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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2017 17:23:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:31:59 GMT
They are good points, however, the next manager for Arsenal is very likely to be worse, not better.
DT always says "don't be scared of change, look at Chelsea, they sacked Mourinho and got Conte in and now look at them". However, Chelsea only won the league 12 months before Conte arrived. And also, how many managers did Chelsea have to go through after the first time they sacked Mourinho? Well I lost count, and this was when they were the biggest spenders in the league.. by far.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 17:41:55 GMT
Worse simply means not qualifying for the champions league. Wenger has now become that... so what have you lost?
I also like to remind Arsenal fans that even when he was supposedly good, he couldn't dominate, win it two in a row and was very quickly destroyed by Fergie. As soon as Mourinho arrived on the scene, that was it... game over. He simply couldn't compete.
You've been deluding yourselves ever since.
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Post by loofapotato on May 2, 2017 18:24:09 GMT
If you want to have a manager that manages a team to finish in the top 4 with winning seasons consistently year in and year out but never really gets the team to mentally go beyond that where they can win silverware then he's the man.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 18:51:30 GMT
I think just give Wenger one more year. His arse has been on the line more this year than any other, so give him one last chance to pull his finger out and see what he is made of.
I think he is going to walk anyway, Arsenal's results were looking pretty good again until the Spurs game, so surely he would have already announced he was staying if he was staying? I think he is putting the feelers out to the press that he is staying, but really he is going to leave, he just doesn't want to announce it yet because he might lose the dressing room and any remaining authority he has left if he announces he is leaving now. Don't forget they've still got an FA Cup to play for and a chance of the top 4 still... a slim chance, but a chance nevertheless.
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Post by runie on May 2, 2017 19:55:04 GMT
The investors make/made money from him. 20 years in the top 4 makes money, less wages and net transfer payments than other teams of similar turnover. profit every year, fans that dont demand much more, new ground whilst dried up cash flow isn't a sunk cost - its an asset - just the land value will have gone up 3 times since it was purchased. now there is no champs league thats 50m minimum less. So less reason. If i was an owner I would cut and run know, as another manager is not so easy going on transfers(Mourinho and Pep demand huge purchases, as two examples). I can only see the club going backwards or starting to run a loss - the other 5 top teams seem a better bet. |
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on May 2, 2017 20:37:08 GMT
They are good points, however, the next manager for Arsenal is very likely to be worse, not better. DT always says "don't be scared of change, look at Chelsea, they sacked Mourinho and got Conte in and now look at them". However, Chelsea only won the league 12 months before Conte arrived. And also, how many managers did Chelsea have to go through after the first time they sacked Mourinho? Well I lost count, and this was when they were the biggest spenders in the league.. by far. They appointed Avram Grant immediately after they sacked Mourinho. He lost the league on the last day by two points and lost the Champions League Final on penalties. His successor was Big Phil, who they sacked and replaced with Guus Hiddink who won the FA Cup. His successor was Carlo Ancelotti, who won the double in his first season, before being fired after a trophyless second season. Ancelotti was succeeded by AVB, who was sacked half way through the season and replaced with Roberto Di Matteo, who won the FA Cup and the Champions League. Di Matteo was sacked very soon after, being replaced with Rafael Benitez who won the Europa League. Benitez's successor was Jose Mourinho, who won the League Cup and Premier League in his second season Mourinho was sacked part way through his third season and eventually succeeded by Conte, who looks like he will win the double in his first season. I don't see that sacking managers is causing them any problems. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:40:23 GMT
They are good points, however, the next manager for Arsenal is very likely to be worse, not better. DT always says "don't be scared of change, look at Chelsea, they sacked Mourinho and got Conte in and now look at them". However, Chelsea only won the league 12 months before Conte arrived. And also, how many managers did Chelsea have to go through after the first time they sacked Mourinho? Well I lost count, and this was when they were the biggest spenders in the league.. by far. Seven. And guess what? In that time they managed to win 1 league title(likely to be two), 3 FA cups, the Champions league, and the Europa league. Not bad going. In that same period trophies Arsene Wenger won= ZERO. |
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Post by THawk on May 2, 2017 20:46:06 GMT
