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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 17, 2020 18:46:16 GMT
Which will not 'blacklist' anyone of opposing political viewpoints that go against Hollywood group think("You must vote blue no matter who"). link I can't say that he's in the wrong to do so, from a political standpoint most TV and film output by mainstream production companies and networks are making the mistake of placing politics over striving to tell entertaining and engaging storytelling. Perfect example - Was watching the premiere of NBC's Council of Dads earlier this year and in the last ten minutes a character dies and emotion is hitting all the bells and whistles and here I was, a grown man, getting a little bit sobby but then they just break all the momentum to talk about gender politics with one character and suddenly all impact was lessened, it came out of nowhere and had no importance to the storytelling of that scene it would've fit better in a later episode. Not only that but look at Star Trek today and compare it to Star Trek of yesterday, like a night and day difference in how political angles were handled same with The Twilight Zone and even The Simpsons - Remember when they used to make fun of both liberals and conservatives? These days its all praise of liberals and all hate on conservatives, last year's viral video "West Wing Story" is their most disliked video on YouTube last I checked and for good reason, it's horrific. And getting rid of a classic episode like Stark Raving Dad because of Michael Jackson? BS. Hell, if you want proof YouTube film reviewer Chris Stuckmann revealed once in a review of a horror movie that came out last year that he had written a full length feature screenplay but was given one too many notes that it needed to include something politically and socially topical to become a better sell to a studio executive. Their story, as Stuckmann puts it, was praised for being original and smartly crafted, but that was just not enough to circulate enough want to purchase. And creatively, most original concepts are better developed through the independent marketplace, it is not as often as it used to be that a fresh new big budgeted blockbuster was presented to the public. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Jul 17, 2020 18:55:00 GMT
He was in the good Princess of Mars (2009).
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jul 17, 2020 18:56:18 GMT
Isn't Pure Flix bad enough?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 17, 2020 19:03:59 GMT
I love when nepotism babies talk about socialism.
Anyhow, he can go for it. I expect movies like and in the quality of God's Not Dead. Nothing wrong with a conservative movie (The Dark Knight, for example) but those made by has-beens with a chip on their shoulder and a martyr complex usually end up preachy and lame.
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 17, 2020 19:04:16 GMT
There's a perpetuating myth that "conservative" equals "patriot."
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Post by Ass_E9 on Jul 17, 2020 19:12:31 GMT
Immediately greenlights sequel to his late '90s actioner so he can guarantee his studio will deliver a Big Hit.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 17, 2020 19:20:15 GMT
"socialist's elites"  |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 17, 2020 19:32:14 GMT
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t entirely get this belief that simply being a conservative can get you blacklisted in Hollywood. It certainly hasn’t happened to Clint Eastwood, Adam Sandler or Michael Caine. Hell, the current Secretary of Treasury was heavily involved in WB films prior to Trump becoming President.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 17, 2020 19:53:15 GMT
I love when nepotism babies talk about socialism. Anyhow, he can go for it. I expect movies like and in the quality of God's Not Dead. Nothing wrong with a conservative movie (The Dark Knight, for example) but those made by has-beens with a chip on their shoulder and a martyr complex usually end up preachy and lame. Didn’t Christopher Nolan endorse Obama? He donated $2500 to Obama's campaign, which was about what I spent on my used 2004 Mustang in January. He also wouldn't be the first conservative to pick Obama over the likes of Romney and Palin (Dennis Hopper abd Susan Eisenhower come to mind), nor was Obama all that left wing anyway. Regardless, TDK (and really the whole trilogy) are right wing movies, whether intentionally or by accident - though I really doubt the latter. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 17, 2020 19:54:55 GMT
I love when nepotism babies talk about socialism. Anyhow, he can go for it. I expect movies like and in the quality of God's Not Dead. Nothing wrong with a conservative movie (The Dark Knight, for example) but those made by has-beens with a chip on their shoulder and a martyr complex usually end up preachy and lame. I don’t know if I’d describe TDK as a conservative movie. Yeah, the phone tapping thing could certainly be seen as an endorsement of the Patriot Act, but I was always under the impression that the movie avoided giving a black and white “this is perfectly okay” answer to that. Plus, the scene with the people on the ferries seemed to acknowledge that just because someone is a criminal, it doesn’t mean that they deserve to die, or that they’re irredeemable people. Frankly, the prisoner who throws the detonator away is actually more sympathetic than the businessman on the other boat. Plus, Armond White didn’t like the movie, so it can’t be that conservative. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 17, 2020 19:59:23 GMT
