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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 15, 2020 17:29:56 GMT
Let’s talk about franchise killers. Movies that have been made that affect a franchise in such a way, that the franchise will never reach the heights of its successful predecessors, and that all that can be churned out are knock offs of that franchise, that are designed to make money, milk the sacred cow until it’s skinny and generally annoy fans.
For example Alien 3. Now, Alien 3 (1992) is alright as a horror movie and it gives a conclusion to the franchise. However, the Alien franchise was very lucrative and resurrected with - Alien Resurrection (1997) which was tonally not the same as the originals and a little bit silly compared to them.
There was several ideas kicking around for Alien 3, there was one which involved Hicks as a main character, which perhaps could have given the franchise a much smoother runway for producing sequels, and other other ideas for a serious film.
Alien 3 became a stumbling block for making a sequel. In the 90's there was talks of making Alien 3 a dream and more recently Neill Blomkamp’s cancelled Alien 5 which was going to ignore Alien 3 and carry on from Aliens - silly ideas. In the end we got Alien Resurrection.
If Alien 3 killed the franchise, Alien Resurrection dug up the corpse and killed it again. So, yeah, Alien 3 was the beginning of the end of the Alien franchise, and Alien Resurrection was the franchise getting silly and selling out because of Alien 3. If they planned on making more movies they should not have killed Ripley the way they did or they should have followed a different set of characters instead, or attempted to make a sequel to Resurrection. If it was not about the money, they should have left it concluded at Aliens (1986) which would have been a perfect ending.
Then you have A v P and Prometheus.
Any other ideas of notable examples of franchise killers?
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 15, 2020 17:38:20 GMT
The theatrical version of Alien 3 may have killed the franchise either way, but it seems to me it was meant to be the last film in the franchise.
Batman & Robin
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
Halloween: Resurrection
Spider-Man 3
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Post by politicidal on Aug 15, 2020 17:57:44 GMT
Terminator: Dark Fate
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 15, 2020 18:01:54 GMT
I'd say they have been trying to bring a corpse back to life with each sequel after T3. By all means, Terminator Genisys should have killed the franchise permanently. Please Hollywood, show mercy to this franchise.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 15, 2020 18:02:28 GMT
I think that film might’ve at least done better if it hadn’t come out a mere four years after the previous failed attempt at reinventing the franchise.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 15, 2020 18:03:14 GMT
I'd say they have been trying to bring a corpse back to life with each sequel after T3. By all means, Terminator Genisys should have killed the franchise permanently. Please Hollywood, show mercy to this franchise. Well, that the one that was an unquestionable box office flop right? I guess it’s dead now. Then again it may get a sequel on Netflix. |
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 15, 2020 18:05:07 GMT
I'd say they have been trying to bring a corpse back to life with each sequel after T3. By all means, Terminator Genisys should have killed the franchise permanently. Please Hollywood, show mercy to this franchise. Well, that the one that was an unquestionable box office flop right? I guess it’s dead now. Then again it may get a sequel on Netflix. I'm not sure.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 15, 2020 18:13:43 GMT
It's kind of hard to say a film is a "franchise killer" because generally a franchise will never truly end as long as it makes money. There will always be another film waiting in the wings to be made even if the previous film was a big flop.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 15, 2020 18:15:19 GMT
It would have been good if they left it at 2, that would have been a perfect ending. T3 was ok. I've not seen the others. I can't bring myself to watch Genisys! It looks so cartoonish compared to its predecessors. I'm not too excited about Dark fate, but I'll give it a watch out curiosity.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 15, 2020 18:16:48 GMT
It would have been good if they left it at 2, that would have been a perfect ending. T3 was ok. I've not seen the others. I can't bring myself to watch Genisys! It looks so cartoonish compared to its predecessors. I'm not too excited about Dark fate, but I'll give it a watch out curiosity. Saw Genisys. It’s bad, but it’s more on the forgettable side. Don’t care about seeing Dark Fate in the slightest. |
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 15, 2020 18:20:41 GMT
It's kind of hard to say a film is a "franchise killer" because generally a franchise will never truly end as long as it makes money. There will always be another film waiting in the wings to be made even if the previous film was a big flop. You know what I mean - a film that affects the integrity of a franchise. The franchise name carries on in the pursuit of making money rather than art when there was a point where they should have left the franchise behind.
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Post by James on Aug 15, 2020 18:26:13 GMT
Jaws: The Revenge is a big one. There hasn't been a film in this series for over 30 years and that says something about this movie.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 15, 2020 18:27:07 GMT
Divergent: Allegiant
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 15, 2020 18:27:56 GMT
Alien Covenant
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 15, 2020 21:40:39 GMT
Back to the Future Part III
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 15, 2020 23:05:02 GMT
Back to the Future Part III Back to the Future part 3 i wouldn't call a franchise killer. It concluded the series good enough It is not considered a bad movie. There has been no spin offs, reboots, sequels made since that compromise the integrity of the series. It's a perfect trilogy, that has not been compromised and provides a satisfactory conclusion. There has to be some kind of serious decline in a film franchise for a franchise killer to get identified.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 15, 2020 23:31:28 GMT
The Back to the Future franchise was never “killed”, it simply ended. The reason there hasn’t been a new film since the third one is because Robert Zemeckis has fought against that.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 15, 2020 23:39:27 GMT
Jaws: The Revenge is a big one. There hasn't been a film in this series for over 30 years and that says something about this movie. It was a terrible movie, yes. But I just get the feeling that there wouldn't have been more Jaws movies regardless of how The Revenge turned out.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 15, 2020 23:49:59 GMT
Jaws: The Revenge is a big one. There hasn't been a film in this series for over 30 years and that says something about this movie. It was a terrible movie, yes. But I just get the feeling that there wouldn't have been more Jaws movies regardless of how The Revenge turned out. It was probably the combination of Jaws 3d and Jaws the revenge that killed it. Both movies are in the IMDB bottom 150 .
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 16, 2020 0:21:13 GMT
RoboCop 3
Captain Marvel
Dark Phoenix
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