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Post by hi224 on Jul 12, 2020 0:12:28 GMT
Investigation came to the conclusion that avalanche slided onto the tent at night. Afraid to be cruched by another wave tourists cut the tent and got out.
“The group went 50 meters down to a rock ridge. It's a natural avalanche stopper. They did the right thing here.” - said Kuryakov (Procuracy spokeperson).
“But that's a second cause of why the group was doomed. When they turned around they didn't see the tent. Sight distance was 16 meters. They were 50 meters away.” - he explained.
The investigators believe that tourists, unable to find the tent, began to descend further, then made a fire. Then they tried to return but freezed to death as temperature was -40-45ºC and they were only half-dressed.
Re-enactment on tragedy's site showed that at such sight distance they could find the tent only accidentally, even if they knew where it was approximately.
“It was an epic struggle. There was no panic. But they stood no chance under the circumstances.” - Kuryakov concluded. BBC RussianRIA News
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Post by MCDemuth on Jul 12, 2020 0:34:50 GMT
I don't believe those fuckin' skeptics... That doesn't explain why... they had injuries on the inside of their bodies, but not on the outside... They were radioactive... and why they had prematurely aged. And there is no proof that wild animals had some of them for lunch either, but, that doesn't mean that it could not have happened after this theoretical avalanche.  This is just Cherry Picking the evidence at it's finest, to dismiss a mystery they don't want to deal with. |
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Post by politicidal on Jul 12, 2020 13:26:08 GMT
*shrugs*. Aliens started the avalanche.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 17, 2020 14:19:09 GMT
I've read about this case more than a little; and the chief problem is that probable myth seems to have gotten mixed in with the facts to such an extent that it's hard to parse out precisely what really did happen and which aspects, regarding details such as condition and disposition of the bodies upon discovery, have been embroidered to the point of urban legend status. Not unusual with these types of 'mysteries' but because of the general level of secrecy in Russian 'official' informational channels--both then and now--several additional layers of impenetrable likely misinformation have been piled on.
I doubt any totally accurate answer to this one will ever be forthcoming.
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Post by hi224 on Jul 17, 2020 14:40:50 GMT
I've read about this case more than a little; and the chief problem is that probable myth seems to have gotten mixed in with the facts to such an extent that it's hard to parse out precisely what really did happen and which aspects, regarding details such as condition and disposition of the bodies upon discovery, have been embroidered to the point of urban legend status. Not unusual with these types of 'mysteries' but because of the general level of secrecy in Russian 'official' informational channels--both then and now--several additional layers of impenetrable likely misinformation have been piled on. I doubt any totally accurate answer to this one will ever be forthcoming. Yeah I mean what I posted above was a theory off of reddit basically. But I feel somewhere in between is the true answer, IE: an avalanche caused by military testing could've forced out the group and then rather then admit to testing being the chief reason simply shrugged it off as elemental. |
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Post by amyghost on Jul 17, 2020 14:44:52 GMT
I've read about this case more than a little; and the chief problem is that probable myth seems to have gotten mixed in with the facts to such an extent that it's hard to parse out precisely what really did happen and which aspects, regarding details such as condition and disposition of the bodies upon discovery, have been embroidered to the point of urban legend status. Not unusual with these types of 'mysteries' but because of the general level of secrecy in Russian 'official' informational channels--both then and now--several additional layers of impenetrable likely misinformation have been piled on. I doubt any totally accurate answer to this one will ever be forthcoming. Yeah I mean what I posted above was a theory off of reddit basically. But I feel somewhere in between is the true answer, IE: an avalanche caused by military testing could've forced out the group and then rather then admit to testing being the chief reason simply shrugged it off as elemental. I tend to agree that there might have been a manmade 'triggering' incident that touched off the chain of events, but it's unlikely the Russian government would ever cop to this out of concerns about revelations of specific military testing of sensitive technologies. |
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Post by hi224 on Jul 17, 2020 14:46:04 GMT
Yeah I mean what I posted above was a theory off of reddit basically. But I feel somewhere in between is the true answer, IE: an avalanche caused by military testing could've forced out the group and then rather then admit to testing being the chief reason simply shrugged it off as elemental. I tend to agree that there might have been a manmade 'triggering' incident that touched off the chain of events, but it's unlikely the Russian government would ever cop to this out of concerns about revelations of specific military testing of sensitive technologies. Of course, it is Russia after all. |
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Post by amyghost on Jul 17, 2020 14:49:25 GMT
I tend to agree that there might have been a manmade 'triggering' incident that touched off the chain of events, but it's unlikely the Russian government would ever cop to this out of concerns about revelations of specific military testing of sensitive technologies. Of course, it is Russia after all. And military secrecy has always been obsessive with them. But we probably would be apt to play it close to the vest with US military experimentation as well--as I guess would likely most countries with advanced military capabilities. Secrecy is all when it comes to that! |