Didn’t Christopher Nolan endorse Obama? He donated $2500 to Obama's campaign, which was about what I spent on my used 2004 Mustang in January. He also wouldn't be the first conservative to pick Obama over the likes of Romney and Palin (Dennis Hopper abd Susan Eisenhower come to mind), nor was Obama all that left wing anyway. Regardless, TDK (and really the whole trilogy) are right wing movies, whether intentionally or by accident - though I really doubt the latter. He did show up to the 2017 Women’s March, so there’s that. I’m not saying he’s a socialist or anything, but there’s not really anything about his actions in real life that would suggest that he particularly aligns with conservative values. In terms of his Batman movies, if they come across as right wing, a large part of that is probably because the entire premise of a rich white guy who takes the law into his own hands is easy to view through a conservative lens. Of course, he’s also British, and politics over there are generally less black and white than they are in America. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 17, 2020 20:08:29 GMT
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t entirely get this belief that simply being a conservative can get you blacklisted in Hollywood. It certainly hasn’t happened to Clint Eastwood, Adam Sandler or Michael Caine. Hell, the current Secretary of Treasury was heavily involved in WB films prior to Trump becoming President. Well, in the case of Eastwood and Sir Caine they have a long history of being in the industry and have made and been in films which have earned plenty of profit and acclaim so they can get a pass. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 17, 2020 20:11:24 GMT
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t entirely get this belief that simply being a conservative can get you blacklisted in Hollywood. It certainly hasn’t happened to Clint Eastwood, Adam Sandler or Michael Caine. Hell, the current Secretary of Treasury was heavily involved in WB films prior to Trump becoming President. Well, in the case of Eastwood and Sir Caine they have a long history of being in the industry and have made and been in films which have earned plenty of profit and acclaim so they can get a pass. Most of the known conservatives in Hollywood are in fact people who have been in the industry for a long time. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 17, 2020 20:12:35 GMT
Well, in the case of Eastwood and Sir Caine they have a long history of being in the industry and have made and been in films which have earned plenty of profit and acclaim so they can get a pass. Most of the known conservatives in Hollywood are in fact people who have been in the industry for a long time. That is true, but Eastwood and Caine are still big enough draws. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 17, 2020 20:48:03 GMT
I love when nepotism babies talk about socialism. Anyhow, he can go for it. I expect movies like and in the quality of God's Not Dead. Nothing wrong with a conservative movie (The Dark Knight, for example) but those made by has-beens with a chip on their shoulder and a martyr complex usually end up preachy and lame. I don’t know if I’d describe TDK as a conservative movie. Yeah, the phone tapping thing could certainly be seen as an endorsement of the Patriot Act, but I was always under the impression that the movie avoided giving a black and white “this is perfectly okay” answer to that. Plus, the scene with the people on the ferries seemed to acknowledge that just because someone is a criminal, it doesn’t mean that they deserve to die, or that they’re irredeemable people. Frankly, the prisoner who throws the detonator away is actually more sympathetic than the businessman on the other boat. Plus, Armond White didn’t like the movie, so it can’t be that conservative. There's also the scene where Harvey Dent endorses fascism and Bruce immediately decides to throw him a fundraiser for it. In addition to the phone tapping, pretty much everything Batman does is allegorical to the War on Terror. He uses enhanced interrogation, illegally invades a country to get his man, and fights a guy who's referred to as a "terrorist" more often than usual and can't be negotiated with. The general message of those things (phone tapping included) seems to be "these are morally grey things, *but someone has to do them*". And yes, the idea of Batman is inherently pretty right wing already, but Nolan really leans into it. No one said Bane needed to use a faux-leftist movement to take over Gotham, for instance. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 17, 2020 21:04:53 GMT
