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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 12, 2020 21:54:30 GMT
Ever since the Snyder Cut was finally announced, that’s been something that YouTubers and clickbaity rumor sites have been talking about on a pretty consistent basis. I just don’t get it. Why are some people so convinced that Ben Affleck is going to come back to a role that was a complete disaster for both his career and his personal life?
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Post by politicidal on Jul 12, 2020 23:08:22 GMT
I guess since their persistence with the Snyder Cut made it come to fruition, why not Affleck's return?
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2020 0:50:06 GMT
Some probably think his frustration with the role came from WB's handling of things, and that if they are willing to let Snyder tell his JL story that maybe there is hope they would give Affleck the freedom to do his own Batman stuff.
I think it's ridiculous as I think more so the pressure both he and the fans put on him in the role just was too much to take, even if WB gave him 100% freedom the pressure and stress of being Batman would remain, and that's not good for him, which he recognised and why he stepped away, which is admirable, people should just let him be and not expect any more from him in the role.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 13, 2020 5:11:16 GMT
Some probably think his frustration with the role came from WB's handling of things, and that if they are willing to let Snyder tell his JL story that maybe there is hope they would give Affleck the freedom to do his own Batman stuff. Yep. It all goes back to Snyder and the pipe dream that his trampled vision was flawless and brilliant. |
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2020 16:46:59 GMT
Some probably think his frustration with the role came from WB's handling of things, and that if they are willing to let Snyder tell his JL story that maybe there is hope they would give Affleck the freedom to do his own Batman stuff. Yep. It all goes back to Snyder and the pipe dream that his trampled vision was flawless and brilliant. Not what I said. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 13, 2020 20:15:11 GMT
Yep. It all goes back to Snyder and the pipe dream that his trampled vision was flawless and brilliant. Not what I said. I filled in the holes. |
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2020 20:23:05 GMT
No you ignored what I actually said and made up your own bollocks. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 13, 2020 20:57:55 GMT
No you ignored what I actually said and made up your own bollocks. Perhaps you didn't mean to imply Snyder fans are deluded, blame everything on WB, and think everything would be dandy if they let him keep fucking up the property. But you did. |
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Post by dazz on Jul 14, 2020 1:00:40 GMT
No you ignored what I actually said and made up your own bollocks. Perhaps you didn't mean to imply Snyder fans are deluded, blame everything on WB, and think everything would be dandy if they let him keep fucking up the property. But you did. No I implied what I stated, that WB allowing Snyder to make and release the movie as he wanted to may signify WB taking their hands off of and letting people make the movies they want to, which was an issue with WB at the time of the whole JL and Affleck debacle, WB was notoriously reactionary, oh our last film didn't do this well so now do this, oh that film from Marvel did so well copy that, doesn't mean Snyder's unhindered vision was going to be a masterpiece however.
Considering Reeves walked away from WB until they supposedly gave him total free reign to make his Batman movie how and when he wanted to, even giving im almost 2 years to write the script for it also suggest corporate interference was probably one of the issues Affleck and others have been facing with WB, why else have they lost almost half a dozen directors for The Flash movie at this point? WB have mishandled their DC films for the better part of a decade, even when they had one of the most profitable movies of all time on their hands with Joker what did those clowns do? they sold off like half the profits of the movie for like $40m, WB are fucking idiots with the DC properties.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 14, 2020 1:56:07 GMT
Perhaps you didn't mean to imply Snyder fans are deluded, blame everything on WB, and think everything would be dandy if they let him keep fucking up the property. But you did. No I implied what I stated, that WB allowing Snyder to make and release the movie as he wanted to may signify WB taking their hands off of and letting people make the movies they want to, which was an issue with WB at the time of the whole JL and Affleck debacle, WB was notoriously reactionary, oh our last film didn't do this well so now do this, oh that film from Marvel did so well copy that, doesn't mean Snyder's unhindered vision was going to be a masterpiece however.
Considering Reeves walked away from WB until they supposedly gave him total free reign to make his Batman movie how and when he wanted to, even giving im almost 2 years to write the script for it also suggest corporate interference was probably one of the issues Affleck and others have been facing with WB, why else have they lost almost half a dozen directors for The Flash movie at this point? WB have mishandled their DC films for the better part of a decade, even when they had one of the most profitable movies of all time on their hands with Joker what did those clowns do? they sold off like half the profits of the movie for like $40m, WB are fucking idiots with the DC properties.