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Post by MCDemuth on Jul 19, 2020 14:26:25 GMT
I've read about this case more than a little; and the chief problem is that probable myth seems to have gotten mixed in with the facts to such an extent that it's hard to parse out precisely what really did happen and which aspects, regarding details such as condition and disposition of the bodies upon discovery, have been embroidered to the point of urban legend status. Not unusual with these types of 'mysteries' but because of the general level of secrecy in Russian 'official' informational channels--both then and now--several additional layers of impenetrable likely misinformation have been piled on. I doubt any totally accurate answer to this one will ever be forthcoming. The thing that bothers me most about this "avalanche" theory, is that avalanches happen all the time, and if that is what happened to these hikers... Why didn't they conclude that, back then, and where did all this "para-normal stuff" come from? They should have declared it was an avalanche, back then, and closed the case... but they didn't. And "military secrecy"? There's nothing secret about avalanches, so why be so hush hush about a natural phenomenon? Especially, like I just said, about how they could have closed the case, by just admitting that it was an avalanche... But instead, this mystery has continued for so long... and involves "para-normal" aspects... That a simple avalanche, can't explain it all... Thus, keeping simple explanations unbelievable, and people wanting more answers. Letting it become so mysterious, doesn't make sense... And for me, that does make me think that the story has more truth to it, than fiction. UFOs? Perhaps not... But definitely something more mysterious happened to this group than JUST a huge snow drift, made of frozen water, colliding with them. |
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Post by Sarge on Aug 6, 2020 5:14:08 GMT
The avalanche is a possible explanation although I don't remember any mention of an avalanche in the original report. I believe the tent was reported ripped open from the inside and a flask of vodka was found, and drank by searchers. There is another thread about this, maybe in history sub, that covered the details and myths.
My pet theory was drugs and I gave my pitch in the other thread but it's all guesswork at this point.
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Post by mecano04 on Feb 1, 2021 18:58:36 GMT
I just read an article from National Geographic, supporting the avalanche theory. Too long to post it all here and I already made a link for those who don't want to subscribe: archive.vn/VU2sM |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 7:47:04 GMT
Avalanche.
After fleeing the tent undressed in those temperatures, you're pretty much done if you can't get back to recover your clothing. Whiteout conditions are very disorientating, sometimes you can't tell up from down, never mind pinpoint a direction.
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Post by MCDemuth on Feb 5, 2021 0:07:54 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 8, 2021 19:22:20 GMT
hi224 What's the actual evidence suggesting that there was at least one Avalanche? If there was an avalanche... Why wasn't the campsite completely covered by it, when the investigators found it? If there had been some kind of a fluke snow melt, why didn't they melt the foot tracks? Fleeing AFTER a first avalanche raises more questions... It has been suggested that there may have been a second avalanche, away from the campsite, which may have dramatically impacted some of the hikers, crushing them... Why would the campers run towards another avalanche, instead of away from it? The investigators followed the nine sets of tracks to find the bodies, so the tracks were NOT covered up... suggesting there was NOT a second avalanche... So why couldn't the hikers follow their own tracks, back to their tent to get their clothing? Unless I a missing something... The original investigators, did not find any evidence indicating that there were any avalanches at all, and the known evidence seems to suggest that there wasn't any... So what happened to them?
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Post by JHA Durant on Aug 10, 2021 7:01:19 GMT
I was under the impression that some investigators reached the conclusion that it was the result of a katabatic wind suddenly striking the campsite. They claimed that under certain circumstances a katabatic wind can be like an invisible avalanche, wreaking the exact same level of damage as one but as wind and not as a landslide of ice and snow.
There was an incident in Sweden during the 1970s that heavily resembled what happened at Dyatlov Pass, even happening at the same time of year and with roughly the same number of people in the expedition, except that one person lived through the experience. The survivor told of a massive wind that struck the camp, destroying their shelter and forcing them to dig into the snow to make a trench. The survivor was one of the few who had tried to make a run for it; everyone in the hastily dug trench froze to death. The cause was determined to have been a katabatic wind.
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Post by Sarge on Aug 14, 2021 7:19:31 GMT
There are a number of pet theories, all of them are passed off as the only reasonable explanation. A bunch of kids went into the woods, got high, one had a bad trip, freaked out in the middle of the night, and everyone ended up out in the woods where they got lost and died of exposure. Why else do kids go away from everyone ... to do something they shouldn't. It's why my kid and his friends go camping now, so they can get away from everyone and smoke dope all night, they think I don't know but I can smell it on their clothes. All these theories about aliens, katabatic winds, Soviet spies, radiation, are imaginations running wild when an everyday boring explanation suffices.
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