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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 14, 2020 21:55:14 GMT
Outside of the Netflix shows, the only hero in the MCU who ever had anything resembling a secret identity was Spider-Man, and that’s presumably been thrown out the window at this point. Despite clearly being a comic book fan, Kevin Feige doesn’t seem to care for the idea of superheroes having secret identities.
My question is, what’s the general consensus here regarding that? If I recall, the ending of IM1 was somewhat controversial among certain online circles back in the day.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 15, 2020 9:39:41 GMT
If I recall, the ending of IM1 was somewhat controversial among certain online circles back in the day. It was VERY controversial and pissed off TONS of fans back in the original IMDB days. I still think the idea of a secret identity for a superhero is cool.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 15, 2020 14:23:39 GMT
If I recall, the ending of IM1 was somewhat controversial among certain online circles back in the day. It was VERY controversial and pissed off TONS of fans back in the original IMDB days. I still think the idea of a secret identity for a superhero is cool. It adds too much to a story that doesn't really need to be there. Scarlet Witch's face is revealed while she is in costume, but then you have her standing with Stark or Rogers. This big guy is obviously Captain America. You'd have to jump through a lot of hoops to make it believable that people don't know who they are. With Stark the idea is that Iron Man is his bodyguard, but why isn't he ever being his bodyguard? They are never in the same place together. People would notice if he's always on his phone piloting it remotely. Put someone else in the suit, but then what's the point of Tony being Iron Man?
Secret identities only makes sense if the superhero side is trying to be secret or if the world is more fantasy than science (DC). Netflix is mentioned, but the only secret ID there is Daredevil.
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Post by dazz on Aug 16, 2020 4:01:06 GMT
It was VERY controversial and pissed off TONS of fans back in the original IMDB days. I still think the idea of a secret identity for a superhero is cool. It adds too much to a story that doesn't really need to be there. Scarlet Witch's face is revealed while she is in costume, but then you have her standing with Stark or Rogers. This big guy is obviously Captain America. You'd have to jump through a lot of hoops to make it believable that people don't know who they are. With Stark the idea is that Iron Man is his bodyguard, but why isn't he ever being his bodyguard? They are never in the same place together. People would notice if he's always on his phone piloting it remotely. Put someone else in the suit, but then what's the point of Tony being Iron Man?
Secret identities only makes sense if the superhero side is trying to be secret or if the world is more fantasy than science (DC). Netflix is mentioned, but the only secret ID there is Daredevil.
Also look at who these people are the only ones who need a secret identity are Spidey, Ant-Man and Wasp & Hawkeye, Strange has no need for a secret identity, neither does Iron Man, Cap, War Machine, Hulk, Bucky, Widow, Wanda, T'Challa, GOTG, Captain Marvel or Thor they all are either already public figures or they don't have anything a secret identity is meant to be used to protect, but Spidey does and so he did, Hawkeye has his personal life kept off the record and lives out in the sticks, and Scott tried to have a secret identity which got blown up when he was caught aiding Cap and Bucky. The thing is the a little played out, it can work with the right story, but as a trope of the genre it's a little played out for now, give it time though it'll bounce back.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 16, 2020 4:59:31 GMT
secret identity works better for tv shows, but mcu has addressed it poorly , could have been a good storyline
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 16, 2020 23:48:07 GMT
I prefer when they have secret identities.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 17, 2020 0:03:30 GMT
I prefer when they have secret identities. Yeah I like the idea of Clark and Superman being different people. Bruce and Batman, Peter and Spider-Man. Superheoes are kinda pesonas of normal people and shows that we're all capable of being better than what we are. When you get rid of secret identities, you kinda smudge the two characters together in ways that don't always work as well as they could in my opinion.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 17, 2020 0:51:25 GMT
I thought it was hilarious and fit with his character. Other ones like Falcon or Spider-Man, it makes more sense for them to have secret identities. Of course, Far From Home wastes its most tantalizing plot development for a post-credits scene.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 17, 2020 19:53:04 GMT
It adds too much to a story that doesn't really need to be there. Scarlet Witch's face is revealed while she is in costume, but then you have her standing with Stark or Rogers. This big guy is obviously Captain America. You'd have to jump through a lot of hoops to make it believable that people don't know who they are. With Stark the idea is that Iron Man is his bodyguard, but why isn't he ever being his bodyguard? They are never in the same place together. People would notice if he's always on his phone piloting it remotely. Put someone else in the suit, but then what's the point of Tony being Iron Man?
Secret identities only makes sense if the superhero side is trying to be secret or if the world is more fantasy than science (DC). Netflix is mentioned, but the only secret ID there is Daredevil.