WB's hands aren't clean or anything, but Affleck was clearly frustrated before JL.  For Snyder fanboys, it's easier to pin it all on WB rather than disappointment with Snyder's BvS. Evidently you're an example of what I'm talking about rather than a preacher, but you're only saying the earnest version of my cynical one. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 14, 2020 2:36:39 GMT
It doesn’t seem like Affleck was disappointed with Snyder’s vision. By all accounts, he’s always been a pretty big supporter of it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 14, 2020 2:41:46 GMT
It doesn’t seem like Affleck was disappointed with Snyder’s vision. By all accounts, he’s always been a pretty big supporter of it. Yeah, he seems downright tickled to be apart of it in that photo I posted. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 14, 2020 2:47:37 GMT
It doesn’t seem like Affleck was disappointed with Snyder’s vision. By all accounts, he’s always been a pretty big supporter of it. Yeah, he seems downright tickled to be apart of it in that photo I posted. That photo was from when he and Henry Cavill were being asked about the response to BvS. He seemed like he genuinely wasn’t expecting the kind of response the movie got, and definitely seemed disappointed, but that doesn’t mean he had any grievances with Zack Snyder’s vision. In fact, he actually supported the Snyder Cut movement, and seems to be on pretty good terms with Snyder in general. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 14, 2020 6:10:46 GMT
Yeah, he seems downright tickled to be apart of it in that photo I posted. That photo was from when he and Henry Cavill were being asked about the response to BvS. He seemed like he genuinely wasn’t expecting the kind of response the movie got, and definitely seemed disappointed, but that doesn’t mean he had any grievances with Zack Snyder’s vision. In fact, he actually supported the Snyder Cut movement, and seems to be on pretty good terms with Snyder in general. So you say he's disappointed with the reaction to BvS rather than the movie itself. I'd be astonished if the director of Gone Baby Gone, The Town, and Argo didn't recognize the quality of the film BvS turned out to be, but that's beside the point. You and I are on the same page - Affleck was not happy before the JL drama, that is the main thing. If that pic isn't enough, look at the JL reshoots where he's already a bloated alcoholic. In fact, he'd stepped down from directing his Batman 5 months prior to Whedon being brought in. Now Dazz is trying to feed the narrative that this all goes back to the crime and injustice of not letting Snyder fuck up DC for the 4th time. Yeah, okay. Meanwhile, Snyder fanboys think that because they got an inch with a miniseries on an app, all their Snyder fanboy dreams are coming true, including Batfleck Returns. Yeah, okay. I'm sure Affleck supports his friend/co-worker's creative freedom, but not enough to jump ship over it, nor do I think WB would treat Affleck with the same Gestapo grip as the director of Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga-Hoole. Affleck worked hard to rekindle his image and went so far as winning Best Picture. Then came BvS. Unless you were living in a cave in 2016, he didn't need any extra help to drop out of the franchise. |
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Post by dazz on Jul 14, 2020 12:33:38 GMT
That photo was from when he and Henry Cavill were being asked about the response to BvS. He seemed like he genuinely wasn’t expecting the kind of response the movie got, and definitely seemed disappointed, but that doesn’t mean he had any grievances with Zack Snyder’s vision. In fact, he actually supported the Snyder Cut movement, and seems to be on pretty good terms with Snyder in general. So you say he's disappointed with the reaction to BvS rather than the movie itself. I'd be astonished if the director of Gone Baby Gone, The Town, and Argo didn't recognize the quality of the film BvS turned out to be, but that's beside the point. You and I are on the same page - Affleck was not happy before the JL drama, that is the main thing. If that pic isn't enough, look at the JL reshoots where he's already a bloated alcoholic. In fact, he'd stepped down from directing his Batman 5 months prior to Whedon being brought in. Now Dazz is trying to feed the narrative that this all goes back to the crime and injustice of not letting Snyder fuck up DC for the 4th time. Yeah, okay. Meanwhile, Snyder fanboys think that because they got an inch with a miniseries on an app, all their Snyder fanboy dreams are coming true, including Batfleck Returns. Yeah, okay. I'm sure Affleck supports his friend/co-worker's creative freedom, but not enough to jump ship over it, nor do I think WB would treat Affleck with the same Gestapo grip as the director of Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga-Hoole. Affleck worked hard to rekindle his image and went so far as winning Best Picture. Then came BvS. Unless you were living in a cave in 2016, he didn't need any extra help to drop out of the franchise. No dummy I am not, that is YOUR narrative interpretation which is clearly biased towards HALF of my post where I state my speculation on the mindset of some fans, the other half of my initial post states MY opinion of why Affleck left, whichj incase you are too lazy to go and check what I said here it is in a nutshell, being Batman was too much pressure for Affleck because of the pressure he put on himself and the fans put on him to make the character work, so he stepped down for health reasons, which is also why I don't think he would come back even if he was given full creative control.
Don't get me wrong I don't doubt WB's handling of things at the time didn't make things easier for him based on their track record, but I think that is 1 issue among hundreds which led to him stepping away, which he is all the better for doing so.
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