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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 10, 2020 21:18:28 GMT
Non-Contemporaries?
I don't wanna see some young punk shit director discuss Vittorio De Sica or Ingmar Bergman. I love when great contemporary directors are discussed by OTHER contemporary directors, not the flavor of the week (which probably tastes like shit anyway).
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 10, 2020 21:39:39 GMT
I listened to a round table of directors not long ago--Ridley Scott, Tarantino, forgot who else and they sounded so anti-intellectual.
Like they had guns pointed at them while they talked.
Afraid to express an opinion I guess.
Ridley Scott had no desire to do an ALIEN movie until it became clear he would not get any more big $$$ unless he did one. Or two, or three...
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jul 10, 2020 23:34:37 GMT
Nope.
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Post by petrolino on Jul 10, 2020 23:35:37 GMT
Not in the slightest. I focus more on the comments being made than who's making them.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 11, 2020 0:13:27 GMT
Non-Contemporaries? I don't wanna see some young punk shit director discuss Vittorio De Sica or Ingmar Bergman. I love when great contemporary directors are discussed by OTHER contemporary directors, not the flavor of the week (which probably tastes like shit anyway). I get where you are coming from, but it's not really fair to the young director because we all have to start somewhere. Now, if said young director was being presumptuous and arrogant know it all, yes, that would rub me the wrong way. |
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Post by Vits on Jul 11, 2020 9:57:45 GMT
That's racist ageist.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 11, 2020 12:30:17 GMT
No.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 11, 2020 14:46:15 GMT
I listened to a round table of directors not long ago--Ridley Scott, Tarantino, forgot who else and they sounded so anti-intellectual. Like they had guns pointed at them while they talked. Afraid to express an opinion I guess. Ridley Scott had no desire to do an ALIEN movie until it became clear he would not get any more big $$$ unless he did one. Or two, or three... LOL (guns pointed at them)
To quote Orson Welles, money is the enemy of art.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 11, 2020 15:33:20 GMT
So no one can discuss DW Griffith, FW Murnau, Erich von Stroheim anymore? All their contemporaries are dead
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 11, 2020 17:03:38 GMT
So no one can discuss DW Griffith, FW Murnau, Erich von Stroheim anymore? All their contemporaries are dead There are video clips of over 100 years.. Documentaries only have only so much time for interviews, and even most of them are cut dramatically (ala Sam Peckinpah's 11-hr documentary interview cut down to 90 mins), so I would prioritize those who worked in the 1950s rather than someone who made their first movie last year. |
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Post by quagsjonny on Jul 11, 2020 17:43:13 GMT
I respect that they have made feature films, a huge accomplishment. I guess that gives them the right to critique others. It does not mean I agree with what they say.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 16, 2020 17:12:10 GMT
Here's one I came by randomly… "Trespassing Bergman".. Of course, there are no movies of Bergman on Amazon nor Netflix (pieces of shit). And the other two documentaries on Amazon are "Not Available" (This is how Jeff Bozos makes his money). There is this fella, Daniel Espinosa, who goes on and on (while looking at Bergman's library of VHS tapes) and saying "Oh we watched Ghostbusters.. It says 'Rental fee paid', so he paid for this. But what are you gonna do about it? "I'm Bergman" (and other awkward crap).
Wes Anderson goes on a soliloquy about how Americans pronounce Max von Sydow, and how the Swedish pronounce it (properly).
Of course to appear "metaphysical", they introduce Martin Scorsese in what is a premature recording. He's getting his seat arranged, is asking inane questions (nothing to do with Bergman), then starts to ask "What is this for?" and asks which company they're working for (as if he just flew to Sweden without knowing this information). Then goes on that he might not know the chronology of his work (so enlightening).
Then I see Ang Lee, who made the movie "Hulk"… Michael Haneke said something I don't even remember, maybe commenting on the carpet. "Funny Games"…. I'm guessing Claire Denis is a director, but she goes on saying how she hopes there are no dogs, and stops short of saying that she would have to leave Faro Island if there were.
Robert De Niro says "If you ask me six months from now about his work, I'll be more prepared. I would have an answer for possible questions you ask me".
Again, as I said numerous times, a documentary is 90 minutes long. 1/4 of it will be spent on watching people take airplanes, cars, walking, taking their shoes off and putting on slippers because the owners of the place prefer it that way. So there's only a few minutes, and its spent on ridiculous non-Bergman stuff, by those who are not his contemporaries in any way.
Woody Allen is in this, and he's always had a love for Bergman.. Fine. Show more of him.
One Swedish director is curious about one porno movie (Emannuelle) in a library of hundreds of videos. Even towards the end when he has a second chance to say something meaningful, he observes and becomes fascinated with "Ingmar Bergman's fuse box".. Then in another room he finds a cane.. "Ingmar used this during his dancing days, when he would dance the Charleston…. before becoming a Nazi". He thinks he's funny, too, but comes off as ridiculous. Lars von Trier is obsessive and repetitive about masturbation. He kept saying "I'm sure Ingmar sat here and masturbated like crazy.. I'm sure he had a small vesicle, but I'm sure he masturbated so much in this room" (I guess Ingmar is the only one who masturbated).. Lars then goes on and on.. "Ingmar vomits, just like we vomit. He $hits like we $hit.".. Speaking of shaise, Wes goes on to say "This is a strange place to have a toilet". Even the Swedish director goes all around the library and says, "Why would anyone want to have this many movies". John Landis says how "The Seventh Seal becomes hard to watch because it has been parodied so much, you know with Death as a character".. Of course he'd say something stupid like this, because he doesn't have the imagination or creativity to come up with an idea like that. If only Bergman could have directed a masterpiece like "Three Amigos". At one point, he even says (thinking of "The Virgin Spring").. "Wait a minute, this seems like a medieval movie about revenge. Wait a minute, it IS a medieval movie about revenge" – what a "genius". Ridley Scott names one of Bergman's movies and asks out loud "I wonder if this was naive" - but offers no explanation of what the hell he is talking about.
Some director with the surname of Payne says how "The Seventh Seal" doesn't hold up. Not only wasn't this guy alive when the movie came out, but he should realize the movie is full of universal themes that anyone can understand, even if it centered around the plague in Europe around 800 years ago. Right after, it cuts to a new scene (I wonder if this was intentional) where Woody Allen says "It helps to know history, philosophy".. Again with limited time, they should have used more of his interview, and cut the others out. If this was made today, they wouldn't have included Woody at all, because Twitter doesn't like him.
This was a random viewing experience. I had revisited a lot of Bergman movies, mostly ones I had already seen, and the documentary proves my point. I could be even more descriptive, but my old computer keeps freezing up, and this is taking way too long to type out.
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