Also look at who these people are the only ones who need a secret identity are Spidey, Ant-Man and Wasp & Hawkeye, Strange has no need for a secret identity, neither does Iron Man, Cap, War Machine, Hulk, Bucky, Widow, Wanda, T'Challa, GOTG, Captain Marvel or Thor they all are either already public figures or they don't have anything a secret identity is meant to be used to protect, but Spidey does and so he did, Hawkeye has his personal life kept off the record and lives out in the sticks, and Scott tried to have a secret identity which got blown up when he was caught aiding Cap and Bucky. The thing is the a little played out, it can work with the right story, but as a trope of the genre it's a little played out for now, give it time though it'll bounce back. Even with Ant-man and Wasp (2nd gen) they are mostly part-timers. They put on their suits for a specific reason then get out until the next reason comes up. Banner kinda needs a secret ID since Hulk is a monster and is feared sometimes. Prof. Hulk kinda kills it for the secret ID since he goes by Banner.
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Post by shannondegroot on Aug 17, 2020 19:55:12 GMT
Outside of the Netflix shows, the only hero in the MCU who ever had anything resembling a secret identity was Spider-Man, and that’s presumably been thrown out the window at this point. Despite clearly being a comic book fan, Kevin Feige doesn’t seem to care for the idea of superheroes having secret identities. My question is, what’s the general consensus here regarding that? If I recall, the ending of IM1 was somewhat controversial among certain online circles back in the day. It's better to have secret identities. Not having one makes a working superhero hero look dumb.
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 17, 2020 21:15:11 GMT
Secret identities work for some superheroes and doesn't work for others. What made the MCU set apart from the other superhero movies was the lack of secret identities. Tony Stark revealing he's Iron Man was pretty much in character. Thor is Thor. Spider-Man and Daredevil work best with secret identities.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 17, 2020 21:30:46 GMT
Outside of the Netflix shows, the only hero in the MCU who ever had anything resembling a secret identity was Spider-Man, and that’s presumably been thrown out the window at this point. Despite clearly being a comic book fan, Kevin Feige doesn’t seem to care for the idea of superheroes having secret identities. My question is, what’s the general consensus here regarding that? If I recall, the ending of IM1 was somewhat controversial among certain online circles back in the day. It's better to have secret identities. Not having one makes a working superhero hero look dumb. Yeah, but he Avengers are public and/or government figures. They were the only Earth based heroes in the MCU until Spider-man. There are no everyman heroes that'd need a secret ID besides him... yet.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 17, 2020 21:34:40 GMT
Secret identities work for some superheroes and doesn't work for others. What made the MCU set apart from the other superhero movies was the lack of secret identities. Tony Stark revealing he's Iron Man was pretty much in character. Thor is Thor. Spider-Man and Daredevil work best with secret identities. I think Spider-man and Daredevil might be the only ones that'd actually need their secret ID to function. Matt Murdock as a lawyer is a major part of the character. Parker is just a nobody that doesn't have the resources to keep his family safe from his enemies.
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Post by shannondegroot on Aug 17, 2020 22:11:22 GMT
Secret identities work for some superheroes and doesn't work for others. What made the MCU set apart from the other superhero movies was the lack of secret identities. Tony Stark revealing he's Iron Man was pretty much in character. Thor is Thor. Spider-Man and Daredevil work best with secret identities. I think Spider-man and Daredevil might be the only ones that'd actually need their secret ID to function. Matt Murdock as a lawyer is a major part of the character. Parker is just a nobody that doesn't have the resources to keep his family safe from his enemies. They still have loved ones.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 17, 2020 23:22:19 GMT
Secret identities work for some superheroes and doesn't work for others. What made the MCU set apart from the other superhero movies was the lack of secret identities. Tony Stark revealing he's Iron Man was pretty much in character. Thor is Thor. Spider-Man and Daredevil work best with secret identities. Well, Spider-Man apparently won’t have one moving forward. It’ll be interesting to see where they go with that.
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 18, 2020 1:44:14 GMT
Secret identities work for some superheroes and doesn't work for others. What made the MCU set apart from the other superhero movies was the lack of secret identities. Tony Stark revealing he's Iron Man was pretty much in character. Thor is Thor. Spider-Man and Daredevil work best with secret identities. Well, Spider-Man apparently won’t have one moving forward. It’ll be interesting to see where they go with that. Yeah, I'm curious where Marvel is going after that cliff hanger.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 18, 2020 10:50:30 GMT
Secret identities would never work in today's technological age. The MCU was smart to get rid of it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 18, 2020 19:29:52 GMT
I think Spider-man and Daredevil might be the only ones that'd actually need their secret ID to function. Matt Murdock as a lawyer is a major part of the character. Parker is just a nobody that doesn't have the resources to keep his family safe from his enemies. They still have loved ones. That's what I mean about Parker. He has loved ones that he doesn't have the resources to protect. Tony has the resources to protect Pepper (even building her her own suit).
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Post by shannondegroot on Aug 18, 2020 19:37:23 GMT
They still have loved ones. That's what I mean about Parker. He has loved ones that he doesn't have the resources to protect. Tony has the resources to protect Pepper (even building her her own suit). I suppose. But I do not see her wearing the suit all the time.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 18, 2020 19:45:23 GMT
That's what I mean about Parker. He has loved ones that he doesn't have the resources to protect. Tony has the resources to protect Pepper (even building her her own suit). I suppose. But I do not see her wearing the suit all the time. If it's nano like his then she can wear it all the time and it could just pop up when she wants it to.
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