Wenger does not miss Champions League qualification. To demand that they win it is a bit absurd. Arsenal have had very rough draws on a consistent basis. If Arsenal think someone else will do better, they are sorely mistaken.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 22:20:17 GMT
They are good points, however, the next manager for Arsenal is very likely to be worse, not better. DT always says "don't be scared of change, look at Chelsea, they sacked Mourinho and got Conte in and now look at them". However, Chelsea only won the league 12 months before Conte arrived. And also, how many managers did Chelsea have to go through after the first time they sacked Mourinho? Well I lost count, and this was when they were the biggest spenders in the league.. by far. They appointed Avram Grant immediately after they sacked Mourinho. He lost the league on the last day by two points and lost the Champions League Final on penalties. His successor was Big Phil, who they sacked and replaced with Guus Hiddink who won the FA Cup. His successor was Carlo Ancelotti, who won the double in his first season, before being fired after a trophyless second season. Ancelotti was succeeded by AVB, who was sacked half way through the season and replaced with Roberto Di Matteo, who won the FA Cup and the Champions League. Di Matteo was sacked very soon after, being replaced with Rafael Benitez who won the Europa League. Benitez's successor was Jose Mourinho, who won the League Cup and Premier League in his second season Mourinho was sacked part way through his third season and eventually succeeded by Conte, who looks like he will win the double in his first season. I don't see that sacking managers is causing them any problems. They had some mixed success but they spent a lot of money and were still kind of on a slow downward spiral getting further and further away from challenging until Mourinho came back to return them to their former glory. |
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on May 2, 2017 22:28:36 GMT
They appointed Avram Grant immediately after they sacked Mourinho. He lost the league on the last day by two points and lost the Champions League Final on penalties. His successor was Big Phil, who they sacked and replaced with Guus Hiddink who won the FA Cup. His successor was Carlo Ancelotti, who won the double in his first season, before being fired after a trophyless second season. Ancelotti was succeeded by AVB, who was sacked half way through the season and replaced with Roberto Di Matteo, who won the FA Cup and the Champions League. Di Matteo was sacked very soon after, being replaced with Rafael Benitez who won the Europa League. Benitez's successor was Jose Mourinho, who won the League Cup and Premier League in his second season Mourinho was sacked part way through his third season and eventually succeeded by Conte, who looks like he will win the double in his first season. I don't see that sacking managers is causing them any problems. They had some mixed success but they spent a lot of money and were still kind of on a slow downward spiral getting further and further away from challenging until Mourinho came back to return them to their former glory. Everyone spends a lot of money in the Premier League. As far as a downward spiral is concerned, they finished 2nd in 2010/11, 6th in 2011/12 and 3rd in 2012/13 then Mourinho came back and they finished third again. In his third season they were about 17th when they sacked him and they shot up the league straight after, to the point where they'll probably win it this season. I really don't see where you're getting the idea that changing managers is the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 22:38:51 GMT
They had some mixed success but they spent a lot of money and were still kind of on a slow downward spiral getting further and further away from challenging until Mourinho came back to return them to their former glory. Everyone spends a lot of money in the Premier League. As far as a downward spiral is concerned, they finished 2nd in 2010/11, 6th in 2011/12 and 3rd in 2012/13 then Mourinho came back and they finished third again. In his third season they were about 17th when they sacked him and they shot up the league straight after, to the point where they'll probably win it this season. I really don't see where you're getting the idea that changing managers is the problem. Mourinho had clearly completely lost the dressing room, so I wouldn't even count that season. I think the point is though, they weren't challenging for the title for a few years before Mourinho arrived. Despite only finishing 3rd place in his year back, they were actually challenging again that year with Liverpool and City. I think they would have drifted further and further away if not for that. Changing managers is okay if your current manager is useless/average and you can almost certainly do better or he has completely lost the dressing room. I'm not convinced either applies to Wenger yet. |
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Post by WullieFort on May 2, 2017 23:55:30 GMT
Wenger's best years came when he had Adams, Bould, Keown, Dixon, Seaman, etc,.at the back
He didn't sign them. They were a gift from George Graham. He knows nothing about good defending. He's not too interested in that side of the game.
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