I don’t know if I’d describe TDK as a conservative movie. Yeah, the phone tapping thing could certainly be seen as an endorsement of the Patriot Act, but I was always under the impression that the movie avoided giving a black and white “this is perfectly okay” answer to that. Plus, the scene with the people on the ferries seemed to acknowledge that just because someone is a criminal, it doesn’t mean that they deserve to die, or that they’re irredeemable people. Frankly, the prisoner who throws the detonator away is actually more sympathetic than the businessman on the other boat. Plus, Armond White didn’t like the movie, so it can’t be that conservative. There's also the scene where Harvey Dent endorses fascism and Bruce immediately decides to throw him a fundraiser for it. In addition to the phone tapping, pretty much everything Batman does is allegorical to the War on Terror. He uses enhanced interrogation, illegally invades a country to get his man, and fights a guy who's referred to as a "terrorist" more often than usual and can't be negotiated with. The general message of those things (phone tapping included) seems to be "these are morally grey things, *but someone has to do them*". And yes, the idea of Batman is inherently pretty right wing already, but Nolan really leans into it. No one said Bane needed to use a faux-leftist movement to take over Gotham, for instance. The Nolan Batman films aren’t exactly lacking in elements that could also be interpreted as left wing. A major theme in the first two films is about how corrupt the police force is. BB also states that the reason people like Joe Chill exist is because of the wealthy mob, as well the corrupt cops who help and enable them, and the movie also establishes that Thomas Wayne was attempting to use his resources to help the poor and unprivileged. As for TDKR, yeah, there is the fake revolution that Bane uses, but it’s worth pointing out that the movie also has a corrupt businessman, played by Ben Mendelsohn, as one of its antagonists, while Selina Kyle is portrayed as a poverty stricken woman who has less than favorable views of the 1%, but is nevertheless a good guy. Also, the ending of the movie does involve the rich guy’s home becoming an orphanage, so that’s at least something. I’m not saying the movies don’t have elements that could definitely be seen as right wing, but I don’t think they’re any more blatant than other superhero films in that regard. I mean, the MCU also has some right wing elements to them, but not many people seem to consider them to be conservative movies. Hell, FFH involves the teenage protagonist being given access to a mass surveillance program, and at no point is this framed as a bad thing, outside of that one goofy scene where Peter accidentally orders a drone strike. At least TDK has Lucius Fox acknowledging how messed up something like that is. |
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Post by spooner5020 on Jul 17, 2020 22:14:25 GMT
Since when is Caine a conservative? Also aren’t Vince Vaughn and Mel Gibson pretty conservative?
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Post by politicidal on Jul 17, 2020 22:30:17 GMT
Since when is Caine a conservative? From his wiki page: Caine has often been outspoken about his political views. He left the United Kingdom for the United States in the late-1970s, citing the income tax levied on top earners by the Labour government of James Callaghan, which then stood at 83%.[93] He lived in Beverly Hills during that time, but returned to the UK eight years later when taxes had been lowered by the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher: I realised that's not a socialist country, it's a communist country without a dictator, so I left and I was never going to come back. Maggie Thatcher came in and put the taxes back down and in the end, you know, you don't mind paying tax. What am I going to do? Not pay tax and drive around in a Rolls-Royce, with cripples begging on the street like you see in some countries?[94] Following the launch of his film Harry Brown in 2009, Caine called for the reintroduction of national service in the UK to give young people "a sense of belonging, rather than a sense of violence".[95] In 2009, Caine publicly criticised the Labour government of Gordon Brown for its new 50% income tax rate on top earners and threatened to return to the US if his taxes were increased further.[96] During the run up to the 2010 general election, Caine publicly endorsed the Conservative Party and appeared with then-party leader David Cameron for the launch of a civilian non-compulsory "National Service" for sixteen-year-olds, although Caine stated he had previously supported New Labour under the leadership of Tony Blair in 1997.[97] In July 2014, Caine was reported to have been a celebrity investor in a tax avoidance scheme called Liberty.[98] In November 2014, Caine described the proposed mansion tax by then Labour leader Ed Miliband as "preposterous and silly."[99] Caine voted in favour of Brexit in the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, stating he would rather be a "poor master than a rich servant".[100] He said he was a reluctant Leaver; "I don't know what to vote for. Both are scary. To me, you've now got in Europe a sort of government-by-proxy of everybody, who has now got carried away. Unless there is some extremely significant changes, we should get out."[101] |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 17, 2020 22:52:13 GMT
Since when is Caine a conservative? Also aren’t Vince Vaughn and Mel Gibson pretty conservative? They are, you don't see too much of Vaughn these days but Gibson is still able to get hired for some pretty A list projects in directing, acting most output is DTV or streaming or limited release. |
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Post by spooner5020 on Jul 17, 2020 23:11:41 GMT
Since when is Caine a conservative? Also aren’t Vince Vaughn and Mel Gibson pretty conservative? They are, you don't see too much of Vaughn these days but Gibson is still able to get hired for some pretty A list projects in directing, acting most output is DTV or streaming or limited release. I’d like to believe they were just tired of being in shitty movies. |
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