunders, which I don't think the 90s had an equivalent of, so actually the strength in depth is probably stronger now overall, if maybe the biggest names aren't quite as big as they were.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 14:21:15 GMT
interesting. there's as much interest over there today as there was in the Frank Bruno and Prince Nas days? i get the publicity with Fury - i just kind of figured it was dying a slow death over there too. i miss 90s boxing. love the De La Hoya era..... The huge draws in 90s Britain were Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and Prince Naseem. (The Benn and Eubank rivalry was huge here, but probably not as big anywhere else). All 5 of them attracted huge TV audiences whoever they were fighting (although maybe not Lennox Lewis, but that's because he never fought on free television when he became known to the public, but his fights were certainly as big on subscription TV). I think it is pretty comparable in the last 10 years. The huge draws of the past 10 years would be Ricky Hatton, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua now, David Haye, but then there are a bunch of fighters on the rung just below but not quite there, like Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Jame DeGale, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Chris Eubank Jnr, Tony Bellew, Billy Joe Saunders, which I don't think the 90s had an equivalent of, so actually the strength in depth is probably stronger now overall, if maybe the biggest names aren't quite as big as they were. nas is one of my favorites. i own his fight collection. never gets the recognition he deserves. he really blew up weight wise. apparently (correct me if i'm wrong) he had bone deficiencies in his hands and he really could never come back from it. i don't think a lot of people realize how close the barrera fight was. a lot of people just act like he get whooped and finally shut up - yes - he lost - but i think it was a lot closer than people think. used to love watching ricky hatton. sad story. never seemed the same after the mayweather loss just like nas after barrera. was a sad clip of him youtube completely bloated snorting some 'c' years back. don't know if it's been taken down or not i have a sense of compassion for guys like this. yes they had their fame - but once everything is gone - if they weren't smart with their money and the leeches and hangers on are gone (tyson's life comes to mind) - where do they go/do? don't know much about their personal lives - but here's hoping they're happy today
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 14:46:23 GMT
The huge draws in 90s Britain were Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and Prince Naseem. (The Benn and Eubank rivalry was huge here, but probably not as big anywhere else). All 5 of them attracted huge TV audiences whoever they were fighting (although maybe not Lennox Lewis, but that's because he never fought on free television when he became known to the public, but his fights were certainly as big on subscription TV). I think it is pretty comparable in the last 10 years. The huge draws of the past 10 years would be Ricky Hatton, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua now, David Haye, but then there are a bunch of fighters on the rung just below but not quite there, like Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Jame DeGale, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Chris Eubank Jnr, Tony Bellew, Billy Joe Saunders, which I don't think the 90s had an equivalent of, so actually the strength in depth is probably stronger now overall, if maybe the biggest names aren't quite as big as they were. nas is one of my favorites. i own his fight collection. never gets the recognition he deserves. he really blew up weight wise. apparently (correct me if i'm wrong) he had bone deficiencies in his hands and he really could never come back from it. i don't think a lot of people realize how close the barrera fight was. a lot of people just act like he get whooped and finally shut up - yes - he lost - but i think it was a lot closer than people think. used to love watching ricky hatton. sad story. never seemed the same after the mayweather loss just like nas after barrera. was a sad clip of him youtube completely bloated snorting some 'c' years back. don't know if it's been taken down or not i have a sense of compassion for guys like this. yes they had their fame - but once everything is gone - if they weren't smart with their money and the leeches and hangers on are gone (tyson's life comes to mind) - where do they go/do? don't know much about their personal lives - but here's hoping they're happy today Yeah, Naz cited the hand injury as the reason for retiring. There is also an interesting interview he did with Sky on the Barrera fight (I think it is on youtube), he says he took the fight really late and he had to do it because he was contracted by an American cable network to take it (I think HBO), so he had to lose an enormous amount of weight at the last minute, and the day before the fight he couldn't even stand up he was so exhausted. It might not be a popular view, but I think he was the most talented fighter this country has ever produced. I remember my next door neighbours mum, before he was even that big, used to always tell me "he's too arrogant", but my response was always "but he's gonna be a winner, haven't we had enough of losers like Frank Bruno yet?". I suppose as long as everyone has an opinion on you one way or the other, you're gonna make money in boxing. My opinion of him as a person though is pretty low compared to my opinion of him as a boxer. Sad about Ricky Hatton, he was always putting on a lot of weight between fights so it was bound to catch up with him eventually, he's been in the tabloids because of his drug problems, I don't think I've seen the video, certainly read about some of his exploits. I guess it is hard to replace boxing for some when you quit, I think he is doing some small promotions and coaching now, so hopefully he is getting his life together.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 14:56:46 GMT
The huge draws in 90s Britain were Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and Prince Naseem. (The Benn and Eubank rivalry was huge here, but probably not as big anywhere else). All 5 of them attracted huge TV audiences whoever they were fighting (although maybe not Lennox Lewis, but that's because he never fought on free television when he became known to the public, but his fights were certainly as big on subscription TV). I think it is pretty comparable in the last 10 years. The huge draws of the past 10 years would be Ricky Hatton, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua now, David Haye, but then there are a bunch of fighters on the rung just below but not quite there, like Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Jame DeGale, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Chris Eubank Jnr, Tony Bellew, Billy Joe Saunders, which I don't think the 90s had an equivalent of, so actually the strength in depth is probably stronger now overall, if maybe the biggest names aren't quite as big as they were. nas is one of my favorites. i own his fight collection. never gets the recognition he deserves. he really blew up weight wise. apparently (correct me if i'm wrong) he had bone deficiencies in his hands and he really could never come back from it. i don't think a lot of people realize how close the barrera fight was. a lot of people just act like he get whooped and finally shut up - yes - he lost - but i think it was a lot closer than people think. used to love watching ricky hatton. sad story. never seemed the same after the mayweather loss just like nas after barrera. was a sad clip of him youtube completely bloated snorting some 'c' years back. don't know if it's been taken down or not i have a sense of compassion for guys like this. yes they had their fame - but once everything is gone - if they weren't smart with their money and the leeches and hangers on are gone (tyson's life comes to mind) - where do they go/do? don't know much about their personal lives - but here's hoping they're happy today
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